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Post by PostalBunny »

One more thing I forgot to add... if you can read what I posted with the spellin errors Image

I work for dsl tech supp, if someone calls up and is not getting the xmit rates they are supposed to I can call Broadband and there they can program the frame relay to upgrade them to 1.5/128 instead of fixed 384/128 which is capped. I'm damn sure cable works the same way, the rr will want the ability to charge businesses for MORE bandwidth just like dsl.

Just a note, did anyone get his "sniffer" logs? Cuz I don't believe that they exist. What he may have been hearing is similar to a tool we have here that checks to see if your modem has SYNC (the cable light is green, or dsl light for us). Also, a ATM ping tool which sends a packet to the redback (router) and gets bounced back if you're not setup on the router or gets sent to the modem and back. Usefull tool to see if someone has been "provisioned" or setup on the router correctly (when they have sync but get timeouts while trying to connect).
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Post by drewwpb »

How knows John he must have plenty of free time on his hands and maybe he is the "Keeper of the Keys".......
martialcomp

Post by martialcomp »

Hey, Violent (guess that is what they call you in state prison) it is a little late for April fools jokes. I do have to give you credit for starting one of the most interesting threads ever on this board. You should start a new topic. It should be titled "I can prove the Earth is flat!". And, since you have gone off the deep end, you probably really do think the Earth is flat.
spock

Post by spock »

[quote]Originally posted by NeoGuyver:
spock: The reason they can't send the codes, is because thats EXACTLY what violent blocked out. By going into his diagnostic mode, the modem rejects the information about the CAP from the headend.

Right I understand that Neoguyver your point, however I'm sure a good programmer that works for RR (or hired by) could write scripts for the head end to reject any signals from a modem that "blocks" these codes or modems that do not receive these codes that cap the Full Freq. bandwith going to the modem. If the codes aren't received, then the modem does not get a response from the head end. Know what I mean?

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Violent

Post by Violent »

martialcomp : This is just for you - in reply to you.

For the rest of you , any inferences that this is intended for anyone else except martialcomp is purely a mistake on my part and I apologize in advance.

hmmm,,,you really think the earth is flat ? hmmm interesting theory,,hmmm...wait a second - the earth is round, know it for a fact.

I find in life that pseudo intellectuals (want me to phonetically spell that out for you? ,,big word,,,can you handle that ?) like yourself frequently resort to lower based life form references when they just can not see beyond their own short commings or ignorance. The refusal to believe is not based upon stupidity, it is instead based upon fear of the unknown.

Belief in this subject is not mandatory as you may think. Are you so afraid of something outside your apparent narrow view that you feel you must personally attack me with your childish statements ?

I simply presented something here to show that what was thought (and apparently touted by you and others as your bible - "Oh No! it can not be done because of such and such".)was not true. Taking your own "Flat earth" (like your narrow mind)comment as an example, I said that the earth was "Round" and you decried it just like they did when the round earth theory was first presented. It is a shame that society has not changed much since then , well at least your end of the gene pool hasn't changed much apparently. Thoughts like this and people like you will forever hold back others from growing and learning.

At first when I presented this I thought that "hey this is neat - people are screaming for speed - I can give it to them with this." I did not reveal the method that is true for a couple of reasons:

1. When I posted I thought that "Yeah right, this thread will die real quick because most will not believe." . I guess you kind of proved that point.

2. After I posted the initial thread I thought "Now that I have this information, what responsibilities do I have towards it ?"

3. I also thought "What are the legal implications of posting this information ?"

But alas, you failed to think beyond your snotty little nose and consider things like this.

Frankly I find your comments offensive , un-called for, and totally out of place and context. However, I am an adult (which you may or may not be - haven't seen any evidence of it yet) and as such have learned to overlook the fools in life such as you.

WHAT ! you find my comments offensive also ? Are my comments offensive ? Too bad,,,or should I translate for you like this : ,,,BWAhhhhhh! he started it, he started it !

To the rest of you I apologize. I know this is flaming I guess and that is not the intended use for this forum. I will post the information and the codes and the method and how to enter them elsewhere. I will probably be banned from the board after this , so good by and farewell,,,except you martialcomp, to you I say - watch out for your own shoe laces.
Originally posted by martialcomp:
Hey, Violent (guess that is what they call you in state prison) it is a little late for April fools jokes. I do have to give you credit for starting one of the most interesting threads ever on this board. You should start a new topic. It should be titled "I can prove the Earth is flat!". And, since you have gone off the deep end, you probably really do think the Earth is flat.


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Ikarus

Post by Ikarus »

Postal said:
I'm damn sure cable works the same way, the rr will want the ability to charge businesses for MORE bandwidth just like dsl.

Postal Bunny, the modems can be capped via settings sent to the cable modem upon initialization. Thats why with many cable modems you see speed throttling when you first start a download in IE at like 250KB+/sec. Your modem throttles you down via settings sent via either TFTP or SNMP to the modem everytime you reset or re-initialize it. You can get around this and telnet into the modem. I know this because I can do this to my own modem. Although I cannot change the speed of it without being caught by my ISP, I could tftp configuration changes (i.e. a new firmware that resets the modem to default) via the head end through the RF interface. This is how they sell packages of bandwidth via @home as far as I know they look up your modems IP/MAC address informaton so that when you connect you are sent the right bandwidth configuration.

Even though I doubt the speeds he is getting it is certainly feasable to uncap cable modems via wherever one happens to be and not needing to be at the headend depending on how your isp runs their cable system.

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PostalBunny

Post by PostalBunny »

Originally posted by Ikarus:
Even though I doubt the speeds he is getting it is certainly feasable to uncap cable modems via wherever one happens to be and not needing to be at the headend depending on how your isp runs their cable system.
I see where that might be applicable, but DSL also jumps quiet fast for the first 3 megs of download on IE. I witness this when we first installed the dsl. I can just about garantee that they can prevent him from downloading information at such high rates by limiting the amount of data that he can download from their router, which can be done on the crappiest router... if they had to, they could just attach a $100 router to the cable that runs to his house to bottleneck his line Image However, the rr contract states that "have the right to upgrade, modify, enhance and replace...to limit the throughput available through individual modems...". So either/or and possibly both at the head office and at the modem they can and will cap his modem to prevent him from getting that 27Mbps download which I'm pretty sure the modem would not be getting if it was plugged right next to the router at the CableCo's Central Office equiv.

Bottom line, he's lying because he said he made a deal with rr... after he won the supposed case. They would make a deal for him to drop charges, if he brough them up. And if he had brought charges up, he would have lost because of those MANY clauses in his contract... which if interpreted by the right lawyer mean you can't send or recieve ANY information =)

And his statement that he modified his modem to get a service he paid for is wrong... all ISP's have a clause that there may be network problems occasionaly blahblah... so damaging hardware and stealing bandwidth that belongs to other rr customers is violating the contract to get something that wasn't garanteed in the contract (which is the bandwidth the modem waasn't configured for).


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dan2525

Post by dan2525 »

You basically take away chunks of bandwidth by changing the modem's QOS (quality of service) profile. This is done at the UBR in the headend. There are typically several QOS profile levels that can be used.
I really don't know what to make of all this as far as truthfulness but a couple of points are valid either way:
1. Marketing-types control the way speeds are presented and hyped and we all know that's a bad thing. Certainly techs hate it. It's a distasteful part of life in the developed world that we're all misled about everything to some degree by advertising; I wish it wasn't this way but I'm not sure what to do about it. The only thing I know for sure is not to believe everything I hear and to protect myself by researching products before I spend money on them.
2. Another thing we all know is that the cable modem system is a shared network. When you use more than your agreed upon bandwidth it is taken from somewhere, specifically other customers. It's not like the old getting-HBO-for-free thing where it doesn't affect anyone else on the block and only results in lost revenue for the company. The primary people hurt are others paying the same price as the offender. As far as this goes I guess you either care or you don't.

Until the technology changes, as it surely will, we're all sharing, and we either learned how to share in kindergarten or we didn't.
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Post by jaza27 »

[quote]I will post the information and the codes and the method and how to enter them elsewhere.

I have been neutral towards this entire post actually leaning towards believing him. But for him to say this it makes me think just the opposite. If I say something and people don't believe me then I always want to give them proof just to show them I was right. That's when u get your satisfaction. If you just leave, then probably everyone on this board will think you were lying. That's just my opinion, I would always want to prove I'm right unless I'm wrong and then u just have to come out and admit it.
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Post by jaza27 »

double post deleted sorry

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TonyT

Post by TonyT »

violent
Well done on getting a deal w/ them.
Now, you sound like a responsable person. It is evident in some of your replies. Just do the right thing. You already know what it is!

Who gives a s*** whether or not you are believed by all. Keep your own councel.

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BTW, those jail panties will soon be available for $24.95 US at http://www.speedcorp.net in the not too distant future. Plus shipping. For those already incarcerated geeks, shipping is free!
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Post by Bouncer »

My understanding is that the cable modem "ranges" when first turned on to find the operating spectrum. It then contacts the headend via internal settings (an ip address), where a file is sent via tftp to the modem with the appropriate settings.

Since that's the case, two things must occur for you to uncap a modem operating in this manner. First, you must change the configuration file. Second, you must then get that file onto the tftp server at the headend, and have the modem call to that file for it's settings.

Which means, you'd have to break into the headend tftp server, and store the file there. In addition, you'd have to somehow convince the headend that this is a valid file, and a valid group of settings. Which means you either replace some existing file on the headend device, or you use some other method to verify the validity of this file to the headend.

How you would aquire all this information via a sniffer program would be a very unique trick.

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Post by lvslr »

Bouncer,

You are 100 percent correct about that. To add to what you said:

1. Each modem is assigned a QOS which includes, base line privacy, what settings there modem is set at the IP address if DHCP and TOD stamp.

2. At anytime if the cable modem varies from what the head-end has for its MAC address, it resends the config file, and if the modem doesn't accept it the modem is denied access.

3. As you stated all of this is done through TFTP, and all of the config files are kept at the head-end.

In my personal opinion Violent never could do this to his modem and if he did the cable-head-end would not allow him access to the Internet because his file differs from the config files assigned.

And if he did all they would have to do is force reset him, from the head-end and his modem would take the config file assigned.

Yes there is software out there that can be used to diagnose cable modem problems from the head-end, or at the clients house but they are well controlled and they still would not allow you to gain enough info to write the proper config file. And if you was to try and write a config file for your modem it would have to be done in the same program language as all the other config files and that is well kept to. And if you was able to get that far and upload it to the cable head end, the ISP could tell that the file was placed there and delete it.

I am personally fed up with this malarky, and i am so close to calling RR and personally asking them if this ever happened.

That is my opinion so you belivers of Violents doing go ahead and flame away.
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Post by drewwpb »

I've been reading this thread for the past week and I have to tell you that it sounds a little to good to be true....Let's see they give you a business account for free for 3 yrs, wire your whole house for free ,agree to stop calling you , pay your sisters legal fees, agree to pay for DSL if you don't like your cable ,keep your current cable modem and all RR wants is for you to turn over the codes and how you did it and agree NOT to release the codes...Hummm ,BUT after 3 months if you so choose you CAN release the codes...I find that RR would agree to that...Now what do I think really happen....I think you did find the codes ,you did uncap your modem ,you did get arrested, you did go to court,BUT you were found GUILTY and now you are serving 2 to 5 in your state prision and all of this is wishful thinking....
John

Post by John »

you were found GUILTY and now you are serving 2 to 5 in your state prision and all of this is wishful thinking....
If I was going to go to prison I don't think I would come visit speedguide.net and make up stories... I would be to busy constructing some sort of steel underwear with a lock!
Ikarus

Post by Ikarus »

Thumbs up john! heh. I believe any of you really want to know the story. You can check the ip log of this board contact the admin of the 'anonymous proxy' server to check his logs to find out Viloents real IP.

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Kip Patterson

Post by Kip Patterson »

Look, we're talking computer geek here - not even the most hardened and deprived con would stoop that low. None of us needs steel underwear.
Ikarus

Post by Ikarus »

Image

As you can see you can telnet the modem and it asks you for a password. I'm telnetting my modem via NT. :P So I'm still curious to whether this whole bit is true or not.

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Evangelion-01

Post by Evangelion-01 »

i wanna see a pic of this UL and DL speed
Ikarus

Post by Ikarus »

You wanna see speed? this is speed:

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lol! Now if only it stayed that way. Image

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Chastan

Post by Chastan »

Hey Ikarus, I know I may be asking an idiotic question, but is that IP address of your cable modem internal to the network, or is that your internet IP? How would I get access to mine?
Chastan

Post by Chastan »

Are you sure you aren't just running the telnet service under NT?
Ikarus

Post by Ikarus »

I'm 100% sure. You don't want me to whip out another one of my 'illustrated jpegs' do you? Image

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Oh well, I couldn't help myself. :P

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MtCableman

Post by MtCableman »

Ikarus is right, you can TELNET to the MODEM if you know the password. I am not sure what you will find on the other side. I am sure if it could be changed that the headend would change it back to the original settings.

As for Violent, RRunner could just terminate his service whenever they wanted to. They do not have to serve him at all. I think this is an excellent "STORY".....

I don't believe it. No proof and I don't think anyone in thier right mind would agree with those type of terms......"free service" 3 years?, Pay for a switch to the competitor?, I doubt it!

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Violent

Post by Violent »

How do I post pics to the board ?
NeoGuyver

Post by NeoGuyver »

First get a pic (which I will assume you have already done). Then send the pic to me and I will post it on my webspace and give the link to you, me Email be DarkGuyver@home.net

OR, you can do it yourself. just post the link to your pic.
NeoGuyver

Post by NeoGuyver »

See?

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56kman

Post by 56kman »

Send me them codes also please!!!!!!!!!! mman52@hotmail.com
downhill

Post by downhill »

Well as you can see,NeoGuyver,Crosswinds dosn't allow linking.
You might try using Easyspace or Virtual Ave.
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mig125

Post by mig125 »

At first I belived Violent, but after reading his "settlement" - that really sounded like a BS.
One very simple thing you could do to set this thing:
Scan the page of the verdict, just cross your name and you may cross the seal of the State and the case number - if you don't want people looking into public records.
that's it.
shouldn't take more than 5 min.
aKgLiQuiD

Post by aKgLiQuiD »

Nice arguments sorry kip just relax... please if you would send me the logs
Violent

Post by Violent »

NeoGyver - Thank you for your kind offer - Maybe I could instead send them to one of the moderators. I think sending it to one of the moderators would be best

mig25 - is that mig like the russian fighter ? Anyway, as soon as I get access to a scanner I might scan the court docs. I do not have a scanner but I will get access to one. When I do I will post the court docs. Of course they will be edited to remove references to the court - names - and location - sorry folks this is the way it has to be. It will take me a few days, so please martialcomp dont hold your breath.

Moderator - please respond giving your permission for me to send the files to you, and an email address also please?

The two pics I am going to send will be two pics showing u/l and d/l speed using internet explorer for the download and leapftp for the upload.

The operating system is Windows Millennium.Before any one says "ohhh ,,,but it must be a warezed copy because it isn't for sale yet", I was a MS beta tester for Millennium and am using the free copy that all beta testers get. Leap FTP is fully purchased and registered,version 2.6.2, and of course the cable modem and the 3com NIC. The pics are screen shots of the screen while the upload or download are taking place. These screen shots were taken with the codes (I guess I should refer to them more as commands) in use.

I also have pics of my last vacation if you would prefer those,,, Image

So when I get a moderators permission to send him the files I will send as soon as possible.
MtCableman

Post by MtCableman »

Originally posted by Violent:
How do I post pics to the board ?

This is from someone who "uncapped" his cable modem?......


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Violent

Post by Violent »

MtCableman
Thats right. I tried to post the pics but it would not let me. Can you post a pic ?

Originally posted by MtCableman:

This is from someone who "uncapped" his cable modem?......


NeoGuyver

Post by NeoGuyver »

That is very true Violent. I know you don't know me, so I was hesitant to even offer because I had a feeling you'd rather have someone who is part of this site do it instead. However, you can still do it yourself if you wish, just get some webspace or set up an FTP, type in

(img)Web-address(/img)

Also, use the [ ] brackets instead of the ( ) Brackets. and the image will come right up. I.E. http://www.crosswinds.net/~NeoGuyver/GuyverHead5.jpg = Image
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Post by Brent »

did you upload them to a server?

send me the pics, I can upload them and put them in

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Violent

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Brent:

Pics sent to your email
MtCableman

Post by MtCableman »

Originally posted by Violent:
MtCableman
Thats right. I tried to post the pics but it would not let me. Can you post a pic ?


Hmmm let me see.....
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Post by Brent »

These are being posted by request, and there is no endorsement or criticism stated or implied by their posting. I am neither in belief or disbelief, I will leave it up to YOU to decide if you believe it or not. That said here are the pics he sent me to Upload so you all can see them.

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"Brent:

These are pics of my upload and down load. For the download I used the same
server that Ikarus used in his posted picture. I figured that using the same
file and server that he did would only be fair. Besides, I dont get these
speeds all the time, the routers and servers you need to pass thru on the net
really slow things down at times.

I wanted to really post pictures before but i wanted to show the speeds out on
the internet not just on my own network where they are reproducable everytime.
Good, fast, servers are few and far between at times. I just happen to get
lucky with the site that Ikarus used for his download. I tried it several
times and the lowest speed that I got from that server was 346 K/sec and well
the highest i could get from it was as shown in the download pic using
internet explorer. I have seen a few sites that offered up to the 1.2 Mb that
I reported previously but they are usually crowded and I must wait till the
wee hours of the morning to get good this type of speed from them.

As far as the upload is concerned, this site has always given me great speeds
for upload. You can see the speed in the picture using Leap FTP. Uploads of
course have the same restrictions as downloads as far as passing thru routers
and things like that. Like I said tho this site was my best chance to get a
good shot of the upload speed as its characteristics are known to me.

These speeds vary at times of course. I never said that they were rock steady
all the time.

At any rate here are the pics. Please post them along with the information in
this email as stated above."


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fanta

Post by fanta »

It's about time Brent!! heh well well well looks like we have something debatable to discuss here. I'm sure the court doc pics would lend a lot of credibilty towards Violent.
Note: Anyone willing to bet that this thread will be the most popular on speedguide?


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