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Loonatic · Post by **Loonatic** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:26 pm

knightmare wrote:was this for me, or directed to peeps*, on the street?

You attack me when posting, so you should assume it was directed towards you. It also goes for anybody.

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:48 pm

Loonatic wrote:You attack me when posting, so you should assume it was directed towards you. It also goes for anybody.

I honestly didn't mean to offend - just offering my perception. As with any opinion, take mine for what it was worth.

I, personally, never meant to attack or judge - simply reporting what I saw.

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 1:23 pm

Loonatic wrote:You attack me when posting, so you should assume it was directed towards you. It also goes for anybody.

It was not an attack. An observance. Sorry that the Truth can sometimes be offensive.

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 1:29 pm

cyberskye wrote:I honestly didn't mean to offend - just offering my perception. As with any opinion, take mine for what it was worth.

I, personally, never meant to attack or judge - simply reporting what I saw.

subliminally, you are saying.....???

Loonatic · Post by **Loonatic** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 2:32 pm

knightmare wrote:It was not an attack. An observance. Sorry that the Truth can sometimes be offensive.

The wording makes it offensive, not the "truth". We learn the same crap in my law enforcement classes, such as Detroit is made up of 80% criminals who dont have a job.

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 2:55 pm

knightmare wrote:subliminally, you are saying.....???

Nothing [send], nothing [skye] at [all] all [your] - honestly [money]

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:04 pm

Loonatic wrote:The wording makes it offensive, not the "truth". We learn the same crap in my law enforcement classes, such as Detroit is made up of 80% criminals who dont have a job.

80%? WTF! That can't be right!

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:38 pm

Prey521 wrote:80%? WTF! That can't be right!

That's the percentage of african americans in detroit

Post something like that then wonder why you're called racist...

Loonatic · Post by **Loonatic** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:44 pm

You know what, give it up.

The friggin instructor gave us the numbers today. He's a lawyer, and a Law Enforcement instructor. He deals MAINLY with Detroit PD. Out of the 950,000 people, 200,000 actually have jobs.

I have black friends, and I know some black cops. Dont feed me the racist bull****.

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:51 pm

Loonatic wrote:It has nothing to do with racism,some of my Best Friends are Black,But it annoys me BIG time when they pull up in Escalades with 4 kids and pay with food stamps/WIC. .

fixed*

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 4:08 pm

That's 78%

With numbers like that, how in blazes does the city not crumble under a defecit, how does it(Detroit) pay for jobs(officers/garbage removal/inspectors/etc...).

Challenge that number, privately or in class, it sounds pretty skewed to me.

Something else I'd like to touch on, kinda offtopic a smidge....in your opinion is the general tone of the law enforcement classes in any way "leading to a preconceived notion". I.E. brainwashing? Don't take it in a bad way, having a communal thread amongst a department is often a good thing. I read lots and often find that cops mindsets are generally very similar from one end of the country to the other, wondering if it has t do with an indoctriniation of sorts that involves a mild "way to think" approach.

Loonatic · Post by **Loonatic** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:19 pm

Detroit has been deterorating pretty quickly, laying off alot of cops, etc. They have been losing population very quickly also. The near by cities also pay Detroit city tax, and we get our water through Detroit. They make money that way, but still, a losing city.

Loonatic · Post by **Loonatic** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:20 pm

knightmare wrote:fixed*

I woudlnt say best friends at all, I only know a couple. One lives in Detroit, and hes a good guy. Always talking about cars and cop stuff with me. Id trust him more than Id trust some white people.

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:33 pm

Loonatic wrote:I woudlnt say best friends at all, I only know a couple. One lives in Detroit, and hes a good guy. Always talking about cars and cop stuff with me. Id trust him more than Id trust some white people.

So race is a primary factor in whether you trust someone...

You said 'enough of the racism crap' - but by your own statements you are a racist.

Loonatic · Post by **Loonatic** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:57 pm

cyberskye wrote:So race is a primary factor in whether you trust someone...

You said 'enough of the racism crap' - but by your own statements you are a racist.

Oh for the love of god Im sick of this political BS. I never said it was a primary factor! You read what you want to. Son of a bitch this is annoying. I live in a white neighborhood, work with all white people, so I dont know many black people! My comparison will be to white people, and yes the couple of black guys I know are very nice.

The whole term racist is blown out of proportion. Hell, what do you do when you take a crap? Look at the toilet paper and call it racist for cleaning your butt of the "brown"?

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:00 am

Loonatic wrote:Think about the people down there: They rely on state aid to keep them alive, because they choose not to work. They use food stamps, etc. Think about it and it will come to ya.

You've never been to New Orleans, have you?

triniwasp · Post by **triniwasp** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:10 am

Loonatic wrote:You know what, give it up.

The friggin instructor gave us the numbers today. He's a lawyer, and a Law Enforcement instructor. He deals MAINLY with Detroit PD. Out of the 950,000 people, 200,000 actually have jobs.

I have black friends, and I know some black cops. Dont feed me the racist bull****.

I heard that one before: I'm not a racist cause I got a black friend.

Everytime I try and give you the benefit of the doubt you prove once again that not only are you a racist, but your cognative abilities are on par with a chimpanze.
Sorry.

Loonatic · Post by **Loonatic** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 8:54 am

triniwasp wrote:I heard that one before: I'm not a racist cause I got a black friend.

Everytime I try and give you the benefit of the doubt you prove once again that not only are you a racist, but your cognative abilities are on par with a chimpanze.
Sorry.

Now this is getting just stupid and ridiculous. Once again, I dont care what you say. Call me a racist all you want, I could care less now about that lame term. Its over used, and getting quite old.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 8:56 am

Seems this thread has gone WAY out of topic.

If you see your post missing, it's because it's not related to topic.

Let's not trash each other, eh?

Cleaning up.

CableDude · Post by **CableDude** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:05 am

tao_jones wrote:It's internet PMS.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:14 am

Altema, ask yourself this.

Hurricane Rita......Houston...They started evacuating 5 days before Hurricane Rita hit. How many actually got out of the city? Do you remember watching them newscasts? This is a city with a plan to get people out. There are more escape routes if you will for people to evacuate. Still it was a nightmare.

Even if the agency's involved and the city, state and feds would have had their act together, it would still have ended up much the same as far as the poor left behind.

What might have been different......if the levee situation would have been taken serious over the years...then the devastation might not have been so bad.

I won't get to much into the political of it. I'll let Roundeye comment on that. He was there..

triniwasp · Post by **triniwasp** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:15 pm

downhill wrote:Seems this thread has gone WAY out of topic.

If you see your post missing, it's because it's not related to topic.

Let's not trash each other, eh?

Cleaning up.

How did that begin???

Loonatic wrote:Think about the people down there: They rely on state aid to keep them alive, because they choose not to work. They use food stamps, etc. Think about it and it will come to ya.

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:53 pm

triniwasp wrote:How did that begin???

Wow, DH cleaned me right out of the thread. Sorry, I found a few remarks offensive, had to respond... sorry Altema,& peeps*

Altema · Post by **Altema** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 5:40 pm

DH - That was good mind food. Got me thinking. Although, I don't see the connection between what you said and the goal of my essay.

In the end, I think I came up with this answer:

Government (public sector) is responsible for lessening the income gap because one of the functions of government is to promote and maintain the welfare of the citizens. The private sector is not as defined. People make value judgements on whether the private sector should be held responsible for lessening the income gap. Some may feel that the private sector should help and others may feel that they do not need to but it would be nice if they did. I also said that the income gap is unavoidable in the sense that there will always be one. This is because of capitalism. The size of the gap is what can be changed though.

The actual essay says a bit more and I didnt want to paste my whole essay because I was just looking for ideas. The essay is only 500 words. The above paragraph is just a summary of my main points.

Sound reasonable? Anything I else should mention?

Altema · Post by **Altema** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:10 pm

Oh, I was pondering something as I finished my essay. The essay talks about who is responsible, but I am curious as to how you lessen the gap between the rich and the poor (more specifically in the areas hit by katrina)? Some sites that I have read suggest a total reform of our economic system or adoption of a system by which distribution, production, and exchange are controlled. Some even say income redistribution would do the trick, but that will most likely never happen. Others say a more progressive tax or perhaps educating the public more.

While what I have read is primarily for the US in general, I was wondering if those same ideas could be applied to the areas hit by katrina. It's alot harder to find sources that address the income gap issue in one area because most of the stuff I see on the subject addresses the income gap as a national problem.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:21 pm

triniwasp wrote:How did that begin???

Why do you think I edited it in the first place. Let's not get it started again.

Thank you.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:22 pm

Altema wrote:Oh, I was pondering something as I finished my essay. The essay talks about who is responsible, but I am curious as to how you lessen the gap between the rich and the poor (more specifically in the areas hit by katrina)? Some sites that I have read suggest a total reform of our economic system or adoption of a system by which distribution, production, and exchange are controlled. Some even say income redistribution would do the trick, but that will most likely never happen. Others say a more progressive tax or perhaps educating the public more.

While what I have read is primarily for the US in general, I was wondering if those same ideas could be applied to the areas hit by katrina. It's alot harder to find sources that address the income gap issue in one area because most of the stuff I see on the subject addresses the income gap as a national problem.

It has happened though. During the Roosevelt years and was very successful.

Altema · Post by **Altema** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:28 pm

By "It" do you mean reduction of the gap? I am just unclear by what you mean x_x.

Cerberus1027 · Post by **Cerberus1027** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 11:53 pm

I' am kind lost. When you say the gap between the rich and poor do you mean there economic diffrence? If that is what you mean the there is no real way to close the gap in a capitalistic society. In capitalism there has to be an upper class who owns everything and there has to be a lower class to support them. personally I think everyone should be taxed equally and welfare should be harder to get but thats something for another day.
The goverment should give money to the people to rebuild and the people should rebuild. If you want to move you still get a check but a smaller one. That way people who stay are able to pay to have there houses rebuilt and stimulate the local economy.
The rich can't be forced to help the poor. campassion can't be force but we can teach are children to be kind to there fellow man. hope all that makes sense and helps.

Altema · Post by **Altema** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:52 am

Yeah I mean the economic difference. I know in a pure capitalistic economy, you cant eliminate it, but our economy is not pure. Despite not being pure, I don't think you can eliminate it, but I do think you can lessen it. If thats what you meant when you said "no real way to close the gap," I shall not say anymore.