Pentium D or P4 with H/T

Tailgunner9 · Post by **Tailgunner9** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 1:48 pm

Which would most of you same is the best or fastest?????? Thinking of buying one.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 2:34 pm

What do you use your PC for and what is your budget foracpu.

Tailgunner9 · Post by **Tailgunner9** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 5:53 pm

Use it for burning my digital movies and some games. Budget not over $1000 or could jus get new computer.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:15 pm

Well what motherboard do you have now?

Tailgunner9 · Post by **Tailgunner9** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:25 pm

Gigabyte GA-81HXP that is going bad. Works awhile then crashes. Replaced Ram but still does it. Has a 3.06 P4 with H/T 533bus

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:59 pm

Pentium D, its better to have two actual cores than one physical and one logical.

zooner · Post by **zooner** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 8:32 pm

wee96 wrote:Pentium D, its better to have two actual cores than one physical and one logical.

Have you considered an x2?

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:48 am

Yea just for the record, the x2 anihilates the pentium D in basically everything. In alot of cases it anihilates the 840EE as well.

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:48 pm

wee96 wrote:Yea just for the record, the x2 anihilates the pentium D in basically everything. In alot of cases it anihilates the 840EE as well.

thats not true

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:16 pm

If you need to replace your motherboard and cpu an AMD X2 or opteron Dual Core would be the best option for your budget. should be able to do a opteron 170 and a mobo for 500-550. A 165 opteron would probably save ya another 80 bucks.

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:00 pm

rivas wrote:thats not true

Look it up

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:02 pm

Arguing about the 840EE is pointless because its now getting hard to find, I believe Intel is making a newer version off a future core? Not sure, AND IT'S ABOVE HIS BUDGET.

Save it.

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:36 pm

*sneeze*

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:33 am

wee96 wrote:Look it up

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:19 am

rivas wrote:

hi

TonyT · Post by **TonyT** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:37 am

Tailgunner9 wrote:Gigabyte GA-81HXP that is going bad. Works awhile then crashes. Replaced Ram but still does it. Has a 3.06 P4 with H/T 533bus

Motherboards usually do not gradually go bad, they usually just stop working due to a short, failing onboard component, or battery.

If you can boot and then run into issues when up & running, and certain that it's hardware related, then check:
1. temp of cpu (may need to be reseated)
2. onboard components (disable via bios 1 at a time and run system for a while)

The solution may be as simple as disabling onboard usb or sound, and adding a sound card or usb card.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:00 am

TonyT wrote:Motherboards usually do not gradually go bad, they usually just stop working due to a short, failing onboard component, or battery.

Failing/leaking capacitors can present themselves gradually over time. With ever increasing lockups and booting attemps that take several tries.

Tailgunner9 · Post by **Tailgunner9** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:45 pm

Got a new board for $80 and used my old 3.06 CPU and memory and running GREAT now. Noticed a small piece of solder fell off old board when removing. So think this may have been the problem. Thanks for advice.

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:48 pm

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:09 pm

wee96 wrote:hi

lol
hi
Do you really think there is such a big difference ? I use it for encoding only and if i'm gonna be slower by 10 seconds i really dont give a sh|t (i dont think i will since intels cpus should be faster ) but anyway ....
AMD doesnt have HT ,SS3 and last ...stable mobo ,AMD is not making chipsets for motherboards,and it means someone else is doing it .Its always some bug error,doesnt matter if its VIA,SiS or nvidia.Look how many screw ups there were ...no kidding ...Intel is making their own chipsets and it means their mobos are top notch ...and this is the BASIC.You cant say same thing about AMD.Even if they are cheaper the new mobos with nvidia chipsets for AMD are worth **** ,they are never gonna be as good as intel.End of story.

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:29 pm

AMD cpu's have SSE3 just so you know, and I have no bugs with my chipset.

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:48 pm

wee96 wrote:AMD cpu's have SSE3 just so you know, and I have no bugs with my chipset.

well the newer ones ..
i was not talking ONLY about your chipset

zooner · Post by **zooner** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:59 am

[quote="rivas"]well the newer ones ..
i was not talking ONLY about your chipset ]

i left amd for a long time because of unstable chipsets. While there are other stable chipsets now available, I believe part of amd's success is due to nvidia's enterance into the chipset market.

When all is said and done, nothing beats the dual-core sweetness of today's processors.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:17 am

rivas wrote:lol
hi
Do you really think there is such a big difference ? I use it for encoding only and if i'm gonna be slower by 10 seconds i really dont give a sh|t (i dont think i will since intels cpus should be faster ) but anyway ....
AMD doesnt have HT ,SS3 and last ...stable mobo ,AMD is not making chipsets for motherboards,and it means someone else is doing it .Its always some bug error,doesnt matter if its VIA,SiS or nvidia.Look how many screw ups there were ...no kidding ...Intel is making their own chipsets and it means their mobos are top notch ...and this is the BASIC.You cant say same thing about AMD.Even if they are cheaper the new mobos with nvidia chipsets for AMD are worth **** ,they are never gonna be as good as intel.End of story.

Intels motherboards are not top notch, if they were everyone would buy them. Intels chipsets put out the best performance for intel CPUs, just as Nvidia puts out the best performance for AMD.

AMD does not have HT, but the Athlon 64s and Dual cores have on chip memory controllers.

There are stable boards for AMD, the Nforce4 chipsets are very reliable.

You can say that AMD are never gonna be as good as intel, but in fact at this generation AMD, overall is better. AMD edges out intel in gaming performace with more than 1 CPU, and unless you get a chip that costs about a mortgage payment AMD will beat intel in most benchmarks for different software.

Seeing you and wee fight about this is getting very old, you are obvisouly very biased against AMD, and its not a chip to fit your needs right now, but your ignorant to the overall argument and dont care to be educated on it.

So lets STFU with all this bickering.

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:26 am

Stop whining YoS.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:34 am

wee96 wrote:Stop whining YoS.

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:45 am

You know im jokin

Tailgunner9 · Post by **Tailgunner9** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:28 pm

3.06 is a P4 Northwood CPU 533 FSB, I use an Intel 850E chipset with Rambus 1066 memory on motherboard. Never any complaints until motherboard went bad. Got it on new Intel board now working GREAT.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:00 pm

Tailgunner9 wrote:3.06 is a P4 Northwood CPU 533 FSB, I use an Intel 850E chipset with Rambus 1066 memory on motherboard. Never any complaints until motherboard went bad. Got it on new Intel board now working GREAT.

Good to hear, I liked my gigabyte 850 board and RDRAM setup too. 3ghz and HT aint bad, thats for sure

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:34 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:Intels motherboards are not top notch, if they were everyone would buy them. Intels chipsets put out the best performance for intel CPUs, just as Nvidia puts out the best performance for AMD.

AMD does not have HT, but the Athlon 64s and Dual cores have on chip memory controllers.

There are stable boards for AMD, the Nforce4 chipsets are very reliable.

You can say that AMD are never gonna be as good as intel, but in fact at this generation AMD, overall is better. AMD edges out intel in gaming performace with more than 1 CPU, and unless you get a chip that costs about a mortgage payment AMD will beat intel in most benchmarks for different software.

Seeing you and wee fight about this is getting very old, you are obvisouly very biased against AMD, and its not a chip to fit your needs right now, but your ignorant to the overall argument and dont care to be educated on it.

So lets STFU with all this bickering.

yeah right
there is always some bug error update etc.. doesnt matter if its VIA SiS or nvidi chipset on board.. they are all worth sh|t like last time nvidia screwed up seagate matrox and WD HDD's SATA II they are not working as they should .. making the disk slower ... it have to be SATA 1

) thats very poor.ANd yes Nforce4 chipsets are very reliable

ANd seeing the benchmarks u beat me only in one out of 6.I do care to be educated about it.Take some chill pill Yard .Btw you still didnt educate me why that "older " chipset didnt work with this cpu and only with that 955x chipset.You guaranteed me its gonna work lol

I'm not saying AMD are bad cpus i just like more intel.Thats all.If you cant get over it oh well lol

Wee when we are going for our holidays ? This year or next one ? Seriously ...

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:53 pm

Rivas, what chipset, provide some proof and models to what your talking about.

Bug fixes, EVERY motherboard has bug fixes, even INTEL chipset boards and INTEL boards themselves.

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 7:36 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:Rivas, what chipset, provide some proof and models to what your talking about.

Bug fixes, EVERY motherboard has bug fixes, even INTEL chipset boards and INTEL boards themselves.

All one needs to do is browse the nVidia forums, http://forums.nvidia.com,
to find many alleged problems with the nForce4/AMD chipsets. The following
points are brought into focus:

1. nVidia is completely silent in responding to end user complaints about
defects.
2. The MAC Ethernet controller has issues (NAM, network access
manager/firewall]http://www.rme-audio.de/english/tech...rce4_tests.htm[/url]

As such, nf4 is not really a working chipset for demanding high bandwidth PCI-card applications.

The IDE driver issues (especially on ATAPI devices like dvd/cd drives) is a disgrace that AMD should have fixed years ago (on nf2).

They still do not have it working properly and we are forced to use the MSI drivers (with some loss in performance).

ENOUGH ?

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 8:24 pm

Active armor is a software firewall, so what LOL

AMD raid solutions have always been lower than intel, I've never questioned that, thats why I moved to a PCIe RAID card. The ICH raid SB chipsets have always been one of the best IDE performers.

NAM, I dont know what this is.

I have no CD/DVD rom issues on the IDE channels or PCIe slowdown.

None of these are really a major issue, deffinately not enough

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:07 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:Active armor is a software firewall, so what LOL

AMD raid solutions have always been lower than intel, I've never questioned that, thats why I moved to a PCIe RAID card. The ICH raid SB chipsets have always been one of the best IDE performers.

NAM, I dont know what this is.

I have no CD/DVD rom issues on the IDE channels or PCIe slowdown.

None of these are really a major issue, deffinately not enough

seems like you didnt read the forums but whatever LOL
no idea why did u ask for proof/models

BTW NAM Network Animator has a main goal to graphically show simulation trace files. It takes a simulation trace file from the Network Simulator (NS), then presents each line of the trace file in a graphical way. NS's users can use some appropriate NS's commands to create a nam trace file corresponding to a simulation's results. Usually, this type of trace file has an extension "nam" can show many situations in the networking world; for examples, topology layout, enqueued packets, dropped packets, control packets using in routing algorithms, mobility of a node, etc.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:23 pm

I did broswe the forums quickly, saw the stuff you pointed out but I dont see BIG problems, NAM is software again?

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:34 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:I did broswe the forums quickly, saw the stuff you pointed out but I dont see BIG problems, NAM is software again?

yes!!!

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YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:54 pm

A little software app isnt really a major Nforce issue, hell just use Trace Route.

I still stand by my original statement.

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:40 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:A little software app isnt really a major Nforce issue, hell just use Trace Route.

I still stand by my original statement.

everything stands on software
topology layout, enqueued packets, dropped packets, control packets using in routing algorithms, mobility of a node (network) sharing it with irq (Ide/Sata controllers) causing HDD data loss thats a little ?

REading your replys its like saying its awesome 30 of us are cool with this chipset when 300 others are having problems with it.

In spite of the facts intel chipsets never had such issues and i will stand on my original statement as well.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:10 am

rivas wrote:everything stands on software
topology layout, enqueued packets, dropped packets, control packets using in routing algorithms, mobility of a node (network) sharing it with irq (Ide/Sata controllers) causing HDD data loss thats a little ?
REading your replys its like saying its awesome 30 of us are cool with this chipset when 300 others are having problems with it.

In spite of the facts intel chipsets never had such issues and i will stand on my original statement as well.

http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/at ... dex.x?pg=1

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/sh ... spx?i=2410

Theres 2 good reviews of the chips.

Go look at Intel forums and you'll see people having problems with intel based boards too. Just because someone has a problem does not mean there is a huge flaw in the board or chipset. Show me a thread were they point out the flaw, not a link to a forum where people just have questions.

I doubt you've seriously even looked at or into AMD and are now just throwing stuff out.

Ya we need software obviously, but you started talking about AMD chips, then the mobo chipset, now the ethernet chip. The only problem I know of is when OCing one of the NICs can go bad, doesnt like the high clocks.

The IDE ontrolleris slower than Intels, but does not cause data loss, most people with those problems have had underpowered PSUs or missused the multi saved bios options and did not reset the boot drive in bios.

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:52 pm

ur right,dont know why im arguing and b|tching some much about amd
maybe cuz when i got my new setup wee started talking so low about intel.But we r behind that already.
intel or amd ....different ppl different taste,maybe next year or even this year i will buy top amd cpu just to compare.