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cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 6:41 pm

wee96 wrote:Im not putting my neighboors life at risk by owning an SKS. When used for home defense, the round could easily become a problem, I wasnt talking about that. We got mixed up here I think.

Agree ~

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 6:55 pm

Bastid wrote:...read the constitution please

Don't mean to stir anything up - since we all realize we were talking about different things anyway

- but it had been a while, so I just did:

II. A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

That doesn't say anything specifically about taking on the gov't - actually sounds quite opposite to me. Who would 'regulate' the militia? Probably the gov't. In any case, if only 'registered militiamen' were carrying assault weapons in active defense of our free state, I wouldn't have any issue at all. The entire Swiss population is so armed (no standing military) and they have very few incidents of accidental gun violence - evidence it can be done responsibly.

Another thought - many gun rights advocates (meaning peeps who feel very strongly about the topic) are pro-Bush. His latest admission to attacking civil liberties (NSA taps) should make them wonder...unless article II is more important than IV...

Have fun,

Skye

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 7:00 pm

people just need to remember that guns don't kill people ... people kill people

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 7:01 pm

cyberskye wrote:
Another thought - many gun rights advocates (meaning peeps who feel very strongly about the topic) are pro-Bush. His latest admission to attacking civil liberties (NSA taps) should make them wonder...unless article II is more important than IV...

Have fun,

Skye

cyber...it's always been my contention that it won't be a moderately liberal base that takes away gun ownership but one from the fringe left (never been even close to power in this country) or......as you already somewhat noted....the fringe right.

Gun owners....look out...if GW gets appointed for life...and your weapon is registered....expect to loose it. He's saving you from terrorists.

RoscoPColtrane · Post by **RoscoPColtrane** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 7:21 pm

See here is where i dont' understand people. Everyone acts like people are carring around "cop killers" or "armor piercing" rounds. Ive been shooting since i was 4 years old and i have NEVER used either of those rounds. I agree that armor piercing rounds have no place outside of miltiary use.

You have used the m16 a few times. DO YOU understand that the civy version is a semi automatic rifle that shoots .223 (5.56). Same bullet but its hardly a fully auto. Even the military "m16' are not full auto, they are 3 round burst. The full auto version is the m4 nowadays. Also the .223 isn't exactly gonna pierce a brick wall. yeah it would go threw drywall but you are acting like its gonna hit someone threw 8 walls or something. These are the bullets that have been known to graze off of people heads....

m16 has been used many times as being TOO big and yet you say its fine to deer hunt and such. Personally if i was gonna deer hunt i would want to use a .308 or something. Which btw has even more stopping power than the SKS that was mentioned. .308 = 7.62x51 compared to the SKS = 7.62x39

I dont' know anyone who is carrying around stinger missles in their back pockets. Nor deer hunting with .50 cal sniper rifles. Do you even know how much those cost?!

Do me a favor and go to a gun range if you can find one. YOu will see that most people who "shoot" are very mature and would never use their weapons to do harm unless need be.

You know there are crazy people who by knives every day right?

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 7:29 pm

RoscoPColtrane wrote:See here is where i dont' understand people. Everyone acts like people are carring around "cop killers" or "armor piercing" rounds. Ive been shooting since i was 4 years old and i have NEVER used either of those rounds. I agree that armor piercing rounds have no place outside of miltiary use.

You have used the m16 a few times. DO YOU understand that the civy version is a semi automatic rifle that shoots .223 (5.56). Same bullet but its hardly a fully auto. Even the military "m16' are not full auto, they are 3 round burst. The full auto version is the m4 nowadays. Also the .223 isn't exactly gonna pierce a brick wall. yeah it would go threw drywall but you are acting like its gonna hit someone threw 8 walls or something. These are the bullets that have been known to graze off of people heads....

m16 has been used many times as being TOO big and yet you say its fine to deer hunt and such. Personally if i was gonna deer hunt i would want to use a .308 or something. Which btw has even more stopping power than the SKS that was mentioned. .308 = 7.62x51 compared to the SKS = 7.62x39

I dont' know anyone who is carrying around stinger missles in their back pockets. Nor deer hunting with .50 cal sniper rifles. Do you even know how much those cost?!

Do me a favor and go to a gun range if you can find one. YOu will see that most people who "shoot" are very mature and would never use their weapons to do harm unless need be.

You know there are crazy people who by knives every day right?

M16A3 is Full Auto.

Bastid · Post by **Bastid** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 7:33 pm

cyberskye wrote:Don't mean to stir anything up - since we all realize we were talking about different things anyway - but it had been a while, so I just did:

That doesn't say anything specifically about taking on the gov't - actually sounds quite opposite to me. Who would 'regulate' the militia? Probably the gov't. In any case, if only 'registered militiamen' were carrying assault weapons in active defense of our free state, I wouldn't have any issue at all. The entire Swiss population is so armed (no standing military) and they have very few incidents of accidental gun violence - evidence it can be done responsibly.

Another thought - many gun rights advocates (meaning peeps who feel very strongly about the topic) are pro-Bush. His latest admission to attacking civil liberties (NSA taps) should make them wonder...unless article II is more important than IV...

Have fun,

Skye

my mis-understanding...
i was always with the understanding that it was to keep the government in check...i dont know who how or why, but i thought this is what it was for...

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 7:38 pm

RoscoPColtrane wrote:See here is where i dont' understand people. Everyone acts like people are carring around "cop killers" or "armor piercing" rounds. Ive been shooting since i was 4 years old and i have NEVER used either of those rounds. I agree that armor piercing rounds have no place outside of miltiary use.
<chop>
You know there are crazy people who by knives every day right?

No offense at all, but I think your issue is not 'understanding people' rather listening to them. I kept specifying 'military weapons'. I do believe that peeps have the right to have a gun to protect themselves - strongly so, in fact. But not at the expense of innocent peeps' safety.

I was simply stating that military-class weapons (and/or ammo) are more likely to hurt innocent neighbors than less powerful stuff is. Can we not acheive personal safety at home without shooting through walls? I bet there is a comprimise

Knives don't go through drywall. In SF with these old rowhouses (early 1900's) high calibre rounds cut walls like cheese.

I am still curious as to how gun rights and gay marriage rights are comparable from a personal safety/security perspective.

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 7:44 pm

downhill wrote:cyber...it's always been my contention that it won't be a moderately liberal base that takes away gun ownership but one from the fringe left (never been even close to power in this country) or......as you already somewhat noted....the fringe right.

Gun owners....look out...if GW gets appointed for life...and your weapon is registered....expect to loose it. He's saving you from terrorists.

Ya, I don't see Liberals creating a police state -

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 7:45 pm

I believe a shotgun is the best home defense weapon. It wont go through outside walls (if it does, not far enough to harm anyone outside) but at close range (which is home defense) itll anihilate anything you hit. I still think handgun rounds are dangerous as if they hit a window theyll go until they hit something.

RoscoPColtrane · Post by **RoscoPColtrane** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 8:01 pm

cyberskye wrote:No offense at all, but I think your issue is not 'understanding people' rather listening to them. I kept specifying 'military weapons'. I do believe that peeps have the right to have a gun to protect themselves - strongly so, in fact. But not at the expense of innocent peeps' safety.

I was simply stating that military-class weapons (and/or ammo) are more likely to hurt innocent neighbors than less powerful stuff is. Can we not acheive personal safety at home without shooting through walls? I bet there is a comprimise

Knives don't go through drywall. In SF with these old rowhouses (early 1900's) high calibre rounds cut walls like cheese.

I am still curious as to how gun rights and gay marriage rights are comparable from a personal safety/security perspective.

Actually if its a High Calibre low velocity round then it has a better chance of stopping at a thin wall than a low calibre high velocity. and show me some evidence that m16/ar15's are used to kill people more than 9mm handguns are.

I didn't say they had anything to do with safety the have something to do with personal thinking. I think homo marrage is bad, you apparently think guns are bad.....i said that earlier...

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:30 pm

RoscoPColtrane wrote:I think homo marrage is bad, you apparently think guns are bad.....i said that earlier...

cyberskye wrote:I kept specifying 'military weapons'. I do believe that peeps have the right to have a gun to protect themselves - strongly so, in fact. But not at the expense of innocent peeps' safety.

cyberskye wrote:No offense at all, but I think your issue is not 'understanding people' rather listening to them.

Skye

RoscoPColtrane · Post by **RoscoPColtrane** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 10:27 pm

cyberskye wrote:Skye

Wow i guess i got served.....

Btw who gets to decide when peoples safety becomes an issue? personally im gonna be buying an ar-15 one of these days! Are you gonna say that by my owning that its putting people at risk?

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 10:32 pm

RoscoPColtrane wrote:Wow i guess i got served.....

Btw who gets to decide when peoples safety becomes an issue? personally im gonna be buying an ar-15 one of these days! Are you gonna say that by my owning that its putting people at risk?

If you do, get a Bushmaster.

RoscoPColtrane · Post by **RoscoPColtrane** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 10:52 pm

[quote="ScottE"]If you do, get a Bushmaster. ]

Yup i know which one i want too! Its an m4 a3 design with 8 position stock and removable rails!

Should be fun!

Now if only my SKS would get here...

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:05 am

This thread is massive proof that we dont listen. LOL

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:08 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:This thread is massive proof that we dont listen. LOL

Huh?

MissTynker2 · Post by **MissTynker2** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:25 am

Hmmmm....I have a combination I suppose here. A loaded shotgun by the front door...a loaded pistol in my computer desk, not easily seen, a loaded pistol in my bedroom...and my varmit pistol above the mantle loaded with bird shot. This is a pretty good sized home...and no way if I were caught in the back of the house...could I get to most of them fast enough....so the entire house is covered. It is also very very dark in this area...and out in the country. The response time for any law enforcement to get here...is totally scary...unless they just happen to be in the area on another call. Better safer than sorrier...imo.

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:36 am

I rely soley on my nunchaku/nunchuck skills.

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:40 am

MissTynker2 wrote:Hmmmm....I have a combination I suppose here. A loaded shotgun by the front door...a loaded pistol in my computer desk, not easily seen, a loaded pistol in my bedroom...and my varmit pistol above the mantle loaded with bird shot. This is a pretty good sized home...and no way if I were caught in the back of the house...could I get to most of them fast enough....so the entire house is covered. It is also very very dark in this area...and out in the country. The response time for any law enforcement to get here...is totally scary...unless they just happen to be in the area on another call. Better safer than sorrier...imo.

Wow, you just shot thru the roof on the babe-meter with Roscoe & Wee....

Nah, living in a rural area, etc.. with the conditions you described, it is imperative that you are able to protect yourself.

Zilog B · Post by **Zilog B** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:46 am

MissTynker2 wrote:Hmmmm....I have a combination I suppose here. A loaded shotgun by the front door...a loaded pistol in my computer desk, not easily seen, a loaded pistol in my bedroom...and my varmit pistol above the mantle loaded with bird shot. This is a pretty good sized home...and no way if I were caught in the back of the house...could I get to most of them fast enough....so the entire house is covered. It is also very very dark in this area...and out in the country. The response time for any law enforcement to get here...is totally scary...unless they just happen to be in the area on another call. Better safer than sorrier...imo.

HOT

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:53 am

MissTynker2 wrote:Hmmmm....I have a combination I suppose here. A loaded shotgun by the front door...a loaded pistol in my computer desk, not easily seen, a loaded pistol in my bedroom...and my varmit pistol above the mantle loaded with bird shot. This is a pretty good sized home...and no way if I were caught in the back of the house...could I get to most of them fast enough....so the entire house is covered. It is also very very dark in this area...and out in the country. The response time for any law enforcement to get here...is totally scary...unless they just happen to be in the area on another call. Better safer than sorrier...imo.

With so many if a thief robbed you when your not home that would give the him/her/them quite a nice arsenal!

RoscoPColtrane · Post by **RoscoPColtrane** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:28 am

That could make for one bad ass matrix type scene! Unload one pistol while walking at the bastard then pick up another one and go to town again! LMAO!

It is a good idea tho. If i had a house big enough i would be the same way! HOpefully they are hidden well enought that no one would find them and use them on you tho!

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:31 am

RoscoPColtrane wrote:It is a good idea tho. If i had a house big enough i would be the same way! HOpefully they are hidden well enought that no one would find them and use them on you tho!

That would be my biggest worry with having so many hidden, they more that are there, the easier it is to find just one.

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:50 am

MissTynker2 wrote:Hmmmm....I have a combination I suppose here. A loaded shotgun by the front door...a loaded pistol in my computer desk, not easily seen, a loaded pistol in my bedroom...and my varmit pistol above the mantle loaded with bird shot. This is a pretty good sized home...and no way if I were caught in the back of the house...could I get to most of them fast enough....so the entire house is covered. It is also very very dark in this area...and out in the country. The response time for any law enforcement to get here...is totally scary...unless they just happen to be in the area on another call. Better safer than sorrier...imo.

*BOING*

RoscoPColtrane · Post by **RoscoPColtrane** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:48 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:That would be my biggest worry with having so many hidden, they more that are there, the easier it is to find just one.

Yup Yup.

Oh btw I got my SKS in today! its all greased up and nasty (never fired) can't wait to get it cleaned and ready to use! Will get some pix later !

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:26 pm

RoscoPColtrane wrote:Yup Yup.

Oh btw I got my SKS in today! its all greased up and nasty (never fired) can't wait to get it cleaned and ready to use! Will get some pix later !

got my new Nokia phone today...

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:32 pm

my wife was being a total stinky pants dooty head last night and threatened to call my po and get me thrown in jail just cause she was not getting her way ... this morning she continued so i locked her out of our bedroom this morning so i would not have to put up with her and of course to giver her some of her own medy so she got a hammer and put big holes in the door and then said if i did not open the door she would call the cops and my po and tell them i did it and try to get me thrown in jail .. the cops came and lucky for me my brother heard her say the crap about lying to get me into trouble and i di not get into trouble ... is it me or is she evil and maybe trying to get me out of the pic with a possibility that this might tie into whatever has been happening around my house ... sheesh aint life grand ... i knew i should have stuck to my guns and not let her talk me into getting married

RoscoPColtrane · Post by **RoscoPColtrane** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:38 pm

I'm kinda new to this hole marrage thing too. Only been a little over two years, but some of it wasn't together (basic, tech school...blahblah). However if she had to pressure you into marrage and from what she is doing according to that post, i would run screaming if i were you. Chances are its only gonna get worse. If she is threatening to lie to have you tossed in jail, not cool. RUN AWAY!!!

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 5:18 pm

Um, if your with a woman that does what you just said dude, get away. Get away very quickly. Any beaitch who causes physical harm to things then uses blackmail is not someone you need.

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 5:24 pm

Get divorced.

De Plano · Post by **De Plano** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 5:27 pm

Document everything you can and leave her. Do what you can to prove she has been unfaithful if you think she has been.

I bet she checks this forum if she knows you post on it, so she knows what's up.

Good luck

PS. That "taste of her own medicen" is not going to help anything

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 6:39 pm

we are 30 and 31 yo, we started this at 17, but we did not get together until 8 1/2 years ago, and got married this past august 26th. we love each other but i do not know how she can go from totally wanting me one night and then be the most evil person i have ever come across ... it saddens me, i really think it was destiny, fate or something that brought us together .. i guess whatever that force was doesn't mean that it was a good force or for the better ...

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 6:44 pm

Well, your doing it to yourself staying with someone who treats you that way. Its flat out evil, you shouldnt allow that to be done to you. Its understandable because of your history together that you seem unwilling to let go, but were just giving you the logical advice that blind love cant see

Good luck.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:00 pm

wee96 wrote:Well, your doing it to yourself staying with someone who treats you that way. Its flat out evil, you shouldnt allow that to be done to you. Its understandable because of your history together that you seem unwilling to let go, but were just giving you the logical advice that blind love cant see Good luck.

well there is also the tie of my daughter, Shelby Elizabeth, of which i doubt i would get custody of and i always promised her that she would never wake up in the morning living in a different house ... or if something went bump in the night that daddy would drag it outside and kick the crap out of it

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:46 pm

so what do i tell her if i should choose to leave or be made to leave ...

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:48 pm

Its super tough with a child in the mix...but you really shouldnt stay in such a relationship for the child. She is better off if her parents are happier, and unfortunately there are lots of divorces in this world these days. Sucks though, I dont really have too much advice since I dont know the details of everything. You will always be there for your daughter, regardless of being married to her mom or not. Just remember that.

BroncoSport · Post by **BroncoSport** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:36 am

Sounds like your wife might be bi-polar. See if see will go get professional help. Some meds might be able to stabilize her mood swings. If she is just plain crazy than the court might award you custody.

Jamie_R · Post by **Jamie_R** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:49 am

GSXR 750 wrote:well there is also the tie of my daughter, Shelby Elizabeth, of which i doubt i would get custody of and i always promised her that she would never wake up in the morning living in a different house ... or if something went bump in the night that daddy would drag it outside and kick the crap out of it

man that's a tough one ... but with the way your wife is acting, if you document it and have witnesses, you should be able to get custody.

you don't want to leave your daughter with someone like that ...

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:49 am

start being a man. No woman will ever push me around like that. She wears the pants, and that was your downfall. Now pick yourself up, and take care of business.