Death of Napster = faster internet for all?

num1rage · Post by **num1rage** » Tue Feb 13, 2001 1:47 pm

Think about it. There are 10,000 songs per second being downloaded using Naptser all the time. Once Napster is shut down, the core MP3 community will be lost. Sure there are alternatives but nothing is as easy to use as Napster. So with the millions of users suddenly being cut off, the world's internet bandwidth will go up substantially.

Think of how many cable users on your node are using Napster to upload songs to other users. Think of the main ISP's servers routing the GB's upon GB's of MP3 files.

I think for a little while most everyone will experience a nice boost in speed.

Sounds nice to me but what will it mean for the future? Will ISP's slack-off now because of the extra bandwidth? I hope not.

What does everyone think?

[ 02-13-2001: Message edited by: num1rage ]

Lobo · Post by **Lobo** » Tue Feb 13, 2001 2:15 pm

I think it's cool, if you want a song that bad, go to store, but I believe we are going to get blasted by the unhappy customers who won't say Napster, Just complain in general

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Tue Feb 13, 2001 2:30 pm

I brought this up in the General forum
http://forums.speedguide.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=004081

I agree, the Internet as a whole Could be faster if you think about it...

Yes there is always other ways of downloading music, BUT most idiots won't figure them out.

See Napster was EASY and anybody could use it, without it those people that can't figure out any other way will just stop, and there are a lot of those people.

For the l337 they will always have a way either irc, ftp, other programs etc...

but for the others they will not know how to go about this, it makes a whole lot of difference in Universitys for sure and such...

I agree with what your saying, but i think it will be in the Internet as a whole, us as individual users may or may not notice it much.... who knows, heh

oakfan52 · Post by **oakfan52** » Tue Feb 13, 2001 3:14 pm

I think the net might get faster, but for me whats the point? The main reason I bought cable internet is to be able to dowmload Mp3's and fast. Hoever if you think for one second that other programs using the same peer-to-peer transfers of MP3's will stop your wrong. Long live napster!

glc1 · Post by **glc1** » Tue Feb 13, 2001 3:19 pm

Originally posted by oakfan52:
Hoever if you think for one second that other programs using the same peer-to-peer transfers of MP3's will stop your wrong.

No one is denying that the apps will continue to exist, however, the simplicity/reliability will die w/ Napster, at least in the beginning.

[ 02-13-2001: Message edited by: glc1 ]

DDELFIERRO · Post by **DDELFIERRO** » Tue Feb 13, 2001 3:35 pm

As for the net itself becoming faster with the imminent death of Napster, I don't know if it will make that much difference unless you share a cable node with other users who are primarily UL/DL on Napster. I could swear that during special events (Super Bowl, Olympic opening/closing, etc) that the net seemed slower. We can all attest to the fact that the net just seems faster during the off-peak hours.
As for the argument for/against Napster, yes I have used Napster and enjoyed it... But, I certainly was aware that I was violating copyright regulations by UL/DL said material. To preach the (IMHO) lame credo that "information is for everyone and should not be regulated", free information is one thing but information that was created with the intent assumed or specific to be for any profit whatsoever must be paid for. To deny payment is piracy, i.e. simple and outright theft. We aren't talking about you copying/distributing music you created yourself, we're talking about music you have no legal right to provide w/out just compensation. I don't feel like a hypocrite for using Napster because I knew it was wrong when I was using it, I knew that Napster just fell into the gap just before it had rules to regulate it. I certainly hope that Napster decides against appealing to the Supreme Court, it's a waste of time anyway since Napster's alliance w/BMG, attempted alliances with other companies, and plans to make a "pay to play" program prove to me that they know that they're screwed...

oakfan52 · Post by **oakfan52** » Tue Feb 13, 2001 3:48 pm

I feel that there is a need for Napster to start charging say $20 month. The music industry is hurting as bad as they claim. I think that Napster was ahead of its times. There will be a day where we get all our music online. Its too bad that all people care about is money. If you ask me some of them make way too much anyway. Whats up with concert ticket prices?

#1RAGE · Post by **#1RAGE** » Tue Feb 13, 2001 4:44 pm

Yep, I understand lots of people got high speed internet mostly to download music. This is why the available bandwidth should increase. The thing is will we notice any change? It is hard to say.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Tue Feb 13, 2001 4:47 pm

the music inustry is not hurting, heh

that is just one of the RIAA's tactics....

in fact record sells are up...

neo86 · Post by **neo86** » Tue Feb 13, 2001 5:35 pm

lol, i bet the entire world will become smarter. newbies desperate for music will rtfm ( read the ****ing manual). something they have never looked at.

Dark Bard · Post by **Dark Bard** » Tue Feb 13, 2001 7:37 pm

The good or bad of what Napster does is a debate for another board. I do think there may be some benefits to shutting napster down but it may be too broad to reall effect a noticable change. At the same time who is to say that one use of the net is better than the other. Is downloading MP3's a worse use of resources than playing Diablo 2, or downloading porn vids or posting replies on forums? That's probably one debate no one wants to open, I sure don't. When I started with MP3's I got most of mine off of Napster, now I do the ripping myself. It may be a breech of Napster etiquet but most of the MP3's on my disk come from CD's I buy.

anfibio · Post by **anfibio** » Wed Feb 14, 2001 1:00 am

num1rage

as we say in my language ,,,,"DU ÄR UTE OCH CYCKLAR" your so wrong!!!!!
maybe the internet would be faster for you couse your poore conextion , but that belongs to another subject.

To say that the internet would be faster without NAPSTER is being too exagerated!

The MP3 community will never be lost as you say..

"I think for a little while most everyone will experience a nice boost in speed"

a boost of WHAT!!

what has NAPSTER to do with your internet velocity?

AND WHO SAID THAT NAPSTER WILL BE SHUT DOWN!

I am following the process ...as i now
nothing is been decided yet!

SO SHUT THE F--- UP!!!

AND WAIT

ALWAYS THERES IS PEOPLE THAT THINK ONLY ON THEIR SELVES...

DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA HOW MANY MONEY DO THE COMPANIES OF MUSIC PRODUCCTION LOST LAST YEAR BECOUSE OF NAPSTER!!

0$

IN FACT THIS IS ABOUT YOUR RIGH TO USE THE INTERNET FREE....SO WE CAN SHARE MUSIC WITH EACH OTHER,,,A WE SHARE MUSIC TAPES AND VIDEOBANDS..

DID YOU WONDERER WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF MICROSOFT DECIDED TO PROCESS ALL THE PEOPLE
THAT CHANGE THE REGISTRY!!

YOU SAY
"I think for a little while"
THINK A LOT MORE OK!

DDELFIERRO · Post by **DDELFIERRO** » Wed Feb 14, 2001 3:13 am

Anfibio: While not intending to flame you, in regards to your post...
"I am following the process ...as i now
nothing is been decided yet!

SO SHUT THE F--- UP!!!"
* I too am following the process (perhaps a bit more closely than you are because I have a little bit of a vested interest in the matter) and the following "nothing" has been decided... "The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled against Napster in our effort to keep the major record labels from shutting us down." Well, there you go... From Napster's own site, even. "Nothing" indeed. Possibly you should take your own advice?
"AND WHO SAID THAT NAPSTER WILL BE SHUT DOWN!"
*Um, Napster? (See above quote from their home page as of 11:50 PM PST.)
"DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA HOW MANY MONEY DO THE COMPANIES OF MUSIC PRODUCCTION LOST LAST YEAR BECOUSE OF NAPSTER!!

0$"
*Possibly true. But music production has nothing to do with it. The problem lies with the theft of copyrighted materials and corresponding lack of remuneration for commerce of product. Do YOU have any idea how much money the RIAA companies lost in revenue last year because of illicit commerce in copyrighted materials? Millions. At least a couple thousand from me alone, that's for sure.
"IN FACT THIS IS ABOUT YOUR RIGH TO USE THE INTERNET FREE....SO WE CAN SHARE MUSIC WITH EACH OTHER,,,A WE SHARE MUSIC TAPES AND VIDEOBANDS.."
*Napster has NOTHING to do with internet freedom. It is simply a legal loophole that has finally been closed. I say let Napster stay just as it is... Napster itself is just a program... Just as long as it completely bans any and all copyrighted material from being traded on/off its servers. If all Napster users traded was public domain material, it would be as popular as theGlobe and go.com and succeed just as well. You can use the internet for whatever you want, you have that freedom, as long as the actions are not illegal. (e.g. kiddie porn, snuff films, piracy) Just because you can avail yourself of whatever you want via the internet, that doesn't in itself grant it legality.
"DID YOU WONDERER WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF MICROSOFT DECIDED TO PROCESS ALL THE PEOPLE
THAT CHANGE THE REGISTRY!!"
*No, and I really don't see the connection. Napster is doing nothing with the music, simply facilitating the theft of media. Perhaps a better correlation would be if you posted a few pirated copies of WinME, Office 2000, etc on a server and brazenly invited people to knowingly DL these copies for free. What do I think Microsoft would do were they to catch you? Well, other than have the authorities seize your PC, search your house, give you the old rubber glove exam, and auction off your meager possessions to cover their legal costs for bothering with you... And that's all if the international lawyers reading the riot act decide you've suffered enough and decline further prosecution. BTW, there are numerous US federal laws and international trade agreements that prohibit the illegal trade of such materials already in place. Napster just fell into the gap that hadn't already been covered in the laws. That's why they aren't being prosecuted for actions prior to the decision only banned from continued action.
In keeping with the topic: ""I think for a little while most everyone will experience a nice boost in speed"

a boost of WHAT!!

what has NAPSTER to do with your internet velocity?"
*You answer yourself a few lines prior to that. "[M]aybe the internet would be faster for you couse your poore conextion". "Poor connection" or otherwise, getting a bunch of casual users to jump off the bandwidth-wagon looks good to me!!!
Like I said, not trying to flame you but it's kind of frustrating to see so many people ignoring the legal facts of the Napster fiasco.
Napster, as we knew it, is DEAD. Move on to GNUTELLA, or whatever you use to pirate your MP3's...

tekelberry · Post by **tekelberry** » Thu Feb 15, 2001 12:22 am

I agree! Never thought about that. Imagine a newspaper headline or a Tech TV News Story or just a story titled "Latency on Internet blamed on Napster". LOL..that would be funny to see

ryansanders13 · Post by **ryansanders13** » Sun Feb 18, 2001 2:44 am

GoZilla.com is a good site for getting MP3's. Ive got 3 from there. I havnt looked for many though. Also...there is a program that doesnt lie at all..it really does boost up ur downloads. Usually mines at 25 KB/per second but with the program it downloads in the 50's and it starts off in the 100's and you can pause/resume the downloads to. It is called : Download Accelerator Plus!...you can download it at http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/powertools/ and put in dap or download accelerator plus

DDELFIERRO · Post by **DDELFIERRO** » Sun Feb 18, 2001 3:50 am

Hey, re: the Death of Napster...

I just logged on to Napster and saw a total of about >>64<< users w/about 100 GB of MP3's available.

I haven't upgraded to the beta 9.6 version of Napster since I figure what't the point... Maybe there's more people listed if I use the new version but I figure that a lot more than 63 other people haven't upgraded their versions of Napster.

Is Napster officially dead now?

Aaladar · Post by **Aaladar** » Sun Feb 18, 2001 1:17 pm

It doesn't matter what version a different person on Napster is using... It just matters what Napster server you got on. If you got on one with a very little amount of people, disconnect and try logging on again.

[ 02-18-2001: Message edited by: Aaladar ]

Randy · Post by **Randy** » Sun Feb 18, 2001 5:19 pm

My speed seems a little slow lately, could this be from panic struck downloads of napster ? is so then my speed shuld increase UNLESS... there is another prgram one can use THAT is EASY LIkE NApsTer!
www.aimster.com
Aimster is even better than napster! and just as easy if not easier to use.

Enjoy!
Viva La Resistance! Randy

DDELFIERRO · Post by **DDELFIERRO** » Sun Feb 18, 2001 10:41 pm

Actually, I logged onto Napster a little later and it was back to normal with like a million GB of MP3's to download.

Maybe I just logged in after a maintainance shutdown.

bleach · Post by **bleach** » Mon Feb 19, 2001 9:54 am

napster is long from dead, maybe the public napster.com servers will go down, but there are still other napster networks like opennap and musiccity, all you need is a program like napigator and you can select which network you get on, there's also more people on these networks than there were on napster's crappy default servers

DDELFIERRO · Post by **DDELFIERRO** » Mon Feb 19, 2001 3:15 pm

"public napster.com servers will go down, but there are still other napster networks like opennap and musiccity"
Uh, the other networks aren't Napster are they? If the "public napster.com servers" get their switch pulled, their is no Napster.
You may mean that there's always going to be an Aimster, Gnutella, etc. But no, if Napster takes their servers down then Napster ceases to exist...

#1RAGE · Post by **#1RAGE** » Mon Feb 19, 2001 10:36 pm

My connection is better than average but no one in the world can get around a slow router half-way across the continent. I never once said there would be a definate increase in bandwidth, I was just wondering out-loud what might happen.

JoBlazeN · Post by **JoBlazeN** » Tue Feb 20, 2001 12:47 am

All that will happen with Napster is that the napster servers will be shut down. There are still many servers that can be connected to using the napster client. The usage of the napster client cannot be stopped. There is a program called napigator that allows users to choose which server they will be connected to while using napster instead of letting napster find an "optimal" server. With this users can choose from hundreds of opennap servers or homemade servers that can be used exactly the same as the napster servers. I don't really expect any changes at all except that those people who don't know the inner workings of napster and servers won't be using napster anymore.

andrewe77 · Post by **andrewe77** » Tue Feb 20, 2001 1:58 am

I went to the napigator web site and looked at the server list. Happens that an @home user is using his/her computer as a server, which is against the user agreement. Think I should report em??

X2thaZ · Post by **X2thaZ** » Wed Feb 21, 2001 4:23 am

if u close down napster
massive warez transferrs will still lagg everything

Buggyman · Post by **Buggyman** » Wed Feb 21, 2001 9:57 am

Funny thing is this!
My pings are at their lowest tracing the napster site.

I lose all my packets going thru Atlanta and San Francisco.
So I don't think Napster is the problem with bandwidths.
I think it is these providers overloading their Hubs.
Atlanta is supposly upgrading their system on monday. (which monday I don't know)
As for napster itself. As long as they get sponsers they will exsist.
I seen they made a $1 billion dollar offer to settle the suit.
So don't Blame Napster... Blame the advertisers who are paying BIG bucks to a Popular site!

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed Feb 21, 2001 8:20 pm

I agree, in the same neighborhood is where we will experience better speeds

using your example above

You are trying to download or play a multiplayer game, and you are getting high ping and bad speeds

Cause: Your next door neighbor is sharing out 5,000 mp3's and has people from DSL to Cable to T3 lines downloading LOADS of music from him

Solution: Napster shuts down, and until he can figure out other methods you experience better pings and speeds

dray_heinz · Post by **dray_heinz** » Thu Feb 22, 2001 12:16 am

I do not understand how people think that they will not be effected by their next door neighbor who can no longer download and upload MP3's (Who is also on the same cable node as you) won't effect their speed. The average user will have no idea how or where to begin illegaly downloading music again for some time, or at least until it gets posted all over chat forums. Think of all the routers out there that were/are getting burdened with heavy traffic because of this downloading. There are endless reasons why this is going to speed it up.

Buggyman · Post by **Buggyman** » Thu Feb 22, 2001 9:39 am

well it's obvious that my neighborhood is being dragged down by something!

I can get great pings , but lousy speeds.
I talked to a guy who lives in a district next to mine and he said he get's the max allowed by the provider.
SOMBODY IS KILLING ME OVER HERE!.
I wonder if they got so many T-1 connections on my hub it's pulling me down.
I could understand daytime businesses, but night time?
GEE!