Adolf Hitler

Zerohero · Post by **Zerohero** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:51 pm

This is my all about hitler thread...

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0386944/

Zerohero · Post by **Zerohero** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:55 pm

Prussian Blue - Neo Nazis

http://www.prussianblue.net/ It's their official website.

Has anyone heard about these so called 'musicians?' It's very sad, they're only 13 but they beleive that hitler was a good man and they call many nazi excecutives 'men of peace.' They also hate black people, and they've apparenetly been quoted as saying that any money donated to the victims of hurricanne Katarina should go to white's only. It's really nauseating how their mother could bring them up in such a way.

Has anyone heard about them? They really make me want to be sick.

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:02 pm

I was reading his book few years back MEIN KAMPF,i was sooo surpriced i found it in library.Its big book and most of the time very boring (the original version) but i also brought Mein Kampf (2nd edition) and there were notes and explanations why/where he was wrong.The second book was really "entertaining" and it really made me think.This man was genious but he was sick minded.They were also saying (dont flame me for this im not trying to start some thread war here) that after war ended US tryed (and most of them succesfully)to get as many nazi scientist as possible (same scientists who killed thousands of innocent ppl in nazi camps) to continue the research in US .
But that was written in the book im not saying its true.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:04 pm

...He was just misunderstood...

Zerohero · Post by **Zerohero** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:11 pm

rivas wrote:I was reading his book few years back MEIN KAMPF,i was sooo surpriced i found it in library.Its big book and most of the time very boring (the original version) but i also brought Mein Kampf (2nd edition) and there were notes and explanations why/where he was wrong.The second book was really "entertaining" and it really made me think.This man was genious but he was sick minded.They were also saying (dont flame me for this im not trying to start some thread war here) that after war ended US tryed (and most of them succesfully)to get as many nazi scientist as possible (same scientists who killed thousands of innocent ppl in nazi camps) to continue the research in US .
But that was written in the book im not saying its true.

Intresting, I want to get the 2nd editoin now. The first edition is available online.
http://www.crusader.net/texts/mk/

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:23 pm

Zerohero wrote:Intresting, I want to get the 2nd editoin now. The first edition is available online.
http://www.crusader.net/texts/mk/

get the 2nd edition,its worth it,they will explain everything into details and makes u understand more.

Zerohero · Post by **Zerohero** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:20 pm

rivas wrote:get the 2nd edition,its worth it,they will explain everything into details and makes u understand more.

Will do man!

Jamie_R · Post by **Jamie_R** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:30 pm

David · Post by **David** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:34 am

Zerohero wrote:Intresting, I want to get the 2nd editoin now. The first edition is available online.
http://www.crusader.net/texts/mk/

Oh those rascals at stormfront.....

Jamie_R · Post by **Jamie_R** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:46 am

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 11:03 am

Jamie_R · Post by **Jamie_R** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 11:41 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:05 pm

what kind of college do you attend? You have a warped professor...

Giving students in a mostly minority area , assignments to assume the role of southern businessmen in the Confederacy, and Hitler....

Zerohero · Post by **Zerohero** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:16 pm

knightmare wrote:what kind of college do you attend? You have a warped professor...

Giving students in a mostly minority area , assignments to assume the role of southern businessmen in the Confederacy, and Hitler....

Hehe, no this one is just me researching myself. I just got the movie "Hitler rise to Evil" yesterday.

Love the pictures btw

SpareX · Post by **SpareX** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:34 pm

I did a high school essay on hitler that proved a few good points. The key thing to remember about him is that just like in all governments and all countries history there will be many sides to a story. many bits of info that hitler didn't know about his own country. He wanted a perfect society, he went the wrong way to go about it, but he wanted a good cause that will never come about and was going to force it. The problem Hitler had was that he had a German Mofia working under him that he didn't know all the Actions of. His SS.. They did a ton of things, but informed thier leaders of a few.. like a 20:3 ratio essentially. just like the president here doesn't know EVERYTHING the CIA does.. but the CIA does a million more things then they will EVER tell.

Yes, Hitler was Misunderstood. Yes Hitler did a few things wrong in his life that were misguided. But I bet you if you really deeply research it, you'll find out that Hitler didn't know everything and more people died from it as he may wanted a different way to handle certian things. Sick - Yes... Brilliant - Yes.. Evil.. well.. I would want to know EVERY thing he did and he knew about before i decide that.. He wanted a decent goal, but went for it all wrong..

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:37 pm

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:44 pm

SpareX wrote:I did a high school essay on hitler that proved a few good points. The key thing to remember about him is that just like in all governments and all countries history there will be many sides to a story. many bits of info that hitler didn't know about his own country. He wanted a perfect society, he went the wrong way to go about it, but he wanted a good cause that will never come about and was going to force it. The problem Hitler had was that he had a German Mofia working under him that he didn't know all the Actions of. His SS.. They did a ton of things, but informed thier leaders of a few.. like a 20:3 ratio essentially. just like the president here doesn't know EVERYTHING the CIA does.. but the CIA does a million more things then they will EVER tell.

Yes, Hitler was Misunderstood. Yes Hitler did a few things wrong in his life that were misguided. But I bet you if you really deeply research it, you'll find out that Hitler didn't know everything and more people died from it as he may wanted a different way to handle certian things. Sick - Yes... Brilliant - Yes.. Evil.. well.. I would want to know EVERY thing he did and he knew about before i decide that.. He wanted a decent goal, but went for it all wrong..

his own country ?what ur talking about.He was born in Braunau am Inn Austria.Thats not germany.He knew very well what was going on.

David · Post by **David** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:14 pm

SpareX wrote:
Yes, Hitler was Misunderstood. Yes Hitler did a few things wrong in his life that were misguided. But I bet you if you really deeply research it, you'll find out that Hitler didn't know everything and more people died from it as he may wanted a different way to handle certian things. Sick - Yes... Brilliant - Yes.. Evil.. well.. I would want to know EVERY thing he did and he knew about before i decide that..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_solution

and for the sake of boredom...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Republic

Was Hitler evil? By Judeo-Christian standards, most definitely. Was Hitler brilliant? He was intelligent, but it was his viciousness and no small amount of luck that offered him power.

SpareX wrote:He wanted a decent goal, but went for it all wrong..

He had many goals. Which ones are you referring to as being decent? Contrast with those goals which were vile.

Zerohero · Post by **Zerohero** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:59 pm

The only thing about him I can understand is his hatred for the Jews. I'm not saying he was right, I'm saying you have to look at it from a psycological point, and the events that happened to him early in his life that lead up to the ultimate extermination of the Jews.

My question is, were the Jews really causing that many problems in Germany at that time in history?

cho · Post by **cho** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:09 pm

Zerohero wrote:The only thing about him I can understand is his hatred for the Jews. I'm not saying he was right, I'm saying you have to look at it from a psycological point, and the events that happened to him early in his life that lead up to the ultimate extermination of the Jews.

My question is, were the Jews really causing that many problems in Germany at that time in history?

What events happened to him early in his life that he can blame on the Jewish people? The Jewish people did not cause that many problems, if any at all in Germany post World War 1. They were used as a scapegoat beause there were an easy target, and have never been too populare with other ethnicities historically it seems.

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:27 pm

According to reasearch from some havard proff. I saw on fox Hilter was part jewish this one house he had shown records to prove this it also shown in those records that hilters family was very messed up with mental illnesses. That's why those records were hidden if people found out about all thease things Hilter will be a hypocrat would've been excuted since he killed those with illnesses ,and the jews. An whole ideology based on Nitezche superman model.

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:35 pm

Zerohero wrote:The only thing about him I can understand is his hatred for the Jews. I'm not saying he was right, I'm saying you have to look at it from a psycological point, and the events that happened to him early in his life that lead up to the ultimate extermination of the Jews.

My question is, were the Jews really causing that many problems in Germany at that time in history?

he was tryng to find a job and everything was taken ...by jews ...
every available position ...there was no way you could find a job because jews were passing it to each other ...thats why his hate started.
so he end up on construction and met there some ppl (HESS&spol) and they created party.

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:38 pm

mccoffee wrote:According to reasearch from some havard proff. I saw on fox Hilter was part jewish this one house he had shown records to prove this it also shown in those records that hilters family was very messed up with mental illnesses. That's why those records were hidden if people found out about all thease things Hilter will be a hypocrat would've been excuted since he killed those with illnesses ,and the jews. An whole ideology based on Nitezche superman model.

rumors ...

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:42 pm

*cho* wrote:What events happened to him early in his life that he can blame on the Jewish people? The Jewish people did not cause that many problems, if any at all in Germany post World War 1. They were used as a scapegoat beause there were an easy target, and have never been too populare with other ethnicities historically it seems.

his goal were jews and then slavics
your argument is pointless
if you read some book jews were slaves in ancient egypt and for almost every nation for over 2000 years.
in my personal opinion i dont care if ur jew,afro american,chinese korean or whatever ...its same = people just with different views and opinions

David · Post by **David** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:57 pm

Zerohero wrote:The only thing about him I can understand is his hatred for the Jews. I'm not saying he was right, I'm saying you have to look at it from a psycological point, and the events that happened to him early in his life that lead up to the ultimate extermination of the Jews.

My question is, were the Jews really causing that many problems in Germany at that time in history?

No.

Germany had been defeated and was expected to pay harshly for its tresspasses during WW1. Mix with that the Great Depression and you have makings of disaster

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:16 pm

Hell_Yes wrote:No.

Germany had been defeated and was expected to pay harshly for its tresspasses during WW1. Mix with that the Great Depression and you have makings of disaster

i mean no disrespect bro but ur saying NO ?
Everything was owned by jews,newspapers,top ranked jobs,factorys,shops,land for agriculture ...

CableDude · Post by **CableDude** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:23 pm

Jamie_R wrote:

I lol'd!

Zerohero · Post by **Zerohero** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:30 pm

Cabledude wrote:I lol'd!

Why don't you just make that your sig?

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:56 pm

SpareX wrote:
Yes, Hitler was Misunderstood. Yes Hitler did a few things wrong in his life that were misguided.

Few misguided and a few things wrong? I am not really sure how to respond.

if you can go through this site

http://www.yadvashem.org/

On another note I would not call Hitler brilliant. Yes he was a charasmatic speaker but that about it.

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:58 pm

its history we shouldnt bring this sh|t back up ...
nobody can change it ...very sad part of our history

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:25 pm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6840788/from/RL.5/

David · Post by **David** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 11:50 pm

rivas wrote:i mean no disrespect bro but ur saying NO ?
Everything was owned by jews,newspapers,top ranked jobs,factorys,shops,land for agriculture ...

You did not pay mind to the question.
"My question is, were the Jews really causing that many problems in Germany at that time in history?"

The answer is no. They were not the cause of the problems.

You cannot say that everything was owned by Jews. The argument was that Jews had disproportional powers in German society.

Zerohero · Post by **Zerohero** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 12:07 am

Hell_Yes wrote:You did not pay mind to the question.
"My question is, were the Jews really causing that many problems in Germany at that time in history?"

The answer is no. They were not the cause of the problems.

You cannot say that everything was owned by Jews. The argument was that Jews had disproportional powers in German society.

Kind of like it is now in the USA...

Cypher · Post by **Cypher** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 12:40 am

Zerohero wrote:Kind of like it is now in the USA...

I'd have to disagree with this statement as well. You can't sum up America's problems with blaming any ethnic community behind them. It has proven far beyond that in too many ways to list.
To sum up my take on Hitlers in brief; Hitlers intelligence could have done much good for humanity, but his personal insanity prevented it. His thinking was too plagued by hatred and fascist aspiration to do any good as a whole.
In short F him and what he stood for. On that note F Bush and what he stands for as well.

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 1:46 am

Hell_Yes wrote:You did not pay mind to the question.
"My question is, were the Jews really causing that many problems in Germany at that time in history?"

The answer is no. They were not the cause of the problems.

You cannot say that everything was owned by Jews. The argument was that Jews had disproportional powers in German society.

Yes i did

If i did finish a college,and i'm looking for some job lets say i'm a lawyer and i dont have the opportunity or chance get the job because i'm not jew,then YES they were the cause of the problems.
But thats history i dont wanna argue but from my point of view dont you agree ?Its discrimination isnt it ?And thats what pissed him off.

EVEN now after so many years after war there is still invisible wall between jews and germans and what is VERY interesting neonazis/nazis are gonna win elections in next 15 years.There was very good article about this from newspapers what i'm receiving from europe every week (thanks auntie ! lol) and so many people are scared again.Have to mention its not some crazy newspaper but its more about people how they live,politics,history and little bit of everything.
I remember when i was in Prague 10 years ago and nazis were protesting about 30 000 of them and the police didnt do a single thing when they were marching with hitler pics and SS flags.Disgusting

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 1:55 am

[quote="Cypher_138"]I'd have to disagree with this statement as well. You can't sum up America's problems with blaming any ethnic community behind them. It has proven far beyond that in too many ways to list.
To sum up my take on Hitlers in brief]

no kidding lol
but dont forget there wasnt just Hitler behind all this but i do believe he knew what was happening...mengele,rosenberg,goebbels,hess and bunch of others

wehrmacht hated nazis

David · Post by **David** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:23 am

rivas wrote:Yes i did
If i did finish a college,and i'm looking for some job lets say i'm a lawyer and i dont have the opportunity or chance get the job because i'm not jew,then YES they were the cause of the problems.
But thats history i dont wanna argue but from my point of view dont you agree ?Its discrimination isnt it ?And thats what pissed him off.

You are incorrect. As I previously stated they, did not have "all" the jobs nor all the control. If you were talented, you could have certainly found work..... Well, it would have been difficult being that the world was ensconced in a Great Depression and being crushed by the Treaty of Versailles. I suppose it depends on your perspective and source of information. I took the opportunity to spend several months (returning occasionally) on WP/NN forums and visited their web pages. It is amazing how coarse their sentiments run, and to what extent they are willing to distort facts. To these people, somehow Jews were responsible for every possible evil that ever befell a society.

As the story goes, Hitler was not admitted to a Viennese university for the study of art. The board was chiefly Jewish, but he was disallowed for his inability to aptly draw a human form. Whether or not this was the cause of his antisemitism or perhaps following in the centuries long European antipathy of Jews, it is difficult to say.

rivas wrote:EVEN now after so many years after war there is still invisible wall between jews and germans and what is VERY interesting neonazis/nazis are gonna win elections in next 15 years.There was very good article about this from newspapers what i'm receiving from europe every week (thanks auntie ! lol) and so many people are scared again.Have to mention its not some crazy newspaper but its more about people how they live,politics,history and little bit of everything.
I remember when i was in Prague 10 years ago and nazis were protesting about 30 000 of them and the police didnt do a single thing when they were marching with hitler pics and SS flags.Disgusting

There most definitely exists a continuing problem, but it is not only Jews. Arabs are also being targeted. Forgive the generalization, however Europe remains a continent of highly nationalistic peoples. "Foreigners" who have achieved even moderate success will find greater antipathy by the "true bloods". Funny though, it is not so different here in the US. More on that later.

Have a great day.

SpareX · Post by **SpareX** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:20 am

Hell_Yes wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_solution

and for the sake of boredom...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Republic

Was Hitler evil? By Judeo-Christian standards, most definitely. Was Hitler brilliant? He was intelligent, but it was his viciousness and no small amount of luck that offered him power.

He had many goals. Which ones are you referring to as being decent? Contrast with those goals which were vile.

Well I was basing my statement upon a small research paper i did YEARS ago.. your links to the wikipedia give some good reads that if i was to compare my notes of that said paper vs that of this newer information that i've now been reading then perhaps i would of gotten an F on this paper vs the A+ i got instead. Course the problem was that i didn't know about this info when i did this paper, and neither did my teacher that based his grading upon the reference materials i used.

His goal of world domination and otherwise world rulership is quite vile and sinister, especially if you consider the way he was going about it... he did have a goal of creating a perfect world, getting to said goal.. evil.. but the goal itself is not so really.. MANY people Including our own government strive for a perfect world, just not going to go about it as viciously.

Hitler was viewed by many different people in many different ways.. but there is one thing that is a decent trait.. he still went for many of his goals, which is something 75% of everyday people will never do.. he had a dream and wanted to attain that dream. There were a million different ways he could of gone after his goals, but he took the hard road and the dark path.. immagine what would of happened if he went about it in different ways, and still got his goals or at least a smaller version of those goals...

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:17 pm

Hell_Yes wrote:You are incorrect. As I previously stated they, did not have "all" the jobs nor all the control. If you were talented, you could have certainly found work..... Well, it would have been difficult being that the world was ensconced in a Great Depression and being crushed by the Treaty of Versailles. I suppose it depends on your perspective and source of information. I took the opportunity to spend several months (returning occasionally) on WP/NN forums and visited their web pages. It is amazing how coarse their sentiments run, and to what extent they are willing to distort facts. To these people, somehow Jews were responsible for every possible evil that ever befell a society.

As the story goes, Hitler was not admitted to a Viennese university for the study of art. The board was chiefly Jewish, but he was disallowed for his inability to aptly draw a human form. Whether or not this was the cause of his antisemitism or perhaps following in the centuries long European antipathy of Jews, it is difficult to say.

There most definitely exists a continuing problem, but it is not only Jews. Arabs are also being targeted. Forgive the generalization, however Europe remains a continent of highly nationalistic peoples. "Foreigners" who have achieved even moderate success will find greater antipathy by the "true bloods". Funny though, it is not so different here in the US. More on that later.

Have a great day.

we could discuss this over and over,you are reading about it and was visiting WP/NN forums but my family felt his evil they went throught it .Read his book if you have a chance if you wanna/try to understand him more.Treaty of Versailles ment nothing to him,it was something like bug flying around.

ANyway,have a great day

David · Post by **David** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:40 pm

rivas wrote:we could discuss this over and over,you are reading about it and was visiting WP/NN forums but my family felt his evil they went throught it .Read his book if you have a chance if you wanna/try to understand him more.Treaty of Versailles ment nothing to him,it was something like bug flying around.

ANyway,have a great day

Erik,

You have my sympathies for how the Nazis touched your family. Understand that I am of Polish Jewish ancestry (With two relatives who fought as Americans against the Nazis). You can imagine what happened. In addition, I have faced anti-Jewish sentiments throughout my years. I needed to understand WHY, why do people think as they do.

Assume that Mein Kampf has been read, more importantly it was discussed with others from differing perspectives.

Hitler used the treaty of Versailles as an example of the errors of the Weimar republic.

It has been argued that WW1 never truly ended. A second war was necessary to correct the problems incurred from the first.

As always my friend, best to you and the critters.

be well,
david