Children Of Iraq

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:15 am

NWS for language

http://www.theync.com/childrenvideo.htm

Discuss

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:19 am

strange. wonder why they were lining the roads like that?

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:26 am

that's stupid, throwing rocks at trucks, those kids need some discipline

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:07 pm

Guy from my car club posted this:

Ace is mostly right. But when I was in Mosul (northern iraq), we had alot of problems with kids scouting. And if they were actively scouting (while terrorists were shooting at us, and were endangering civilian/soldier's lives, we had full authority to shoot. The ROE states that you can engage forces that endanger life, limb or eyesight, using MINIMAL force necessary. Sometimes, using minimal force isn't always the right/easy thing to do.

But most of the time, when it came to dealing with kids, we just detained them. We had our terp come over and talk to the kids, telling them we would take them to our detention facility and send them off to abu g. Usually it was enough to make them stop. And in the end, the kids respected us more by doing that. Because we didn't beat/kill/molest them like saddam's old regime did.

They are in a war zone, and they have full authority to kill if they feel threatened. But often times, it's not necessary. We did alot more damage to the insurgency by capturing and getting info. Try and reduce collateral damage, and the population will work with/for you. And that's the ultimate goal of iraq. ANd that's why we succeeded so well up North. That's why more than 50% of the population came out for the referendum.

I'm not gonna lie. We did kill innocents. Entire families sometimes. But it was the LAST resort to use deadly force. You don't win over a populace by killing everyone because your scared. That's no excuse. But when you've been hit 72 times by suicide car bombers, you get kinda jumpy. And we only shoot when we've exhausted all of our other options. Then it's because of their own stupidity. (how do you miss a 19 ton stryker anyways?)

So hopefully this might help out with some opinions. THe guys in the video, they were letting out some frustration. Their chain of command needs figure out a way to put an end to the rock throwing. At least let them fire warning shots. Whenever we let out a warning shot, we called it up over the radio so everyone would blast everything in sight.

It's a difficult and stressful situation, trying to determine who's a bad guy, and who's not. But using a little restraint wouldn't hurt.

I think the only times we ever fully opened up on ANYTHING, was during the ambushes we went through. 5 major ambushes, each one a minimum of 2.5 kilometers. Man we just gunned down EVERYTHING. It's war, what do you think is gonna happen?

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:15 pm

that's great feedback, doesn't get more real than that

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:51 am

Brent wrote:that's great feedback, doesn't get more real than that

Yeah its always great to hear about the enemy and everyone else getting killed as well isn't it. Wonderful news. Seek help kiddo.

Jon · Post by **Jon** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:24 am

thepieman wrote:Yeah its always great to hear about the enemy and everyone else getting killed as well isn't it. Wonderful news. Seek help kiddo.

I think you may be the one who should seek help. Maybe a little anger management. You seem to be Johnny on the spot to try and stir the pot, then you bitch when the post is at full boil.

Brent posted "that's great feedback, doesn't get more real than that"

It is great feedback and it does not get any more real, that was a story from one of our soldiers who was there. How can it not be great feedback, he lived it.
It is another side of the story, it may not fit your idea of how things should be, but no need to incite the poster.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:26 am

Children of the corn

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:28 am

In those situations id love to have a WWII flamethrower, theyd very quickly stop throwing rocks at me.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:12 pm

Jon wrote:I think you may be the one who should seek help. Maybe a little anger management. You seem to be Johnny on the spot to try and stir the pot, then you bitch when the post is at full boil.

Brent posted "that's great feedback, doesn't get more real than that"

It is great feedback and it does not get any more real, that was a story from one of our soldiers who was there. How can it not be great feedback, he lived it.
It is another side of the story, it may not fit your idea of how things should be, but no need to incite the poster.

hey man I looked at one of your posts you were one of the first people spouting off to go to the war regardless of what anyone said including the UN and regardless of what evidence. You are the last person I'd listen to about anger management pal. You can join Brent in enjoying stories about the death of innocent people all you want,but It doesn't mean I won't say what I gotta say. Don't you worry about what I say.

Jon wrote:This is the way I see it.

We should go to war with Iraq with or without another UN resolution.

We as Americans can not sit back and let the French, The Germans and the Russians decide when we defend ourselves.

The French have a HUGE!! finiancial stake in Iraq, that is why they are not backing the war effort. In the last gulf war they lost a tremendous amount of money when the imports/exports to and from Iraq stopped.

The Russians and the Germans are trying to exert their power and not let the US be the only real super power.

The French all but called Colin Powell a liar yesterday.

Hans Blix needs to be removed from his position. Someone who is not going to let politics influence his job needs to take the rains. It is not his job to decide if we go to war, it is his job to find what Iraq is hiding. It is his job to determine is Iraq did in fact comply with the original decleration. To this point I don't think he has done that. How long do the inspectors need chase the Iraq army around the to find what they are hiding.

The US offered proof, it is now in Iraq's court to display proofe that we are wrong. That is not Hans Blix's job.

We lost thousands of people when the towers fell. We need to be pro active, not reactive.

The French stated they have not forgotten the sacrifece the US made for them, I say they HAVE!

my 2 cents

sorry if I offended anyone.

Loonatic · Post by **Loonatic** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:09 pm

Jon wrote:I think you may be the one who should seek help. Maybe a little anger management. You seem to be Johnny on the spot to try and stir the pot, then you bitch when the post is at full boil.

Brent posted "that's great feedback, doesn't get more real than that"

It is great feedback and it does not get any more real, that was a story from one of our soldiers who was there. How can it not be great feedback, he lived it.
It is another side of the story, it may not fit your idea of how things should be, but no need to incite the poster.

Well said man. ThePieMan doesnt understand much different than his opinion.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:13 pm

Loonatic wrote:Well said man. ThePieMan doesnt understand much different than his opinion.

w/e you say man.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:13 pm

Pie,

All Brent stated was that the feedback itself from an actual soldier on the frontlines was great, not that the actual story having to kill innocent people is great

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:17 pm

Prey521 wrote:Pie,

All Brent stated was that the feedback itself from an actual soldier on the frontlines was great, not that the actual story having to kill innocent people is great

Well its not great when you read something like that. If you think killing everyone is great man I dunno what to say.

I'm not gonna lie. We did kill innocents. Entire families sometimes.

Man we just gunned down EVERYTHING. It's war, what do you think is gonna happen?

Thats friggin Sad..there is nothing great about it.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:27 pm

This is sad for our soldiers and the people of Iraq.

What is sad is this Iraq war is not any different then the Crusades from hundreds of years ago. It a shame that a few leaders can cause all this destruction and mindless killing.

Bastid · Post by **Bastid** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:45 pm

thepieman wrote:

Thats friggin Sad..there is nothing great about it.

whats sad is, you get to hear about it...what the hell do you think happened in vietnam, WW2, any major/minor war? All of that stuff happened then... you just didnt have the media in with the troops recording everything, and only telling the side of the story that would sell/shock the most. twisting everything that happened and making it sound worse than it already was. Have you seen some of the **** that THEY(they meaning the ppl we are fighting) do? I have...and if you havnt then go to orgish sometime and catch up on what is really going on. Shame on you...i know you dont support the pres. thats fine... but when you bash everything all the time, no matter the subject, its starts killing morale, and ppl start not to want to support our SOLDIERS, not the person that put them there, but the people that NEED our support. Sure Bush told us some BS so that we would have to go over there, but hey, news flash... somebody needed to go there anyway.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:48 pm

stop comparing Iraq to WW2...really getting tired of that.

Huge difference between hitler invading half of Europe and Saddam..plus dont forget Pearl harbor.

As far as vietnam we all know that was a mistake as well

Bastid · Post by **Bastid** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:50 pm

Augustus wrote:stop comparing Iraq to WW2...really getting tired of that.

Huge difference between hitler invading half of Europe and Saddam..plus dont forget Pearl harbor.

As far as vietnam we all know that was a mistake as well

the only comparison that i made was in refference to the media not being there...

Loonatic · Post by **Loonatic** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:52 pm

thepieman wrote:Well its not great when you read something like that. If you think killing everyone is great man I dunno what to say.

Thats friggin Sad..there is nothing great about it.

Oh god, give it a rest. Do you still hold your mommy's hand?

Bastid · Post by **Bastid** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:53 pm

dont get me wrong dude, i think nam was a mistake as well, im just stating that we see so much because of the media...the stuff that goes on in war has always been there, weve just never had it so easily available to access before. this is why everyone is so easily able to bash the sodiers because they get to see what its really like in War...

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:58 pm

Bastid wrote:whats sad is, you get to hear about it...what the hell do you think happened in vietnam, WW2, any major/minor war? All of that stuff happened then... you just didnt have the media in with the troops recording everything, and only telling the side of the story that would sell/shock the most. twisting everything that happened and making it sound worse than it already was. Have you seen some of the **** that THEY(they meaning the ppl we are fighting) do? I have...and if you havnt then go to orgish sometime and catch up on what is really going on. Shame on you...i know you dont support the pres. thats fine... but when you bash everything all the time, no matter the subject, its starts killing morale, and ppl start not to want to support our SOLDIERS, not the person that put them there, but the people that NEED our support. Sure Bush told us some BS so that we would have to go over there, but hey, news flash... somebody needed to go there anyway.

You are right it is starting to sound like Vietnam and in Vietnam it turned out that the longer we stayed the more damage happened to our boys and the people there. When we began to pull out, it wasn't as bad as people thought it would be. The sooner we get out of Iraq the better. There have been over 2000 deaths of american soldiers, Thousands wounded and crippled for life, no telling how many are going to need counseling yet as the numbers are still coming in, and thousands and thousands of Iraqis dead, plus now on top of all that recently Secret prisons,Abu Ghraib,Stolen Money, Contractor scandals, Paid media news releases, Phospherous being used... things are not getting better there they are getting worse. I understand what you are trying to say but if you do a little reading you will see that things are not what they seem. Our world image is shot to hell, Hospitals, schools, highways are not being rebuilt or improved.
We went there to find WOMD's, they werent there, we changed to Freeing the Iraqi people and what they got was more of what they had before and then some. I support the Americans there but I do not support the war or the people prolonging it.

Pie

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:02 pm

Loonatic wrote:Oh god, give it a rest. Do you still hold your mommy's hand?

I think you needed some more of that.

I guess your still pissed that I called you on your ability to be a cop. You've heard it from a lot of people...sorry if you are still upset. It had to be said yet again since you insist on making careless irresponsible statements.

Bastid · Post by **Bastid** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:02 pm

im glad that with this war we took sadam out of power and got the ball rolling...and yes, i believe we need to get out and let them take care of their own... if we dont then they will depend on us for ever, and that cant happen.

Loonatic · Post by **Loonatic** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:06 pm

thepieman wrote:I think you needed some more of that.

I guess your still pissed that I called you on your ability to be a cop. You've heard it from a lot of people...sorry if you are still upset. It had to be said yet again since you insist on making careless irresponsible statements.

Yes, I constantly remind myself every 60 seconds approximately about how you made a lame comment on an internet forum and I totally let it disrupt my day.

You're the only one to make such a comment to me. In real life, such as not on the internet, I have people asking me how much longer I have to go, because it will be nice to see me in uniform. Sorry I dont fit your online dating personality.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:13 pm

Bastid wrote:im glad that with this war we took sadam out of power and got the ball rolling...and yes, i believe we need to get out and let them take care of their own... if we dont then they will depend on us for ever, and that cant happen.

Well we are Americans, not all of the Iraqi's feel that way, and it wasn't our duty to remove him. As I have said before Israel does the same thing to the Palestinians when they do anything that threatens the security of their nation, and no one has called them on that since 1949, missles , bombs, tanks are routinely used to kill not only the terrorists but innocent people as well. Palestinian terrorists are held in Israeli jails and abused for years, and here we are talking about 128 people that Saddam Hussein supposedly did horrible things to. He was found guilty before he even had a trial. No where in this country do we have witnesses hidden behind curtains in any court of law, even in the most dangerous of criminal court cases, we have always had the right to face your accuser. We already see that there is some internal conflict between the 2 factions, so who is to say this is not just a vengance. There is going to be legal problems when all of this is said and done.

Pie

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:19 pm

Loonatic wrote:You're the only one to make such a comment to me.

Sorry I dont fit your online dating personality.

Im not the only one to make such a comment to you...you have gone off on someone before here as well when they called you on it. I don't need to lie.
Calling me a homo the last time just because I posted in your thread because I disagreed with you just proves a point that you are definitly incapable of being a cop. You definitly have a homophobic racist streak in you. I hope it comes out in the psyche test before you hurt someone.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:19 pm

thepieman wrote:Yeah its always great to hear about the enemy and everyone else getting killed as well isn't it. Wonderful news. Seek help kiddo.

Whoa, now hold on there buddy. I didn't say killing was great, I said the feedback was great, as in getting the news from a soldier that was actually there and is telling us good inside information. You really can't trust the media these days, it is great getting feedback from a soldier who was actually there.

Bastid · Post by **Bastid** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:22 pm

thepieman wrote:Well we are Americans, not all of the Iraqi's feel that way, and it wasn't our duty to remove him. As I have said before Israel does the same thing to the Palestinians when they do anything that threatens the security of their nation, and no one has called them on that since 1949, missles , bombs, tanks are routinely used to kill not only the terrorists but innocent people as well. Palestinian terrorists are held in Israeli jails and abused for years, and here we are talking about 128 people that Saddam Hussein supposedly did horrible things to. He was found guilty before he even had a trial. No where in this country do we have witnesses hidden behind curtains in any court of law, even in the most dangerous of criminal court cases, we have always had the right to face your accuser. We already see that there is some internal conflict between the 2 factions, so who is to say this is not just a vengance. There is going to be legal problems when all of this is said and done.

Pie

you are correct, it wasnt our duty...it was all of the nations duty to remove him... he was an evil human and his kids were no better, im assuming they only have evidence on the 128...because what about the warehouse they found full of bodies...what about the mass graves...he didnt do it personally, but he had a hand in it. and i thought he was being tried by some other country, not the US...

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:26 pm

Brent wrote:Whoa, now hold on there buddy. I didn't say killing was great, I said the feedback was great, as in getting the news from a soldier that was actually there and is telling us good inside information. You really can't trust the media these days, it is great getting feedback from a soldier who was actually there.

Well you know what before you say something is great you should read the article thoroughly. Not everything coming from a soldiers point of view is good either. Showing kids all happy and making peace signs getting candy is all fine for you but then when you see them throwing rocks and then you they need discipline. Maybe their mother and father just got killed and they were one of those innocent families? They are kids. You don't need to kill kids with rocks.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:29 pm

I'm sorry you don't understand what I meant with my post pieman, I have made my it as clear as I can.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:34 pm

Bastid wrote:you are correct, it wasnt our duty...it was all of the nations duty to remove him... he was an evil human and his kids were no better, im assuming they only have evidence on the 128...because what about the warehouse they found full of bodies...what about the mass graves...he didnt do it personally, but he had a hand in it. and i thought he was being tried by some other country, not the US...

If we are going to hold this guy responsible for all this, then what will the international body say about our President and all these secret prisons, innocent people being kidnapped, abu gharib prison, the thousands being held in Guantanamo without any legal representation or access to Red Cross/Humanitarian organizations, chemical weapons, lying about WOMD's being present to wage a war and illegally enter a country and depose its president?
Why is it that we can blame the Soldiers in Abu Gharib prison but Saddam Hussein who wasn't even present by the testimony of the witnesses themselves can be held responsible for what happened in his prisons?

The Nobel Peace prize winner took 1 hour of his speech time to condemn our country for what its doing, nations are pulling out their support, and we have made more enemies with more people in the World of Islam then we had before.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:44 pm

Bastid
If you like here are a couple of links that you may find interesting and they make some good points.

Arguing about the War
The Top Ten Reasons for Staying in (Leaving) Iraq
http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=41214

This article has some insight on how other Countries are viewing this.

War crimes made easy
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GL08Ak02.html

Loonatic · Post by **Loonatic** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:17 pm

thepieman wrote:Im not the only one to make such a comment to you...you have gone off on someone before here as well when they called you on it. I don't need to lie.
Calling me a homo the last time just because I posted in your thread because I disagreed with you just proves a point that you are definitly incapable of being a cop. You definitly have a homophobic racist streak in you. I hope it comes out in the psyche test before you hurt someone.

Umm....HAHHAHAHAHHAH!!!!!!!!! That had me rolling on the floor man, thanks, I needed the laugh HAHAHHAHAHHA

Yeap, me labeling you a homosexual definitely means I cant be a cop. Must be the homophobia inside of me right? I might just hurt someone with my homophobia! Oh no! HAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!

BaghDaddy · Post by **BaghDaddy** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:26 pm

Hello to SG;

Stopping in i could not resist to post toward this video.

I have nothing but pure respect for the soldiers that did not take a shot at the kids throwing the rocks at the convoy; as per the ROE "Rules of Engagement" any form of threat towards yourself, your fellow soldiers or equipment deadly forced is allowed.

Yes the soldier stated that his Top "First Sergeant" stated that they can not fire at the children which is the right thing to brief your soldiers in the OPORDER.

Know lets all stop and think;

1. Maybe they are placed there throwing rocks for money to make an incident happen that will make the media. PSYOP warfare, and once that happens the global media will be all over it.

2. Having been hit and saw other pounded by rocks i swear the blunt shock trauma from the rocks hurt like a MOFO, i would rather take a round instead of the blunt shock trauma the rock causes. But that is just my humble opinion.

As for bashing Bush, well if my memory is still working well, the Senate gave him all the resources and backed him to start the fight against terrorism. Along with the populace backing him during this time to start the war against terrorism.

Yes it has turned into a meat grinder over here, and the Soldiers, Marines, Airmen and other MNFI "Multi National Forces Iraq" are doing a great job adjusting to the type of warfare it has turned into the past year here.

Either way we go now will be wrong IMHO, we stirred the hornets nest and they are stinging us here.

Most of you here know that I am against pulling out without finishing the mission first.

The question of whether or not we're fighting a war on terror is a good one, and should be more than rhetorical. As is the question of whether it's even possible to win such a "war on terror." It isn’t all that different from trying to win the "War on Poverty:" Sounds nice, but not something I'd bet the paycheck on winning.

But, regardless, you can no more say it was started by "Islamic people" than you can say the Holocaust was what we Christians did to the Jews.
Epistemologically it just doesn't work that way. You can't hold the masses accountable for the crimes of a few. Hell, Timothy McVeigh killed hundreds in Oklahoma, but we aren't punishing everyone from his home town for it...

Are the thousands who die of preventable starvation each day, or the hundreds who die from AIDS each day due to high-priced patented meds being unavailable any less outrageous and offensive to us?

What about the 10,000 Muslims slaughtered in Srebrenica because we (the international community) couldn't get our heads out of our arses long enough to act decisively?

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:36 pm

Loonatic wrote:Umm....HAHHAHAHAHHAH!!!!!!!!! That had me rolling on the floor man, thanks, I needed the laugh HAHAHHAHAHHA

Yeap, me labeling you a homosexual definitely means I cant be a cop. Must be the homophobia inside of me right? I might just hurt someone with my homophobia! Oh no! HAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!

well a homophobic will definitly not be one to protect citizens that might be homosexuals, and making statements like "Its one less of 'Them' to worry about" when a white rapper kills himself is hardly anything anyone would ever want to protect their rights. To be honest with you, I meant it as a rib at first when I said "I tell you like I tell my friends that its scary to think of you with a gun", but honestly after i saw your reply and the way you are acting because someone pointed out how you were, you really are a spiteful person who really has no business protecting other people or carrying a gun. I'd love to see you act like that when you take the psych test to become a cop...you wont go very far.

Loonatic · Post by **Loonatic** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:41 pm

thepieman wrote:well a homophobic will definitly not be one to protect citizens that might be homosexuals, and making statements like "Its one less of 'Them' to worry about" when a white rapper kills himself is hardly anything anyone would ever want to protect their rights. To be honest with you, I meant it as a rib at first when I said "I tell you like I tell my friends that its scary to think of you with a gun", but honestly after i saw your reply and the way you are acting because someone pointed out how you were, you really are a spiteful person who really has no business protecting other people or carrying a gun. I'd love to see you act like that when you take the psych test to become a cop...you wont go very far.

Numbnuts, lets get some stuff straight here. Talking on an internet forum, bsing with friends and co-workers is much different than taking a psych test.

Now Ill say this again, and with a bit of Jerry Springer: You DONT know me, one bit. Save your judgment until you meet me in person, and actually get to know me. Just do me a favor and keep your hands off me and my gun, for the love of god

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:52 pm

Loonatic wrote:Numbnuts, lets get some stuff straight here. Talking on an internet forum, bsing with friends and co-workers is much different than taking a psych test.

Now Ill say this again, and with a bit of Jerry Springer: You DONT know me, one bit. Save your judgment until you meet me in person, and actually get to know me. Just do me a favor and keep your hands off me and my gun, for the love of god

keep stickin your foot in your mouth. every one of your jabs make you look more and more like a responsible person by the minute and not a little teeny bopper with no clue

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:15 pm

BaghDaddy wrote:Hello to SG]
Hey BD welcome back and glad to see that you are safe and sound.

Yes your memory does serve correctly in that Senate did back the Bush Administration on this as well as the public as you can see by Jon's quoted thread from 2003 but the fact of the matter is the evidence that was given that formulated these opinions was not at all factual. Its been proven already. It was all scare tactics intended to drive an already reeling America to war with a country that had no Nuclear , no chemical and no terrorist training camps that threatened the USA whatsoever. You can say that Al-Queda is there but they were not there before, you guys were fighting Iraqi Soldiers and his Royal Guards that were put down rather quickly. It wasn't till later that people started creeping over the borders and began the attacks.

Are the thousands who die of preventable starvation each day, or the hundreds who die from AIDS each day due to high-priced patented meds being unavailable any less outrageous and offensive to us?

No and thats the shame of it. Instead of wasting over 280billion dollars on an unproductive war we could be using the money to not only make life better for ourselves, improve our border security and help out all the 3rd world nations to end poverty and hunger we are wasting it on corrupt contractors and already rich corporations that are supplying the war machine, while killing our own economy and hurting the corporate images of thousands of American companies based overseas...eventually it will all trickle down and affect us all in the long run when Europeans and Asians protest against us and not patronize the multinational companies. Its already starting to show in many of the larger companies such as Hewlett Packard , Mcdonalds and several others who are complaining of such things.

What about the 10,000 Muslims slaughtered in Srebrenica because we (the international community) couldn't get our heads out of our arses long enough to act decisively?

And now here we are again killing more Islamic people instead of trying to win them over through through diplomacy and humanitarian aid and showing them that the terrorists are wrong about us. More Islamic people are agreeing with them then ever before and there is data to prove it. The USA is not making more friends from these people by the actions we are taking. We are distancing more of them every day. We complain Saddam Hussein was mistreating his people, and yet we are doing the same thing to thousands of alleged terrorists internationally (alleged in that they have yet to be found guilty in a court of law) sitting in prisons for a couple of years now. Those little kids throwing rocks now will be the adults tomorrow throwing hand grenades or hiding bombs in their shoes later. Its something to consider in the longrun.

Pie

Jon · Post by **Jon** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:48 pm

thepieman wrote:hey man I looked at one of your posts you were one of the first people spouting off to go to the war regardless of what anyone said including the UN and regardless of what evidence. You are the last person I'd listen to about anger management pal. You can join Brent in enjoying stories about the death of innocent people all you want,but It doesn't mean I won't say what I gotta say. Don't you worry about what I say.

you truly are piece of work. You must have a lot of free time to search the boards to find one post in many that fits you agenda.

Why don't you read the intent of the post jackass instead of trying to twist it to fit you agenda.

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:59 pm

Jon wrote:you truly are piece of work. You must have a lot of free time to search the boards to find one post in many that fits you agenda.

Why don't you read the intent of the post jackass instead of trying to twist it to fit you agenda.

i think its opposite

not him,YOU