criminals and experimental drugs tests

Dr Cheese · Post by **Dr Cheese** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:13 pm

should we have compulsory drug testing on people who are serving life imprisonment ?

should they be forced to donate bone marrow and blood ?

would this be a way them to give somthing back to the society that they have taken from and that is paying for there food and lodging

for criminals who are in for lesser offenses should we allow them to volenteer for drugs tests and blood/marrow donation in order to get them lesser senbtances or perks while they are there

(by drugs testing i mean testing experimental drugs on them not just finding out if they have smoked pot in the last 6 months)

it's become a bit of a hot topic over here since a couple of students went into a coma during a drugs test

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:17 pm

Eh, I say use em as Jersey barriers, easier on the paint.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:23 pm

I dont think it should be forced on anyone but in lieu of extra personal time, visitation times, less work details for a limited time..Im sure thats doable for the lifers.

I don't think that violent crminals should be given any kind of time off for volunteering for such a thing.

I also think that the companies doing the testing should have to donate to a charity in lieu of getting a free volunteer. In no way should they be let off the hook financially.

Pie

Dr Cheese · Post by **Dr Cheese** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:25 pm

thepieman wrote: I also think that the companies doing the testing should have to donate to a charity in lieu of getting a free volunteer. In no way should they be let off the hook financially.

Pie

personaly i think that the drugs companies should pay the prison systems and relieve the tax burden

this would make the prison system a little more self financing

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:26 pm

That would be sheer barbarism, regardless of how heinous the crime they committed was. NO one should be forced to participate in tests nor forced to give marrow or blood.

More intensive hard labor and less "down" time is a far better solution...and I mean breaking rocks, not stabbing trash on the highway.

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:28 pm

"Cruel and unusual" will be on the lips of every activist in the country. Won't fly in my worthless opinion.

Lefty · Post by **Lefty** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:30 pm

Burke wrote:That would be sheer barbarism, regardless of how heinous the crime they committed was. NO one should be forced to participate in tests nor forced to give marrow or blood.

More intensive hard labor and less "down" time is a far better solution...and I mean breaking rocks, not stabbing trash on the highway.

I agree, I also think they should have to earn tv and no net access unless researching law in defense of your case. These country clubs they are sending criminals to are bull****.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:34 pm

Dr Cheese wrote:personaly i think that the drugs companies should pay the prison systems and relieve the tax burden

this would make the prison system a little more self financing

Well in the case of the lesser criminal...if you gave them a lesser sentence it would already decrease the tax burden since they won't have to keep them as long as they normally would.

In the case of the lifer where the experiments more risky, yes that would be feasible or possibly proceeds go to the victims.

Pie

Dr Cheese · Post by **Dr Cheese** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:40 pm

Burke wrote:That would be sheer barbarism, regardless of how heinous the crime they committed was. NO one should be forced to participate in tests nor forced to give marrow or blood.

More intensive hard labor and less "down" time is a far better solution...and I mean breaking rocks, not stabbing trash on the highway.

why ?

these are people who forced themselves on others for pleasure or murdered for gain

why shouldn't society benefit a little from there crimes by using them to test experimental drugs ?

it would be reletivley safe (well as safe as it is for students who are doing it at the moment ) and so wouldn't inconvinience them too much

also prison would be a great controled enviroment in which to conduct these experiments

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:48 pm

Dr Cheese wrote:why ?

these are people who forced themselves on others for pleasure or murdered for gain

why shouldn't society benefit a little from there crimes by using them to test experimental drugs ?

it would be reletivley safe (well as safe as it is for students who are doing it at the moment ) and so wouldn't inconvinience them too much

also prison would be a great controled enviroment in which to conduct these experiments

It would be like we were stooping to their level. Forcing ourselves for profit or gain. That would be like torture if its not something you asked for. Better off to kill them quick instead. The idea would be to allow them to repay their debt if they are remorseful and to help others. Imagine yourself being strapped down over and over and injected with stuff like those 6 guys on a constant basis. I'd kill anyone tht came near me. He'd be worse off after coming in then when he was out committing crimes.

Dr Cheese · Post by **Dr Cheese** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:53 pm

thepieman wrote:It would be like we were stooping to their level. Forcing ourselves for profit or gain. That would be like torture if its not something you asked for. Better off to kill them quick instead. The idea would be to allow them to repay their debt if they are remorseful and to help others. Imagine yourself being strapped down over and over and injected with stuff like those 6 guys on a constant basis. I'd kill anyone tht came near me. He'd be worse off after coming in then when he was out committing crimes.

if you see a cure for cancer as profit or gain then yes i suppose it would

however i personaly think that a drug that could save millions is worth a little discomfort for a few child rapists

as for them been worse comming out then they were going in the hole point of this is to use it on lifers who arn't getting out

people who have commited petty crimes could have a choice and gain some benefits from the system but people who's crimes were so bad that they have been given life sentances should just be used to try and benefit socity while they can rather than simply sitting around watching TV all day at our expense

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:53 pm

Dr Cheese wrote:why ?

these are people who forced themselves on others for pleasure or murdered for gain

why shouldn't society benefit a little from there crimes by using them to test experimental drugs ?

it would be reletivley safe (well as safe as it is for students who are doing it at the moment ) and so wouldn't inconvinience them too much

also prison would be a great controled enviroment in which to conduct these experiments

Right on, Dr. Mengele.

ghettoside · Post by **ghettoside** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:25 pm

Lefty wrote:I agree, I also think they should have to earn tv and no net access unless researching law in defense of your case. These country clubs they are sending criminals to are bull****.

Ahem...

The criminals who go to so called country clubs are the corrupt politicians (example: Betty Loren Maltese- former Cicero IL Mayor) and the Martha Stewarts. In the federal pens. The PC (Protective Custody) camps.
Take it up with your Congressman Lefty, just don't hold your breath waiting for changes.

The typical offender doesn't go to a country club. That's reserved for the bourgeois. The typical offender, and the typical federal pen, is not a country club. Very common to face death in those pens at the hands of other inmates. Guards get killed too.

And although by law, inmates are entitled to research law for their cases, in practice it doesn't always happen. And there isn't sh*t inmates can do about it. Let alone have access to the internet.

I know what I'm talking about. This thread touched a nerve for me. I wish I didn't feel like crap today so could I devote some time to it. I saw a couple other threads in software I'd rather be helping out on.

yeah, no one should be forced to give blood, marrow, or even spit. next thing ya know we'll have another China on our hands here, killing the inmates and selling their body parts for organ transplants.
And no one should be forced to participate in experiments. Utterly barbaric isn't strong enough language for that.
Society locks poeple away to punish, but mainly to protect society. Because we are civilized. Forcing experiments on inmates is not civilized.

The college kids who were hurt by experimental drug testing chose to participate in that testing. Any idiot knows experimental drug testing is dangerous.
I'm not even going to quote YoS here, I don't have to.
There's a big difference between willing and unwilling participation in experimental drug testing.

And I couldn't agree more with Pie. If someone started sticking needles in me, they'd have to kill me, because I would surely kill them at the first opportunity.

I'm going back to my sick bed.

ghettoside · Post by **ghettoside** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:26 pm

Dr Cheese wrote:if you see a cure for cancer as profit or gain then yes i suppose it would

however i personaly think that a drug that could save millions is worth a little discomfort for a few child rapists

as for them been worse comming out then they were going in the hole point of this is to use it on lifers who arn't getting out

people who have commited petty crimes could have a choice and gain some benefits from the system but people who's crimes were so bad that they have been given life sentances should just be used to try and benefit socity while they can rather than simply sitting around watching TV all day at our expense

read the quote in my signature.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:29 pm

i am all for it but only for the child molesters and murderers

screw them let them suffer we are way too easy on criminals nowadays

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:12 pm

Dr Cheese wrote:if you see a cure for cancer as profit or gain then yes i suppose it would

however i personaly think that a drug that could save millions is worth a little discomfort for a few child rapists

as for them been worse comming out then they were going in the hole point of this is to use it on lifers who arn't getting out

people who have commited petty crimes could have a choice and gain some benefits from the system but people who's crimes were so bad that they have been given life sentances should just be used to try and benefit socity while they can rather than simply sitting around watching TV all day at our expense

The whole idea behind being in prison is for reform. Wether its life or not. If not then they should just be killed right off the bat if its not for reform. Should a person who's in jail for killing their parents because they were totally abusing, or raping them be submitted to even more torture for the rest of their lives for the sake of finding cures? Im not trying to make an excuse for them but there are people out there like that. Even some of these people that are victims of these criminals can grow up to be wackos...so should they all suffer as well for their minds being messed up later too? At least in the act of volunteering they may be showing they are still part of humanity and that they are at least trying to atone in some way.
When I was talking about going in and coming out worse, I simply meant that if they went in a murderer of 1 , they can still turn out worse in jail by killing doctors, nurses, Correction officers, other inmates or anyone they come in contact with while in jail. Not only would it be more dangerous but it would be more costly since he'd probably have to be under observation constantly, groups of CO's just to subdue him each time he has to come or go,riot gear, sedation, etc etc.

Pie

Dr Cheese · Post by **Dr Cheese** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:22 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:i am all for it but only for the child molesters and murderers

screw them let them suffer we are way too easy on criminals nowadays

it's not realy about making people suffer

it's about getting some form of use out of people that we have simply loked up and forgotten about

why should we pay to keep a child molester in prison when he could pay for it himself testing out experimental drugs

hell the cahs that they normaly give to students for pot noodles and beer could even be used on more prisons to releave the overcrowding problems that inmates face so it would benefit them a little as well as the rest of society

i personaly can see no downside to useing a convicted peadophile or a murderer to test experimental drugs on instead of using students

they have taken away sombodies civil liberties in a most violent and evil way which has hurt not only the victim and the victims family and freinds but also there own family and i can't see how taking away there right to say no to what is after all supposed to be a reasonably safe drugs test is sinking down to there level

i'm not talking organ donation here i'm not talking about giving inmates a fatel illness and then testing drugs

ii'm talking about testing drugs that have been deemed safe for side affects

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:28 pm

Dr Cheese wrote: i'm not talking organ donation here i'm not talking about giving inmates a fatel illness and then testing drugs

ii'm talking about testing drugs that have been deemed safe for side affects

Well whats to stop from taking their organs as well...why not if they are healthy? If you are going to treat them like non-humans might as well go 100% and just take them apart piece by piece. If you are going to allow 1 step then whats to keep the next step from happening? They take, we take...whats the difference between them and us after that? We would be no different.

Dr Cheese · Post by **Dr Cheese** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:38 pm

thepieman wrote:Well whats to stop from taking their organs as well...why not if they are healthy? If you are going to treat them like non-humans might as well go 100% and just take them apart piece by piece. If you are going to allow 1 step then whats to keep the next step from happening? They take, we take...whats the difference between them and us after that? We would be no different.

if your going on like that then what's the point of putting them in cages like animals

it violates there human rights

if we are going to do that why not simply kill them all ..... oh wait it's because we have the ability to reason between what's a reasonable course of action
eg taking a pint of blood

and what is an unreasonable action
eg harvesting there organs

it's a case of knowing where to stop

like having CCTV in public places dosn't instantly mean we are going to be forced to have them in our homes

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:39 pm

It would make good use of the criminals serving life sentences.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:13 pm

Dr Cheese wrote:if your going on like that then what's the point of putting them in cages like animals

it violates there human rights

Not when they are fed 3 times a day and cared for when they are sick..not at all. They are criminals.

if we are going to do that why not simply kill them all ..... oh wait it's because we have the ability to reason between what's a reasonable course of action
eg taking a pint of blood

and what is an unreasonable action
eg harvesting there organs

it's a case of knowing where to stop

like having CCTV in public places dosn't instantly mean we are going to be forced to have them in our homes

Well listen, if you can put yourself in their shoes, and you are in for life for your crime , can't see family, can't move around freely, can't make phone calls, watch TV, surrounded by criminals and cops till the day you die, would you want someone to come in, strap you to a gurney and just start pumping chemicals into you that could possibly blow your head up to 3X its normal size and place you into a coma? Thats torture man. Not knowing wether you will be alive the next day or in a hospital bed. At least a death sentence is finite and you get a last meal and you get to spend your final moments with your family and a priest or minister.

As far as the CCD's go, well thats not something that will take place immediately but you never know man, if they say it curtails terrorism so well, they may take it a step further in the future and say well we can nip it in the bud before it even reaches the public. These things work in steps but thats a whole other story.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:50 pm

Dr Cheese wrote:it's not realy about making people suffer

it's about getting some form of use out of people that we have simply loked up and forgotten about

why should we pay to keep a child molester in prison when he could pay for it himself testing out experimental drugs

hell the cahs that they normaly give to students for pot noodles and beer could even be used on more prisons to releave the overcrowding problems that inmates face so it would benefit them a little as well as the rest of society

i personaly can see no downside to useing a convicted peadophile or a murderer to test experimental drugs on instead of using students

they have taken away sombodies civil liberties in a most violent and evil way which has hurt not only the victim and the victims family and freinds but also there own family and i can't see how taking away there right to say no to what is after all supposed to be a reasonably safe drugs test is sinking down to there level

i'm not talking organ donation here i'm not talking about giving inmates a fatel illness and then testing drugs

ii'm talking about testing drugs that have been deemed safe for side affects

what i am saying it servers two purposes it helps out the drug industry and it punishes the criminals

Unholy · Post by **Unholy** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:09 pm

That's not a punishment, people in prison would kill or sell b*tches for some cigs and drugs.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:10 pm

Unholy wrote:That's not a punishment, people in prison would kill or sell b*tches for some cigs and drugs.

yeah that true

Dr Cheese · Post by **Dr Cheese** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:50 am

thepieman wrote:Not when they are fed 3 times a day and cared for when they are sick..not at all. They are criminals.

there are people out there who have commited no crimes who don't have this
so surely we should be concentrating on careing for people who haven't commited seriouse crimes such as rape or murder ?

thepieman wrote: Well listen, if you can put yourself in their shoes, and you are in for life for your crime , can't see family, can't move around freely, can't make phone calls, watch TV, surrounded by criminals and cops till the day you die, would you want someone to come in, strap you to a gurney and just start pumping chemicals into you that could possibly blow your head up to 3X its normal size and place you into a coma? Thats torture man. Not knowing wether you will be alive the next day or in a hospital bed. At least a death sentence is finite and you get a last meal and you get to spend your final moments with your family and a priest or minister.

i just can't bring myself to feel sorry for sombody who has raped and killed a child

oh shucks they may wake up with an itchy rash due to the testing what a shame

oh dear for about 20 min they will be a touch uncomfortable while they donate blood which will save a life

hell even they will spend half an hour of pain every couple of years while they donate bone marrow what a tragedy ... i tell you what we'll let them have extra visitation rights when they do this one because it's a tad uncomfortable and this will benefit the prisoner and his / her family

these people have taken from society in a most terrible way

they have brutaly violated sombody elses rights and destroyed the lives of several people in the process

they should be made to give somthing back in order to make amends

not to simply punish to to even up the balance

thepieman wrote:
As far as the CCD's go, well thats not something that will take place immediately but you never know man, if they say it curtails terrorism so well, they may take it a step further in the future and say well we can nip it in the bud before it even reaches the public. These things work in steps but thats a whole other story.

not while i have breath in my body it won't

a man should have the right to whack off without the goverment watching him

Lefty · Post by **Lefty** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:07 am

ghettoside wrote:Ahem...

The criminals who go to so called country clubs are the corrupt politicians (example: Betty Loren Maltese- former Cicero IL Mayor) and the Martha Stewarts. In the federal pens. The PC (Protective Custody) camps.
Take it up with your Congressman Lefty, just don't hold your breath waiting for changes.

The typical offender doesn't go to a country club. That's reserved for the bourgeois. The typical offender, and the typical federal pen, is not a country club. Very common to face death in those pens at the hands of other inmates. Guards get killed too.

And although by law, inmates are entitled to research law for their cases, in practice it doesn't always happen. And there isn't sh*t inmates can do about it. Let alone have access to the internet.

I know what I'm talking about. This thread touched a nerve for me. I wish I didn't feel like crap today so could I devote some time to it. I saw a couple other threads in software I'd rather be helping out on.

yeah, no one should be forced to give blood, marrow, or even spit. next thing ya know we'll have another China on our hands here, killing the inmates and selling their body parts for organ transplants.
And no one should be forced to participate in experiments. Utterly barbaric isn't strong enough language for that.
Society locks poeple away to punish, but mainly to protect society. Because we are civilized. Forcing experiments on inmates is not civilized.

The college kids who were hurt by experimental drug testing chose to participate in that testing. Any idiot knows experimental drug testing is dangerous.
I'm not even going to quote YoS here, I don't have to.
There's a big difference between willing and unwilling participation in experimental drug testing.

And I couldn't agree more with Pie. If someone started sticking needles in me, they'd have to kill me, because I would surely kill them at the first opportunity.

I'm going back to my sick bed.

I think you missed my point, any jail with cable tv, and internet is a country club. Get those mf's out doing some work and punish them for thier crimes. Dont just house them for a few years and let them go.

ghettoside · Post by **ghettoside** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:36 pm

Lefty wrote:I think you missed my point, any jail with cable tv, and internet is a country club. Get those mf's out doing some work and punish them for thier crimes. Dont just house them for a few years and let them go.

how many jails do you think there are that have cable and internet?
not too many bro. that's reserved for the bourgeois.
what do you think, prisoners just lay around, watch tv and eat like a king?
maybe some have cable tv, but mostly those jails and joints that have a "day room" tv, the tv's are controlled by the guards. they aren't watching hbo or cinemax.
most of the prisons in IL don't allow inmates to have their own tv's (if any). and the majority of the county jails are on 24/7 lockdown. no tv, stay in your cage and look at the walls. no libraries either. just count the cockroaches, and when your celly flips out from it and tries to kill ya, you better be sleeping with one eye open or you could be dead.

you don't think that's punishment? on top of eating bologna sandwiches for breakfast, lunch and supper? fighting for your nickel valued artificial juice? fighting for your one lousy oatmeal cookie? getting shanked just for the h*ll of it? being locked up isn't punishment?

when you said country club that implied to me a PC camp.

most states use inmates to perform the labor involved in running the facility.

you should try standing in an assembly line food service at a county jail for an 8 hour shift...it's not easy nor fun. serve up 11,000 spoons of slop non-stop, no pissing, no going for a drink of water...

or staring at the walls 24/7 in your cell smelling your celly's farts ain't a picnic either.

many of the jails & joints don't have any rehabilitative programming- just lock em up, collect the federal subsidy per prisoner, and release 'em so they can come back again and support the system...the guards gotta make a living.

I believe if you ever see the inside of one you'll feel differently. it isn't a vacation. unless you like all of the above and sleeping with one eye open...

that post of mine wasn't all directed at you bro, nor is this one.

as for the child molesters and rapists...they don't do too well in any joint. There is a name for them: "treejumper".
they get beat all the time. they get mf's going up in their as*ses...they get shanked...nobody likes them. and if your hooked up, like i was, when a hit is ordered on one of those treejumpers, you either make the hit or you die too. if ya get caught after or during the hit, then you fry...but you do get vip status...for whatever that's worth. and if ya try snitching, that it was ordered...you're gonna die for sure...
just a few facts for the uninformed.

it's easy for folks who've never even seen the inside of a jail to say "oh, we're too easy on criminals, they have it sooo good."
such folks would be sh*tting bricks if they ever ended up in jail. i've seen it...seen their terror filled eyes...guys who thought they'd never go to jail for a drunk driving ticket...seen 'em cry like b*tches...

i dunno what tv exposes some of you folks have been watching, but jail/prison is no country club.

I don't like rapists and molesters either. I'd just as soon smoke one as look at 'em. But i sure as h*ll wouldn't torture one.

and how about this: there was quite a big issue several years ago in IL, seems the Land of Lincoln had a lot of innocent men on death row, convicted by overzealous prosecutors and false testimony by cops...IL ended the death sentence here because there were finding too many innocent men, some had served 10-20 years before being exonerated.

So what about an innocent man locked up for murder? what do you say if after subjecting him to experiments, he's found to have been wrongly convicted by BS? oh, sorry we used you for a guinea pig and tortured you, we just didn't give a crap, we didn't think, because our justice system is flawless, no innocent man ever gets convicted.

ghettoside · Post by **ghettoside** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:51 pm

http://sun.soci.niu.edu/~critcrim/wrong/illmurder.html

http://archives.thedaily.washington.edu/1996/101896/live.101896.html

Dr Cheese · Post by **Dr Cheese** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:24 pm

ghettoside wrote: So what about an innocent man locked up for murder? what do you say if after subjecting him to experiments, he's found to have been wrongly convicted by BS? oh, sorry we used you for a guinea pig and tortured you, we just didn't give a crap, we didn't think, because our justice system is flawless, no innocent man ever gets convicted.

dude i wish we had a few jails like you discribe in the UK

the ones we have are pretty much country clubs for the bad men who deserve a 2nd chance at life

as for the experiments i'm not sure what you think i have in mind here but i'm looking at drugs that have already been tested in a lab and are certifyed for human testing

like they do now

except instead of students we should use inmates

on a side note it's nice to get an intelligent opposing point of veiw on this

i've posted it at a few sites and most of the replys i get are along the lines of

"no u can't do it because it wud make us as bad as them"

it's nice to have to think about a reply before i put it down

MissTynker2 · Post by **MissTynker2** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:08 pm

Any violent criminal as has been previously stated should not be allow any special time off or any other special privledges imo, for anything. They gave that right up for life as far as I am concerned. On a voluntary basis however, for lesser offenses, I think it would be a great idea...and would also hopefully help out with the horrid overcrowding issues. The other exception I would make would be 3 strikers, they have also shown again just imo, that they will return to society only to offend yet again.

ghettoside · Post by **ghettoside** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:24 pm

Dr Cheese wrote:dude i wish we had a few jails like you discribe in the UK

the ones we have are pretty much country clubs for the bad men who deserve a 2nd chance at life

as for the experiments i'm not sure what you think i have in mind here but i'm looking at drugs that have already been tested in a lab and are certifyed for human testing

like they do now

except instead of students we should use inmates

on a side note it's nice to get an intelligent opposing point of veiw on this

i've posted it at a few sites and most of the replys i get are along the lines of

"no u can't do it because it wud make us as bad as them"

it's nice to have to think about a reply before i put it down

i missed that you were talking about UK prisons. I just know about US, and my "experience" is limited to a few states and some fed prisons in those states.
I don't feel prison should be a country club- it should be a punishment, but not inhumane, and also there should some sort of rehabilitative goals. so the dumb as*es can have a chance to make something of their lives. but some folks just can't or don't want to be helped.

I don't agree that any tests, or any blood, etc... should be done and or taken without consent, period. The students over there who took part in that testing, they had a choice. everyone should have a choice. even if they're pieces of sh*t.

IMHO, it's just not right to force that testing or taking. No matter what the prisoner has done. Experimental drug testing is risky, period.
I'll draw an analogy to something every geek here can understand: Liken it to beta testing software. would you like MS to force everyone to beta test all their new OS's? ie, because you use an MS OS, you must install every beta, and damn the consequences...too bad if you lose all your data, computer users will benefit from your forced beta testing.

ghettoside · Post by **ghettoside** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:31 pm

MissTynker2 wrote:Any violent criminal as has been previously stated should not be allow any special time off or any other special privledges imo, for anything. They gave that right up for life as far as I am concerned. On a voluntary basis however, for lesser offenses, I think it would be a great idea...and would also hopefully help out with the horrid overcrowding issues. The other exception I would make would be 3 strikers, they have also shown again just imo, that they will return to society only to offend yet again.

Were the 3 strikers given treatment (some sort of rehabilitation program), and was the "treatment" if any, was it actually flawless or just workable, or are they just unwilling or incapable of being rehabilitated?

Who's going to make those decisions?

3 strike states are nuts. Too many variables.