New XBOX Game

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:50 pm

Just in time for Christmas

Massa · Post by **Massa** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:54 pm

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:03 pm

Was just at whitehouse.gov and this was Clintons biography there

During the administration of William Jefferson Clinton, the U.S. enjoyed more peace and economic well being than at any time in its history. He was the first Democratic president since Franklin D. Roosevelt to win a second term. He could point to the lowest unemployment rate in modern times, the lowest inflation in 30 years, the highest home ownership in the country's history, dropping crime rates in many places, and reduced welfare roles. He proposed the first balanced budget in decades and achieved a budget surplus. As part of a plan to celebrate the millennium in 2000, Clinton called for a great national initiative to end racial discrimination

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http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/bc42.html

I wonder what this Presidents Biography will read like?

During the administration of GW Bush, the U.S. enjoyed more war and economic downfall than at any time in its history. He was the first Republican president since Franklin D. Roosevelt to win a second term through voter fraud. He could point to the highest unemployment rate in modern times, the highest inflation in 30 years, ,rising crime rates in many places, and increased corporate welfare roles. He proposed the first unbalanced budget in decades and achieved a budget deficet. As part of a plan to celebrate the millennium in 2001, Bush called for a great national initiative to begin racial discrimination.

Look for it soon

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:00 am

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:14 am

Prey521 wrote:Yawn

Thats off the Whitehouse site itself bro..take it for what its worth. Its right there in black and white. The stats speak for themselves regardless of a blowjob or not. We should only hope for more times like that then more times like the ones we have.

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:21 am

thepieman wrote:Thats off the Whitehouse site itself bro..take it for what its worth. Its right there in black and white. The stats speak for themselves regardless of a blowjob or not. We should only hope for more times like that then more times like the ones we have.

You sir are an asshat.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:23 am

thepieman wrote:Thats off the Whitehouse site itself bro..take it for what its worth. Its right there in black and white. The stats speak for themselves regardless of a blowjob or not. We should only hope for more times like that then more times like the ones we have.

Yes, I hope for more times of military reduction and liberal appeasement as well.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:23 am

ScottE wrote:You sir are an asshat.

Coming from a really big one..I take that as a compliment.

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:29 am

thepieman wrote:Coming from a really big one..I take that as a compliment.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:38 am

ScottE wrote:Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Believe me...your comments are nothing dude. I survived 44 years without you and it'll be another 44 years more . I sleep fine and non-liquor induced I might add. I never said a thing to you but if you wanna try it..go right ahead. You don't like my way of thinking the ignore button is right there for ya to use. You or your pals can feel free to do the same.

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:46 am

Clinton got out of office just in time. The .com bubble was going to burst when people realized that holy **** these companies are loosing $100 milliion a year yet their stock keeps rising! Something isn't right here. Trying to extrapolate that some how Bush is responsible for all that is wrong with this country is a bunch of hogwash.

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:47 am

thepieman wrote:Believe me...your comments are nothing dude. I survived 44 years without you and it'll be another 44 years more . I sleep fine and non-liquor induced I might add. I never said a thing to you but if you wanna try it..go right ahead. You don't like my way of thinking the ignore button is right there for ya to use. You or your pals can feel free to do the same.

Your posts speak for themself. You rarely if ever have anything positive to say about this country.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:53 am

ScottE wrote:Your posts speak for themself. You rarely if ever have anything positive to say about this country.

i dont recall him saying anything negative about this country....only critzing our political leaders...last i checked it is patriotic to do that..our founding fathers expects us to question

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:57 am

Augustus wrote:i dont recall him saying anything negative about this country....only critzing our political leaders...last i checked it is patriotic to do that..our founding fathers expects us to question

Patriotism has nothing to do with questioning anything. It has to do with standing up and fighting for the principles the country was founded on. His posts are all negative against the administration no matter what they do.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:59 am

ScottE wrote:Patriotism has nothing to do with questioning anything. It has to do with standing up and fighting for the principles the country was founded on.

that is your definition...but i disagree.

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:01 am

Augustus wrote:that is your definition...but i disagree.

Seems like Dictionary.com is on my side.

patriotism

n : love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it

patriot

n : one who loves and defends his or her country

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:04 am

ScottE wrote:Seems like Dictionary.com is on my side.

patriotism

n : love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it

patriot

n : one who loves and defends his or her country

doesnt say anything about defending our politicians...

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:18 am

ScottE wrote:Your posts speak for themself. You rarely if ever have anything positive to say about this country.

Hey dude I love America. Just because I don't like whats going on doesn't mean crap. Don't try to play games by mincing my words to make yourself right buddy you can emulate your commander and chief all you want just don't try to put your crappy words in my mouth. Free Country my ass with people like you floating around.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:20 am

ScottE wrote:Seems like Dictionary.com is on my side.

patriotism

n : love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it

patriot

n : one who loves and defends his or her country

Your side is not my side.You don't speak for me nor will your kind ever speak for me.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:37 am

ScottE wrote:Clinton got out of office just in time. The .com bubble was going to burst when people realized that holy **** these companies are loosing $100 milliion a year yet their stock keeps rising! Something isn't right here. Trying to extrapolate that some how Bush is responsible for all that is wrong with this country is a bunch of hogwash.

You are free to believe whatever you want, but its the Presidents job to keep us out of problems like that, and so far he hasn't done anything to dig us out of the quagmire the bubble created, he has dug us only deeper by expanding a hunt for a terrorist into a war thats costing US Taxpayers BILLIONS of $. So you can blame Clinto all you like, but THIS PRESIDENT who has been in power for over 4 years hasn't done anything to fix the mess for us that he did inherit. He fixed Corporate americas problems just fine tho..Exxon is having a GREAT year and so is Haliburton! Thats not America.

CiscoKid · Post by **CiscoKid** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:38 am

Augustus wrote:i dont recall him saying anything negative about this country....only critzing our political leaders...last i checked it is patriotic to do that..our founding fathers expects us to question

I was always under the impression that our "Freedome of Speach and our Free Press" was a means of the people to be allowed to speak out against injustices they saw without fear of reprisal from the government?

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:41 am

CiscoKid wrote:

I was always under the impression that our "Freedome of Speach and our Free Press" was a means of the people to be allowed to speak out against injustices they saw without fear of reprisal from the government?

I guess its just another perk of our current administration and its supporters.
Thank God theres only 30% left and couple more years to go of them.

CiscoKid · Post by **CiscoKid** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:42 am

ScottE wrote:Seems like Dictionary.com is on my side.

patriotism

n : love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it

patriot

n : one who loves and defends his or her country

Sometimes being a patriot means speaking out against your leaders or even going as far as taking action against such leaders, such as open revolts. Wasn't that why we really have the right to bare arms and for militias?

CiscoKid · Post by **CiscoKid** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:45 am

thepieman wrote:I guess its just another perk of our current administration and its supporters.
Thank God theres only 30% left and couple more years to go of them.

what I fear is if it reaches 0% before the end of his term...MANY things I see happening are reminiscent of what's happened before a citizen uprising. All that seems to be lacking is a strong cohesive force to unit the many groups and a call to action...durring the 2000 campaigns, I repeated said Bush would lead us to war...and what's he done?

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:53 am

thepieman wrote:You are free to believe whatever you want, but its the Presidents job to keep us out of problems like that, and so far he hasn't done anything to dig us out of the quagmire the bubble created, he has dug us only deeper by expanding a hunt for a terrorist into a war thats costing US Taxpayers BILLIONS of $. So you can blame Clinto all you like, but THIS PRESIDENT who has been in power for over 4 years hasn't done anything to fix the mess for us that he did inherit. He fixed Corporate americas problems just fine tho..Exxon is having a GREAT year and so is Haliburton! Thats not America.

You are free to believe that having somebody else in office would change anything if you wish. All of these guys are one in the same, once they get into office it's all about helping either themselves or their buddies. It doesn't matter Republican, Democrat, it doesn't matter. The only thing that changes is which side bitches more.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 2:09 am

ScottE wrote:You are free to believe that having somebody else in office would change anything if you wish. All of these guys are one in the same, once they get into office it's all about helping either themselves or their buddies. It doesn't matter Republican, Democrat, it doesn't matter. The only thing that changes is which side bitches more.

Scotte I don't think there has been any helping of anyone on such a massive scale before in our entire history as a nation. Billions and Billions of dollars going to something that was WAY out of the scope of the root of all this. 3000 people died and still no justice has been done getting the fabricator of that massacre. You think terrorism has waned? You think Saddam Hussein and freedom of his people have helped that? Let him out of Jail and see if those ignorant meatheads don't re-elect him back. A good investor will sell his stock before bankruptcy and we have a lot of inside info. We should be using it to sell our stock in that crappy company before it takes us all down the tubes. Its causing strife here in the US, and its causing strife all over the globe. We have always been a country that people could look up to and now its not. Its his job as President of the United States to make sure that things like this do not happen and to represent us properly as a proud nation , not seperate us internally and externally from everone else.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 2:19 am

CiscoKid wrote:what I fear is if it reaches 0% before the end of his term...MANY things I see happening are reminiscent of what's happened before a citizen uprising. All that seems to be lacking is a strong cohesive force to unit the many groups and a call to action...durring the 2000 campaigns, I repeated said Bush would lead us to war...and what's he done?

You know what...I think thats in the back of everyone elses mind right now on top of everything else. As a leader this guy is the worst ever, the statistics prove it, his politics prove it and his actions prove it over and over again. He has only ever gained confidence through disguise and thats about it. Smoke and mirrors and its all coming out as all the rats start jumping ship. Have you ever seen so much negative news about corruption and lies before? Watergate was 1 subject, Iran Contra another, White water investigation, The Clinton Affair, but to have multiple scandals, one after the other and to keep allowing it to happen...something is gonna burst somewhere. We aren't the providers we used to be , china seems to be taking that station. People are not gonna tolerate us for too much longer if we aren't holding the cards anymore.

Pie

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 2:19 am

thepieman wrote:Scotte I don't think there has been any helping of anyone on such a massive scale before in our entire history as a nation. Billions and Billions of dollars going to something that was WAY out of the scope of the root of all this. 3000 people died and still no justice has been done getting the fabricator of that massacre. You think terrorism has waned? You think Saddam Hussein and freedom of his people have helped that? Let him out of Jail and see if those ignorant meatheads don't re-elect him back. A good investor will sell his stock before bankruptcy and we have a lot of inside info. We should be using it to sell our stock in that crappy company before it takes us all down the tubes. Its causing strife here in the US, and its causing strife all over the globe. We have always been a country that people could look up to and now its not. Its his job as President of the United States to make sure that things like this do not happen and to represent us properly as a proud nation , not seperate us internally and externally from everone else.

I don't think things are as bad as you make them seem. And last I read it the paper it was 2000 some men and women had given their lives in Iraq and I'm not sure about Afghanistan but that's a mute point. It's also hard to get a good read on what is going on in Iraq and how the Iraqi's feel about us being there without actually being there and talking to the average Joe on the street. And seeing as how Sadam's lawyers have been killed and Sadam and his henchmen have been recieving death threats in jail I don't think they will be reelecting him anytime soon.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 2:37 am

ScottE wrote:I don't think things are as bad as you make them seem. And last I read it the paper it was 2000 some men and women had given their lives in Iraq and I'm not sure about Afghanistan but that's a mute point. It's also hard to get a good read on what is going on in Iraq and how the Iraqi's feel about us being there without actually being there and talking to the average Joe on the street. And seeing as how Sadam's lawyers have been killed and Sadam and his henchmen have been recieving death threats in jail I don't think they will be reelecting him anytime soon.

as *I* make them seem? Am I the one doing all this stuff Scotte? Am I writing all these articles? 2000 men and women that have died IN IRAQ they are not counting the ones that die on the way to Germany after being wounded, as a matter of fact the don't even release any numbers of deaths, this is going by groups that are trying to keep a running tally of the deaths. The pentagon refuses to release accurate figures. Another 11 Marines died in Operation Shank today so add that to the numbers too.
As far as saddams lawyers getting killed and the protests you see..its all about religion, its Sunni -vs- Shiite and vendetta for those people he killed for attempted assasination. The death threats are all part of that. His supporters are still his supporters and nothing has changed. Those people loved him. Just because they are arabs makes them no different from you or me. We all have our opinions, you like Bush and I don't, and they do the same there. Those people are going to always think that we took their leader away from them and they are gonna fight to try to get him back. Wait till their elections come up...there is gonna be fireworks before, during and after.
This was something we never should have involved ourselves in. Their religious beliefs will always come before our democratic ways.

Pie

Jon · Post by **Jon** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:27 am

thepieman,

What do you suggest we do now?

Do we pack up and leave? or do we see this thing through?

What about Isreal, maybe we should let Isreal and Iran settle it.

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:25 am

If the american military wanted to overtake Iraq, they could of easily done it when they first invaded. There is a much more sinister senario. The goal was not to over take Iraq. The fact is, the people in office are corrupt, but they are also controlled by much more powerful people and enities behind the scenes. If this NWO, which is no joke, (even U.S. presidents are proclaiming its blessing) the U.S must give up its nationalism. It is a conditional process.
False elections, corrupt govt., needless wars, false terriost attacks (only a few diehards believe bin-laden/911)... eventually people demand change, are willing to accept whatever those changes may be. It is the formula of mind control called-
Problem-Reaction-Solution...

I support Pieman and others who question authority. They want the people to lay down and throw up their arms. It is called "Ordo Ab Chao"-- which means-
"Order Out of Chaos". Anyone in here who is a 33rd degree mason or higher knows exactly what I mean. It is the symbol of the 33rd degree and a skull & bones principle. The Phoenix, rising from the ashes, from the chaos is the symbol. It is a principle of ritual and chaos majik.

"All truth passes through 3 stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
-- Arthur Schopenhauer

Jon wrote:thepieman,

What do you suggest we do now?

Do we pack up and leave? or do we see this thing through?

What about Isreal, maybe we should let Isreal and Iran settle it.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:35 am

Jon wrote:thepieman,

What do you suggest we do now?

Do we pack up and leave? or do we see this thing through?

What about Isreal, maybe we should let Isreal and Iran settle it.

I think if we stay its going to make things worse. If we are left there alone, its going to be extremely expensive. I think we need to release the prisoners that aren't Al Queda and we definitly have to see the outcome of Saddam Hussein's trial. If he is found not guilty , would that not negate our pulling him from power? Legally wouldn't it put the President of The USA open to charges that he invaded a sovereign nation and ousted a legitimate government head? I mean since the reason for going in there now was shifted from WOMD to removal of a madman who massacred thousands and he's found not guilty of killing 150, what does that mean for the person deposing him from power?

As far as Israel and Iran goes...Israel gotta own up and they gotta end their Nuke program if they want Iran to stop theirs. As far as the Middle East is concerned, Israel was the first country with any type of covert nuclear program and thats been since the early 70's. If they insist that they have no program in Dimona as they have done before I think that Iran has every right to equalize itself. Everyone knows they have nuclear capabilities so why the need for a front? Iran has perfect landscape for Nuclear use as they can locate a nuke plant far from any population and its cheap clean energy. I see nothing wrong with it.