WTF is going on in Paris?

mountainman · Post by **mountainman** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:07 am

You gotta be ****ing kidding me...

This is how it started?

The riots began after two youths of North African descent were electrocuted when they hid in an electric power station, believing they were being followed by police.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/11 ... index.html

Bouncer · Post by **Bouncer** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:20 am

The thing is, the local religious leaders have issued a fatwa *prohibiting* any further violence. Which means that any violence which is occuring is in violation of their religion. It is not sanctioned, and they are breaking their own religious laws which they claim are so important to them. (Of course it's only important to them when it's "convenient", but that's not the issue).

France should take immediate steps to deal firmly and decisively with these individuals and restore order. AFTER, they may hold hands and have tea and cookies and figure out how to make everything all better. But right now, they need to deploy troops if that's what it takes to re-establish order and security.

The safety of the citizens of France should be the FIRST priority. EVERYTHING else comes second. They need to stamp this out, and every day they delay is going to make it harder to do so. They need to get their priorities straight, and worry about why it happened after they restore public order.

Otherwise, they simply paralyze themselves, and this is NOT going to stop spreading on it's own. You have young men who theink they're on holiday to burn, loot and assault. They need to correct that idea forcefully because it's not going to end until they do.

Regards,
-Bouncer-

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:26 am

mountainman wrote:You gotta be ****ing kidding me...

This is how it started?

We'll soon see the tin foil hats come out..and try to prove Bush had our military crank up their electrical power to cause this.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:30 am

you see what buchanan is saying? he is so offbase it not even funny

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=10116

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:30 am

Fatwas are smokescreens. The violence is fomented by these so-called religious "leaders." Period.

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:48 am

Bouncer wrote: The safety of the citizens of France should be the FIRST priority. EVERYTHING else comes second. They need to stamp this out, and every day they delay is going to make it harder to do so.

Many of those rioting are citizens...multigenerational disenfranchisement.

mountainman · Post by **mountainman** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:03 am

deal firmly and decisively with these individuals and restore order

Just like they did with the Germans in WWII? Yeah, right!

(Sorry. Someone had to say it.)

Imagine · Post by **Imagine** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:21 pm

Oh the irony.

DaddyLongLeg · Post by **DaddyLongLeg** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:11 pm

Just goes to show you how much I care, I didn't even know they were rioting in Paris

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:16 pm

I have a friend in LeMans .... he says it isn't happening there YET but as reportedin the news it's all Arabs..

Paft · Post by **Paft** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:36 pm

The uprising gained force and spread across the country after riot police tear gassed the women's prayer room of a mosque on the holiest night of Ramadan, then called women "*****s" as they emerged, choking.

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/French_riot ... econd_week

Zilog B · Post by **Zilog B** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:39 pm

Paft wrote:http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/French_riot ... econd_week

That probably didn't help matters.

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:45 pm

I understand France has had an extremely liberal policy on Muslim immigration. While it refuses to participate in the international war on terror, France has always had the strictest policies regarding potential threats of Islamic terrorism in its country.

The bottom line is this.....please do not look right in my eyes and say to me...
"True Islam is a religion of peace". Okay? That's simply a crock no matter why they are rioting in France!!!!

ghost · Post by **ghost** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:57 pm

This is exactly why we should bomb France.

David · Post by **David** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:29 pm

Sarahnn wrote: The bottom line is this.....please do not look right in my eyes and say to me...
"True Islam is a religion of peace". Okay? That's simply a crock no matter why they are rioting in France!!!!

Perhaps these "true Islamists" are every bit the hypocrites that "true Christians" and "true Jews" could be.

Violence like this is fomented from oppressive poverty.

David · Post by **David** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:29 pm

ghost wrote:This is exactly why we should bomb France.

The universal answer to the universal problem.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:32 pm

Hell_Yes wrote:Perhaps these "true Islamists" are every bit the hypocrites that "true Christians" and "true Jews" could be.

Violence like this is fomented from oppressive poverty.

as the story indicates ...

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:52 pm

I guess we have to wait till cops burst into our Churches and toss tear gas and flash grenades, then call our moms hores before we can pass judgement on them. We have no clue what is truly going on over there. From what I've been reading there is quite a bit of truth-stretching by the cops in regards to what exactly transpired. With all we have been trained to hear in regards to Muslims in the middle east, it can be very easy to come up with an excuse now.
From what I was reading, the kids ran from the ID check since I guess they are used to being harrassed by the cops at their ball field, it was their Eid and they were supposed to be home after a certain time to break their fast. I think it was the Mosque incident that caused the actual riots and not just the kids.

Sarahnn as far as being liberal. I thought the french were going to restrict the wearing of the moslem womens head covering? That would be like telling a Hindu he couldn't wear his or a jew he couldn't wear a Yamulke or a Hassid he couldn't wear his/her outfit here. Hardly liberal.

Pie

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:56 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:We'll soon see the tin foil hats come out..and try to prove Bush had our military crank up their electrical power to cause this.

Nope, tinfoil hat peeps hate france.

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:11 pm

Hell_Yes wrote:Perhaps these "true Islamists" are every bit the hypocrites that "true Christians" and "true Jews" could be.

Violence like this is fomented from oppressive poverty.

You are right about oppressive poverty, but it does not make Islam a religion of peace. You talk the talk, then walk the walk. And I haven't heard any Christians, many of whom are sacrificing their lives in Iraq, calling their religion a religion of peace, and yet more charity comes from Judeo/Christian orgs than Islam.

If you can find stats to correct me, please do.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:39 pm

A world without religion would be a much better place, one less thing to fight over.

ghost · Post by **ghost** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:49 pm

Hell_Yes wrote:The universal answer to the universal problem.

Your Sarcasm Detector needs a little tweaking.

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:53 pm

Augustus wrote:A world without religion would be a much better place, one less thing to fight over.

Why don't you get your life in order before you tell the rest of us religious types what would make this world better. Just go six months without a whine and maybe I'll listen to yer views on religion.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:55 pm

Sarahnn wrote:Why don't you get your life in order before you tell the rest of us religious types what would make this world better. Just go six months without a whine and maybe I'll listen to yer views on religion.

My life is fine what are you talking about? LMAO

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:56 pm

Don't tell me Paris starting selling soap?

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:58 pm

Spammy wrote:Don't tell me Paris starting selling soap?

French scientists have discovered cleansing rocks.

ghost · Post by **ghost** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:00 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:French scientists have discovered cleansing rocks.

Zilog B · Post by **Zilog B** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:00 pm

Spammy wrote:Don't tell me Paris starting selling soap?

I think Prey just cancelled his travel plans

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:01 pm

Zilog B wrote:I think Prey just cancelled his travel plans

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:40 pm

Sarahnn wrote:You are right about oppressive poverty, but it does not make Islam a religion of peace. You talk the talk, then walk the walk. And I haven't heard any Christians, many of whom are sacrificing their lives in Iraq, calling their religion a religion of peace, and yet more charity comes from Judeo/Christian orgs than Islam.

If you can find stats to correct me, please do.

So you are saying that no major organized religion is "...of peace"? I'll have to re-read the bible, because that was one of my few take-aways. I thought Jesus was all for it and asked you people to live in his image...

You do have a point - Bush and his neocon buddies are western jihadists. Very little difference besides language.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:41 pm

cyberskye wrote:So you are saying that no major organized religion is "...of peace"? I'll have to re-read the bible, because that was one of my few take-aways. I thought Jesus was all for it and asked you people to live in his image...

You do have a point - Bush and his neocon buddies are western jihadists. Very little difference besides language.

LOL good point

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:51 pm

thepieman wrote:Sarahnn as far as being liberal. I thought the french were going to restrict the wearing of the moslem womens head covering? That would be like telling a Hindu he couldn't wear his or a jew he couldn't wear a Yamulke or a Hassid he couldn't wear his/her outfit here. Hardly liberal.

Pie

VERY liberal from a certain point of view. It's an unbiased way of separating church & state. You can't have any visible religious symbols in public schools.

David · Post by **David** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:55 pm

ghost wrote:Your Sarcasm Detector needs a little tweaking.

Oh no, I got it... I was adding it... Evidentally with a failing grade.

David · Post by **David** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:08 pm

Sarahnn wrote:You are right about oppressive poverty, but it does not make Islam a religion of peace. You talk the talk, then walk the walk. And I haven't heard any Christians, many of whom are sacrificing their lives in Iraq, calling their religion a religion of peace, and yet more charity comes from Judeo/Christian orgs than Islam.

If you can find stats to correct me, please do.

Jesus was very much the pacifist and wished for people to ascribe to his ascetic. One would think that dedicated Christians would also be pacifists. Regarding charity, which is not the focus of this thread, I have not taken the time to compile a comparison of the individual donations from different faiths. Do you believe that if a divergence exists, that it relates to the religion, per capita income, semitic cheapness (

) or subjectifying the statisitics?

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:11 pm

cyberskye wrote:So you are saying that no major organized religion is "...of peace"? I'll have to re-read the bible, because that was one of my few take-aways. I thought Jesus was all for it and asked you people to live in his image...

I was saying that Islam touts itself as the "Religion of Peace". No other religion does that. One religion may be "of forgiveness" Or "of love" etc etc.

You do have a point - Bush and his neocon buddies are western jihadists. Very little difference besides language.

I'm not going to sit here and defend Bush, but to compare our government with Islamic radical jihadists is the most ignorant, assinine piece of **** I've heard in a very long time.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:16 pm

Sarahnn wrote:I was saying that Islam touts itself as the "Religion of Peace". No other religion does that. One religion may be "of forgiveness" Or "of love" etc etc.

I'm not going to sit here and defend Bush, but to compare our government with Islamic radical jihadists is the most ignorant, assinine piece of **** I've heard in a very long time.

Hmm...according to latest stats, 100,000+ iraqi's have been killed since the war started...

I dont know...for a war that was started becuase of deceptions to begin with, our govt is no better.

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:16 pm

Hell_Yes wrote:Jesus was very much the pacifist and wished for people to ascribe to his ascetic. One would think that dedicated Christians would also be pacifists. Regarding charity, which is not the focus of this thread, I have not taken the time to compile a comparison of the individual donations from different faiths. Do you believe that if a divergence exists, that it relates to the religion, per capita income, semitic cheapness ( ) or subjectifying the statisitics?

I'm saying that Christianity and Judaism has given more charitable work across the board than Islam. I'm saying that if you can refute that, let's hear it. I am here to learn.

I might suggest that if Islam is as equally charitable, charity begins at home and these Muslims in France should not be poverty stricken according to their own tenets. Therefore, they would not be acting out violently for the same reasons you state, poverty. But, there is something amiss. I understand that France's welfare program to these native born Muslims is excellent. Back to square one.

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:18 pm

Augustus wrote:Hmm...according to latest stats, 100,000+ iraqi's have been killed since the war started...

I dont know...for a war that was started becuase of deceptions to begin with, our govt is no better.

Your statement must really go over big with people like baghdaddy. LOL

I'm relieved that I have never respected your opinion and now it is clear why.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:20 pm

Sarahnn wrote:Your statement must really go over big with people like baghdaddy. LOL

I'm relieved that I have never respected your opinion and now it is clear why.

My statement? I am just stating what they are reporting about 100,000 iraqis being killed...for a war that looks like we were lied to...

But I guess it ok becuase they are Muslims..so who cares

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:27 pm

Sarahnn wrote:I was saying that Islam touts itself as the "Religion of Peace". No other religion does that. One religion may be "of forgiveness" Or "of love" etc etc.

In fact, I have heard many christians claim just that - but I guess neither of us can poll them all to find out. Tell me more about the perspective of the many Christians you know in Iraq right now.

Sarahnn wrote: I'm not going to sit here and defend Bush, but to compare our government with Islamic radical jihadists is the most ignorant, assinine piece of **** I've heard in a very long time.

Not the whole gov't, just the fanatics. They have played on peeps fear since 9/11 - where do you think the word terrorism comes from.

Western fundamentalists declare war on drugs, war on same-sex marriage, war on terror. Jihadists declare, well, Jihad, on imperialism (and the resulting poverty) and the west in general for our lack of morals - among other things.

They spout the same tune, just different words (but not that different). Jihadists didn't invade a country and kill over 100k people for dubious reasons that are now known not to be true.