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[Prey521]

That's what I said, only you said it prettier

Sorry, I was in the middle of typing it when I received a call, so you beat me this time

[David]

It doesn't matter whether you're born gay or not. I don't believe that one is. Even if one is, it doesn't make it OK to act out on your homosexual tendencies. The same way some people are prone to more violence/rage, one has to ask Gd to to deliver you from that.

For a Judeo-CHristian-Islamic perspective you are correct. We may have homocidal tendancies, but a society based on common weal cannot condone such behavior. Still, I question whether homosexuality in the Biblical sense was not misunderstood, like leprosy. Rather than a mark of evil, it has been recognized as a disease and we no longer damn the afflicted. Could you offer an opinion as to why homosexuality (NOT to be confused with promiscuity) is a detriment to society?


BTW.... Hurrah... a restrained discussion, well done.

[David]

Are there also different sects of Judism?

Absolutely! Especially in the time of Jesus, there were a variety of perspectives on the practice of Judaism. Yeshua was of the Essene sect (for a Christian perspective. These ancient groups were at odds with each other moreso than Jewish groups are today (courtesy of common enemies).

All true Christian "sects" have several things in common. We believe alike in the big things, it's the little things that we differ on.

I can only speak to what I believe. Here are a few:

1. Jesus is my LORD
2. The Bible is 100% true.
3. The Bible is the inspired Word of God.
4. Jesus is the ONLY way to get to Heaven.
5. The Lake of Fire is the only Alternative to Heaven,
6. Christ is returning very soon.

As to which books were included and which were not, I would suggest you read some good bible history books. This is not the place, as I would have to type a book.

Cya,

Ric

Do you consider both the Old and New Testament as the inspired word of G-D?


I have several issues with the Christian point of view, however I respect their sense of charity and community.

[Ghosthunter]

I would like people to read this link. This is from a Rabbi who does not believe the hebrew bible condems homosexuality that we know of today. he exaplains his reasonings based what the verses say in hebrew and his studies:

http://home.earthlink.net/~ecorebbe/id18.html

I am curious how many will actually read it? Whether or not you agree, please read it.

here is an excerpt:

As a result of this research, Rabbi Caudill is completely convinced that THE ORIGINAL HEBREW TEXTS OF THE TORAH (the Hebrew Five Books of Moses) HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH HOMOSEXUALITY AS WE UNDERSTAND HOMOSEXUALITY TODAY!

Sadly, the reality of our historical time period is that the texts of Leviticus (and Deuteronomy) which were utilized by the teachers and rabbis of the Jewish religious tradition to condemn homosexuality, were utilized under a direct and constant danger and THREAT from the dominant and controlling Christian governmental and ecclesiastical authorities.

This period of the condemnation of homosexuals, witches, healers, and heritics took place mostely in the 4th to 6th centuries of the common era (CE), which was about 1500 years after the original text was codified in the Hebrew Torah.

The reason that this late date coercion took place was that the theologians and ecclesiastical authorities of the Christian Church, as the supersession of the House of Israel from the Jews to the Christians, needed to have the "perceived" Jewish interpretation of the texts, as taught by the Jewish rabbinical authorities, to be in accordance with their own commentaries and teachings on homosexuality and what they believed (falsely) to be sexual perversion. Thus, they kept a close watch on what the Jewish rabbis wrote about subjects sensitive to Church dogma.

It is within the Hebrew Torah readings of Achare Mot (Leviticus 16: 1-18: 30) and Kedosheem (Leviticus 19: 1-20: 27) that are found the particular verses utilized for the past sixteen hundred years, by both Jewish and Christian fundamentalist teachers to erroneously (and purposefully) persecute, torture and punish a small portion of the human population.

These specific texts read:

(1) Leviticus 18: 22; which states: "V-et zachar lo tishkav mishkevey eeshah toeyvah hee." [Do not lie (sexually) with a male like as you would with a woman, since this is an idolatrous abomination (TOEYVAH)].

And:

(2) Leviticus 20: 13, which states: "V-eesh asher yishkav et-zakhar mishkevey eeshah toeyvah. Asu shenayhem mot yumatu dameyhem bam." [If a man has sexual intercourse with a male person, as with a woman, they have both committed a TOEYVAH (a idolatrous perversion). They shall die by their blood being upon themselves, in other words, their death is their own fault].

These verses were written in Leviticus about 1350 BCE. This was a full millennium prior to Jews being in contact with a hedonistic, militant non-Semitic culture that had a Syrian-Greek-Hellenistic AND A missionizing religious premis that was openly promiscuous and a bi-sexual modality. This public display of what Jews held as sacred and private behavior was why the very first Talmudic references to PUBLIC DISPLAYS of homosexual like, sexual activity, mostly by non-Jews, was spoken of as an idolatrous perversion (TOYEVAH) of JEWISH mores and religious practice (Sanhedrin 54a).

According to the rabbi and Bible scholar, Professor Jacob Milgrom, the prestigious translator and commentator of the scholarly Anchor Bible Series Translation of the Book of Leviticus, and the Jewish Publication Society Commentary on the Book of Numbers; these Hebrew Bible Leviticus texts are referring to NON-ISRAELITE, RELIGIOUS cultic ritual sexual and sexual abuse practices that Israelites were not to imitate when they entered into the Land of Israel. It has nothing at all to do with what we today term as being homosexuality, but with cultic religious fertility rituals.

The Hebrew speaking people who wrote the original text of Leviticus did not see the texts as referring to homosexuality as a sexual orientation at all. In fact, they viewed homosexuality as something that was of little or no real concern to the normal operation of the tribal group.

[RicRogue]

Do you consider both the Old and New Testament as the inspired word of G-D?

Definately!

[knightmare]

I'm glad Yahshua is calling you back into the fold, but how do you get saved this weekend? You make an appt. with God? An altar call? What happens if you die tomorrow? Before this weekend? I don't dispute your conviction to God, but I am guessing the Church you are going to tells you it's this way?

Amen!!!

For the record Ric, I'm getting saved this weekend. It's been a long time coming (IMO). Regardless, the time is right for me now (with our 1st child on the way, among other things). I'm very excited. I just wish I would have opened my eyes and mind sooner. But you know what they say, better late than never

[knightmare]

Glad to see someone use his real name instead of the Greek translation....Yeshua, Yahshua...

Absolutely! Especially in the time of Jesus, there were a variety of perspectives on the practice of Judaism. Yeshua was of the Essene sect (for a Christian perspective. These ancient groups were at odds with each other moreso than Jewish groups are today (courtesy of common enemies).



Do you consider both the Old and New Testament as the inspired word of G-D?


I have several issues with the Christian point of view, however I respect their sense of charity and community.

[RicRogue]

I'm glad Yahshua is calling you back into the fold, but how do you get saved this weekend? You make an appt. with God? An altar call? What happens if you die tomorrow? Before this weekend? I don't dispute your conviction to God, but I am guessing the Church you are going to tells you it's this way?

He is saved now. Salvation comes when you accept Christ into your heart. He has done this. He probably means that he will be professing his faith to his congregation soon.

[Spammy]

I'm glad Yahshua is calling you back into the fold, but how do you get saved this weekend? You make an appt. with God? An altar call? What happens if you die tomorrow? Before this weekend? I don't dispute your conviction to God, but I am guessing the Church you are going to tells you it's this way?

It's not the Church that told him it's the way it was something he decided on his own through his own investigation. He goes to church with me. If he wasn't saved and he died he would not be going into heaven as God would not recognize who he is.

There is no appointment needed for the saved. Once you are saved you will recieve eternal life withthe Lord. The church dosnt have to tell you anything that is what the bible is for. So you can learn and make your own judgement on if it is for you or not for you.

I think you are being a little sarcastic though.

[RicRogue]

For a Judeo-CHristian-Islamic perspective you are correct. We may have homocidal tendancies, but a society based on common weal cannot condone such behavior. Still, I question whether homosexuality in the Biblical sense was not misunderstood, like leprosy. Rather than a mark of evil, it has been recognized as a disease and we no longer damn the afflicted. Could you offer an opinion as to why homosexuality (NOT to be confused with promiscuity) is a detriment to society?


BTW.... Hurrah... a restrained discussion, well done.

Two words

Sodom & Gomorrah

I think it was a detriment to their society.

[Ghosthunter]

Two words

Sodom & Gomorrah

I think it was a detriment to their society.

read the link i posted above and you will see what that homosexality is not why sodoam & gomorrah supposedly happened

here another excerpt from that link:

The passage in Genesis 19 that is used to erroneously give the nomenclature of sodomy to homosexual sex (from the 17th or 18th century BCE account), actually does not refer to an act of consensual sex or to homosexual sex at all, but to an act of sexual violence and degradation and male rape, as also does the passage in Judges 19: 22. These are acts of VIOLENCE that are committed by parties seeking, by sexual brutality, to show their hatred for those they are degrading. It is not an act of love or of caring nor is it based upon sexual orientation. That ministers and some rabbis would see this as homosexuality speaks more to their own bias than to their desire to be true to the meaning of the original text.

The Hebrew Prophet, Ezekiel, actually addresses the question of what the sin of Sodom was.

In Ezekiel 16: 49, Behold, this was the INIQUITY of your sister Sodom]

[knightmare]

There are Jewish people, from the tribe of Judah, and there is the House of Israel, descendants from the other tribes. Also if you believe all of the KJV to be true, you are already deceived. It was translated by a King, an illuminist, who believed in the "divine right of kings".. which totally goes against God's teachings. There are books which the Catholic church would not allow. Shouldn't we be able to discern for ourselves? Also I would never quote paul, he was the 13th apostle, never accepted by the other 12 who were with messiah.. You are just a babe in a pit of vipers, but i've been there Rick.

Are there also different sects of Judism?

All true Christian "sects" have several things in common. We believe alike in the big things, it's the little things that we differ on.

I can only speak to what I believe. Here are a few:

[*]The Bible is 100% true.


Cya,

Ric

[knightmare]

But you said the Bible was 100% true-- isn't it written, spare the rod, spoil the child? Man, i wish i would have gotten more spankings. I'd be much more disciplined.

I have never hit someone, besides my kids, for doing wrong. I always talk to them. I never yell or shout. This is a discussion, that is all.

Thanks,

Ric

[RicRogue]

read the link i posted above and you will see what that homosexality is not why sodoam & gomorrah supposedly happened

here another excerpt from that link:

He is wrong on several accounts. I just leave it at that.

This is one man's point of view.

[Ghosthunter]

He is wrong on several accounts. I just leave it at that.

This is one man's point of view.

cmon do better then that..you cant just say he is wrong and not back up your opinion

Lets hear your evidence

which part is wrong? be specific

[RicRogue]

But you said the Bible was 100% true-- isn't it written, spare the rod, spoil the child? Man, i wish i would have gotten more spankings. I'd be much more disciplined.

I said besides my kids.

I do use a "rod" on my kids. but so this doesn't lead somewhere else let me explain.

When my kids do something that requires a spanking these are the procedures we follow:

1. I am NEVER mad or angry when I spank.
2. We talk about the event. I point out the wrong.
3. We read the bible.
4. I spank on the bottom with a paddle until I believe it is done.
5. I leave him/her to cry.
6. I rejoin him/her, and pray for forgiveness from GOD.
7. I NEVER bring up the event again. The sin was paid for.

Ok, let the flaming begin.

[Zilog B]

I said besides my kids.

I do use a "rod" on my kids. but so this doesn't lead somewhere else let me explain.

When my kids do something that requires a spanking these are the procedures we follow:

1. I am NEVER mad or angry when I spank.
2. We talk about the event. I point out the wrong.
3. We read the bible.
4. I spank on the bottom with a paddle until I believe it is done.
5. I leave him/her to cry.
6. I rejoin him/her, and pray for forgiveness from GOD.
7. I NEVER bring up the event again. The sin was paid for.

Ok, let the flaming begin.

I won't flame you Flanders.

[Spammy]

I won't flame you Flanders.

OM goodness



Flander I see sig material in the near future

[knightmare]

Spammy , the term born again" is a greek mistranslation , of Born from Above.
If he is one of God's children, he is already given salvation thru The Messiah.
God knew him before he was a seed. Going to church to an altar call, a formality, is irrelevant. The price has already been paid for his salvation. Apologies if you think i am sarcastic, but points to ponder?

It's not the Church that told him it's the way it was something he decided on his own through his own investigation. He goes to church with me. If he wasn't saved and he died he would not be going into heaven as God would not recognize who he is.

There is no appointment needed for the saved. Once you are saved you will recieve eternal life withthe Lord. The church dosnt have to tell you anything that is what the bible is for. So you can learn and make your own judgement on if it is for you or not for you.

I think you are being a little sarcastic though.

[RicRogue]

I won't flame you Flanders.

Doh! or is it Doodily Do?

[Prey521]

I won't flame you Flanders.

AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Now that's funny!

[Spammy]

Spammy , the term born again" is a greek mistranslation , of Born from Above.
If he is one of God's children, he is already given salvation thru The Messiah.
God knew him before he was a seed. Going to church to an altar call, a formality, is irrelevant. The price has already been paid for his salvation. Apologies if you think i am sarcastic, but points to ponder?

[knightmare]

No flames here, i respect your honesty. it is a shame that in this society we can't express ourselves for fear of being accused of child abuse, hate crimes, etc...

I said besides my kids.

I do use a "rod" on my kids. but so this doesn't lead somewhere else let me explain.

When my kids do something that requires a spanking these are the procedures we follow:

1. I am NEVER mad or angry when I spank.
2. We talk about the event. I point out the wrong.
3. We read the bible.
4. I spank on the bottom with a paddle until I believe it is done.
5. I leave him/her to cry.
6. I rejoin him/her, and pray for forgiveness from GOD.
7. I NEVER bring up the event again. The sin was paid for.

Ok, let the flaming begin.

[RicRogue]

[Prey521]

LMAO!

[RicRogue]

I need someone to make me a Flanders avatar.

[DaddyLongLeg]

He is saved now. Salvation comes when you accept Christ into your heart. He has done this. He probably means that he will be professing his faith to his congregation soon.

and a to you too Spammy.

[Rivas]

i would love to express my opinions in this thread but they are very radical for some SG members (not to mention i got banned last time ,well i deserved it )
anyway i dont agree what was said,especially what said ricrogue.
i'm catholic,one member of my family is Arcibiskup in spite of the fact lol and when i knew he is coming for visit i always left,not worth arguing
but different people,different opinions,enjoy

[Brent]

i would love to express my opinions in this thread but they are very radical for some SG members (not to mention i got banned last time ,well i deserved it )
anyway i dont agree what was said,especially what said ricrogue.
i'm catholic,one member of my family is Arcibiskup in spite of the fact lol and when i knew he is coming for visit i always left,not worth arguing
but different people,different opinions,enjoy

i would actually like to hear your opinions, if you don't want a debate that's fine but I would like to hear what you have to say, if you want to PM them to me that's fine

[Zerohero]

Spammy , the term born again" is a greek mistranslation , of Born from Above.
If he is one of God's children, he is already given salvation thru The Messiah.
God knew him before he was a seed. Going to church to an altar call, a formality, is irrelevant. The price has already been paid for his salvation. Apologies if you think i am sarcastic, but points to ponder?

You have to confess your sins to be "born again". I'm not sure what you are not understanding. You don't have to go to an alter call to do it either, all you have to do is accept him into your life, and believe his son died on the cross for your sins and BAM your a christian. After that, its all about following Gods principals and rules.

[De Plano]

Soddom and Gomorreh was about rape in my opinion, not about homosexuality

[Rivas]

i would actually like to hear your opinions, if you don't want a debate that's fine but I would like to hear what you have to say, if you want to PM them to me that's fine

thats ok i think i will pass
its hard to keep up with you,all you guys do is posting internet bible url's its like you dont have your own opinion
thank you anyway

[Brent]

Soddom and Gomorreh was about rape in my opinion, not about homosexuality

both

[Brk]

Group 1: I believe in the Bible

Group 2: I don't, it's made up.

Group 3: I'm ****ing a coconut, don't judge me!

Group 4: If they won't listen to you, dust off your sandals when you leave.

[Ghosthunter]

Soddom and Gomorreh was about rape in my opinion, not about homosexuality

there you go someone finally understands =)


The biggest thing the Rabbi is saying as well as some other Jews believe is you have to understand the historical context.

[RicRogue]

there you go someone finally understands =)


The biggest thing the Rabbi is saying as well as some other Jews believe is you have to understand the historical context.

I do understand the historical context. I still believe it was about homosexuality. Even if you read the Hebrew text, I can't see any other way of reading it.

Just My Opinion Though,

Ric

[golfnintendoboy]

This thread is still going!?

[CableDude]

posting again in this historic thread.

[golfnintendoboy]

I fear the end may be near.......

[thepieman]

People are so friggin lazy man...who has to pay for their laziness in the long run? We will because the cable companies won't absorb the costs thats for sure. For the lazy people they should have to pay a premium and save the rest of us that have a clue the extra cost of tailoring things to meet their ignorance.


heres the full article:
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercuryn ... 285728.htm

I posted this topic the other day and you know some people and groups which I will not even mention are so easily led into giving these people the reasons to do what they do to us. Cable companies look for every excuse to raise the prices on their little monopolies and when certain conservative groups play right into their hands to be spoon-fed crap that can easily be tuned out by the touch of your finger it really angers me that we all have to pay the price for someone elses beliefs, when they can just tune-out and turn-off so easily.
Now of course the cable companies are going to go for this idea even tho the FCC has already stated that it will cost the consumer more in the long run.
It would not be agreed upon if they thought for one second it would mean less money in their pockets. They are out to please the bottom line and not the customers. As if cable wasn't expensive enough as it is.

A la carte a good idea, Cablevision head says
BY RICHARD J. DALTON JR
STAFF WRITER
December 2, 2005

Cablevision chairman Charles Dolan said yesterday he supports a la carte cable subscriptions, breaking ranks with the cable industry, which contends that the model would raise rates.

The issue of a la carte programming resurfaced earlier this week when Federal Communications Commission chairman Kevin Martin said the model would lower rates, contradicting a year-old FCC report. Under the a la carte model, cable customers would subscribe to and pay for only the channels they want.

"Our experience indicates a la carte will result in a more affordable service for all, with more programming options," Dolan said in a statement. "Consumers should not be obliged directly or indirectly to buy services they do not want."

Dolan's support for the model differs from the company's response on Tuesday, when it referred questions about the pay-per-channel model to a trade group that opposes the option.

But proponents of package deals say the offerings keep rates low by bringing cable channels to more homes, thereby boosting advertising rates that help offset subscription fees.

More to this here:
http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzca ... -headlines