I have a beautiful house there up in the mountains and I can speak arabic. (He doesn't) but Im not stupid enough to go now. #1 Im american, #2 Im Catholic (By birth) so thats 2 strikes right there against me. Im not dumb.Debbie wrote:oh boy
Wouldn't this cover forced bible study in school? Forcing all children to study the Christian bible as fact would, in my eyes, contradict this rule. Essentially, "Seperation of church and state" sounds just like that. Sure, the constitution doesn't use that exact wording, but that's pretty much what it mean. Or at least that's how many people have interpreted it. In my opinion, religion should be left out of schools all together. It has no place there at all. ID is a joke too. Evolution is a theory, not 100% fact and that's what's so great about it. Scientists don't claim to know everything 100% but they're willing to learn and find out more and more and not just place everything down to "faith".Jefferson made it clear in his letter to the Danbury Congregation that the separation was to be that government would not establish a national religion or dictate to men how to worship God.
He is doing what God calls us to do. He is doing a GREAT thing.thepieman wrote:I just got a letter from my cousin down in Georgia who converted from Marionite Catholic to Baptist, and he was asking for a donation so that he and a bunch of people could go and try to convert Moslems in Lebanon of all places, right in the heart of Beirut. I hope he stays safe and in one piece. Why can't people leave well enough alone and let people be who they want to be? This is how **** starts.
The world isn'g going to get any better untill Christ returns.thepieman wrote:I have a beautiful house there up in the mountains and I can speak arabic. (He doesn't) but Im not stupid enough to go now. #1 Im american, #2 Im Catholic (By birth) so thats 2 strikes right there against me. Im not dumb.
He's picking a bad time to try to convert people.
so why don't you quit your job, go get a van with a big sign on the side saying, jesus saves, and drive around this great country of ours and spread the word.Brent wrote:It is responses like these I've seen in this thread here that remind me how lost the world really is.
Maybe he is, but he may also die doing this great thing you speak of. I dunno if you are aware of it but theres a lot of problems going on in the middle east. Maybe you have been away on retreat or something?Brent wrote:He is doing what God calls us to do. He is doing a GREAT thing.
I know you don't understand. If you truely want to understand though read the bible and ask God for the understanding.
He's doing good work, God will bring him home when it is his time.thepieman wrote:Maybe he is, but he may also die doing this great thing you speak of. I dunno if you are aware of it but theres a lot of problems going on in the middle east. Maybe you have been away on retreat or something?
I would think maybe downtown Atlanta would be a better place to start preaching to convert people.
Yeah so were those Missionaries in Iraq too and I guess it was there time to go home too. I say let sleeping dogs lie. Push yourself on someone and they may just push back twice as hard.Brent wrote:He's doing good work, God will bring him home when it is his time.
He is a braver man than I.
Hmmm...seeing as how the Greek gods predate Christianity and Judaism by a few hundred years, I'd be inclined to agreestevebakh wrote:Oh, as for the Christian bible being fact.... you're wrong. It's actually a fact that Zeus and the rest of the Greek gods/deities are the real creators. All those heathens who claim they're mythological beings should burn. Zeus is my god and yours too.
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stevebakh wrote:If I was to die right now, where would I go? Nowhere I should imagine - well maybe to the hospital and then probably have a post-mortem done to detrimine the cause of death. Then maybe have my body buried straight into the dirt or have it burnt away - who knows. All the neurons and electical impulses will have stopped in my brain by then, so I'll no longer "exist" as it were. I'd be dead, gone, finished and that's part of life.
Don't get me wrong, the concept of an afterlife is all very nice, I mean, who wouldn't like to believe that when they die they're not really finished and gone, that there's more, that we're essentially immortal? It's a very nice idea, very human, but still nice. But we have reality.
When we say "God" in school, it will mean any God. We don't teach a specific religion in public schools. God and religion are not the same thing. Its saying a specific name that could make ppl upset, so we just say God or Creator when teaching Intelligent Design. Its not a huge change. Nobody dies of wrighting a report on it. I'm pretty glad Intelligent Design is geting in our schools. Its good to be equal.thepieman wrote:Yeah who's truth is that? The Buddhists? The Taoists? The American Indians? Who's truth are we going to allow to be taught? Should it be only the Christian theory?
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Equal with Science? You are a Christian why would you need to be equal with science?Saboka32 wrote:When we say "God" in school, it will mean any God. We don't teach a specific religion in public schools. God and religion are not the same thing. Its saying a specific name that could make ppl upset, so we just say God or Creator when teaching Intelligent Design. Its not a huge change. Nobody dies of wrighting a report on it. I'm pretty glad Intelligent Design is geting in our schools. Its good to be equal.
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The teacher would say God. Not Allah or Jesus, Nothing specific. I have a muslim friends and he says God all the time. God means what ever it means in our heads when we hear it. But even if I heard the world Allah in school I would not care. And equal with science? I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying that I have all the answers? I would be carful Pieman, We can learn many things and still be wrong. knowledge tends to make men arrorgant. I guess what i'm tying to say is, INTELLIGENT DESIGN IS NO BIG DEAL. *cough* excuse me.thepieman wrote:Equal with Science? You are a Christian why would you need to be equal with science?
So if they substitute the word Allah (which also means god) then there would be no problems? You'd be cool with that?
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Somehow I doubt very much a Christian would want to say Allah instead of the word God even tho it means the same thing. Maybe you personally wouldn't mind but I know it would be a problem.Saboka32 wrote:The teacher would say God. Not Allah or Jesus, Nothing specific. I have a muslim friends and he says God all the time. God means what ever it means in our heads when we hear it. But even if I heard the world Allah in school I would not care. And equal with science? I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying that I have all the answers? I would be carful Pieman, We can learn many things and still be wrong. knowledge tends to make men arrorgant. I guess what i'm tying to say is, INTELLIGENT DESIGN IS NO BIG DEAL. *cough* excuse me.
Is it me or is political correctness "WAY" out of control? Someone needs to smack this planet up.
You said its good to be equal. I didn't understand what you had meant by that. Equal with what? Science? That Religeon is edging its way into public schools? Equal with what? Whats the Equality that you are talking about?Saboka32 wrote:When we say "God" in school, it will mean any God. We don't teach a specific religion in public schools. God and religion are not the same thing. Its saying a specific name that could make ppl upset, so we just say God or Creator when teaching Intelligent Design. Its not a huge change. Nobody dies of wrighting a report on it. I'm pretty glad Intelligent Design is geting in our schools. Its good to be equal.
I see your problem. Your bias. Most likly a brand of Atheist from your tone. You can't handle other ideals other than your own. They sicken you don't they? Listen. I don't care much for evolution, Too many holes in it. and several ppl have great faith in that theroy. But I and a billion others don't. We are sick and tired of it being cramed down our throats and our children's as we'll, like its the one and great truth. If you got evidence that God didn't play a role in our oragins then please bring it up. (which you can't.) Other wise your acting on your faith. (which is the minority) So lets play nice and study both sides. (Equality)thepieman wrote:Somehow I doubt very much a Christian would want to say Allah instead of the word God even tho it means the same thing. Maybe you personally wouldn't mind but I know it would be a problem.
as far as the science comment goes.
You said its good to be equal. I didn't understand what you had meant by that. Equal with what? Science? That Religeon is edging its way into public schools? Equal with what? Whats the Equality that you are talking about?
As far as arrogance goes , Im but a humble man and I would not be so bold as to expect those that are different from me to have to accept my ideas and thoughts in a place of learning if it was something that should be kept personal. You have your bible, you have your Church and you have your home . Theres no need to bring your religeon into the public schools as well, unless its a private school intended for that purpose. Public Schools are a place to educate the kids and not for religeous classes or bible study.
Saboka32 wrote:I see your problem. Your bias. Most likly a brand of Atheist from your tone. You can't handle other ideals other than your own. They sicken you don't they? Listen. I don't care much for evolution, Too many holes in it. and several ppl have great faith in that theroy. But I and a billion others don't. We are sick and tired of it being cramed down our throats and our children's as we'll, like its the one and great truth. If you got evidence that God didn't play a role in our oragins then please bring it up. (which you can't.) Other wise your acting on your faith. (which is the minority) So lets play nice and study both sides. (Equality)
Wether Im atheist or not has nothing to do with shoving your religeon into the school system. Im not the one trying to tout myself off as being the one with the right religeon that I need to have it taught in school that there is no god. Equal playing field and understanding that there are other people with other beliefs in this country is what I would like administered.Saboka32 wrote:I see your problem. Your bias. Most likly a brand of Atheist from your tone. You can't handle other ideals other than your own. They sicken you don't they? Listen. I don't care much for evolution, Too many holes in it. and several ppl have great faith in that theroy. But I and a billion others don't. We are sick and tired of it being cramed down my throat and our children's as we'll, like its the one and great truth. If you got evidence that God didn't play a role in our oragins then please bring it up. (which you can't.) Other wise your acting on your faith. (which is the minority) So lets play nice and study both sides.
Wait... so what about the people that don't believe in that ONE god, or the same creation theory as Christians / Jews / Muslims? Do we teach every theory, including the ones with background of more than one god? You know, we now accept the Greek mythological gods as just that, mythological. I wish I would live to see the day where people cast off the christian concept of god just as easily. Afterall, this is what ID is based around. You say it's just about god, not the religion, but in reality, it's based on the christian concept of god.Saboka32 wrote:*sigh* God isnt religion ppl. Religion is how you worship God. So putting God is our schools is perfectly fine. If the origins of evolution (which can't be proven anymore than Intelligent design becouse they are both theories) is tought, then they should both be tought. Its only right. Your not being converted here. its all learning and science. Do you think you have to bring your bible or tora to school to study? No. Its all in the text books you will be given. Or mabe one book, and you probly will find evolution first and then Intelligent design right afterwards.
God was in public schools long before any of us where born. He was their first. Then taken out. With our schools in the shap their in, I'm all for bringing him back in. Now what you need to understand is that Intelligent design is not religous dogma anymore than evolution is. All it is, is an alterative theory to whats being taught now. Thats it. Accept it, becouse it looks like its coming.thepieman wrote:Wether Im atheist or not has nothing to do with shoving your religeon into the school system. Im not the one trying to tout myself off as being the one with the right religeon that I need to have it taught in school that there is no god. Equal playing field and understanding that there are other people with other beliefs in this country is what I would like administered.
Ok, so , rather then have evolution which is a non-religeon based theory shoved down your kids throats, you will shove your bible down the childrens throats of other parents kids who may or may not practice the same religeon as you?
You have your church, why isn't that a sufficient place to teach your kids creationism? The theory of evolution is a theory, a scientific theory, not a story from a bible, or a koran, or a torah. A theory is not intended to be a fact or it would be labeled as a fact and not a theory. We have bones from different periods showing the different statures and bone structures, we have ways of testing and dating these bones, they are there for people to see in museums around the world. Scientists can show the different timelines using these bones. What have you to offer? A book? A book re-written, re-translated thousands of times over, tailored to suit the rulers of the time periods of each dynasty. This is your idea of science? I don't see what your problem is, I see Christian and Catholic schools all over the place, and when i wanted my son to have a religeous Education I placed him in Catholic school and paid for that level of education that I thought he needed.
Greek gods are false. Have been proven false. and died off. Thats why the're not around. But I'm sure the books will say somthing like "Creators or Creator"stevebakh wrote:Wait... so what about the people that don't believe in that ONE god, or the same creation theory as Christians / Jews / Muslims? Do we teach every theory, including the ones with background of more than one god? You know, we now accept the Greek mythological gods as just that, mythological. I wish I would live to see the day where people cast off the christian concept of god just as easily. Afterall, this is what ID is based around. You say it's just about god, not the religion, but in reality, it's based on the christian concept of god.
No, Thats math for math class. But I did learn english in Sunday school. The theory will not cover from the begining to now. just the begining. like an alterative to the big bang.Izzo wrote:...they certainly aren't teaching Algebra in church nor do I think they would ever teach any general education courses...unless it was finance to help count the collection pot......no reason Bible studies should be taught in school unless it is private.
if you allow one religion in school you gotta put all of em in ..... at least in the day and age of our litigious society and (puke) political correctness
God isn't religeon. OKSaboka32 wrote:*sigh* God isnt religion ppl. Religion is how you worship God. So putting God is our schools is perfectly fine. If the origins of evolution (which can't be proven anymore than Intelligent design becouse they are both theories) is tought, then they should both be tought. Its only right. Your not being converted here. its all learning and science. Do you think you have to bring your bible or tora to school to study? No. Its all in the text books you will be given. Or mabe one book, and you probly will find evolution first and then Intelligent design right afterwards.
Wait...How were they "proven" false?Saboka32 wrote:Greek gods are false. Have been proven false. and died off. Thats why the're not around. But I'm sure the books will say somthing like "Creators or Creator"
I don't understand tho. You said this was not to be a specific creator or God. So how do we know it couldn't be Zeus or Athena. I thought you had said it was a theory? The people that believed in Greek Gods were from a time even before the Bible was written. They were closer to the age of our birth then even the authors of Old Testament. Maybe they know something we didn't? I have seen the Parthenon in Greece, and the Theater of Dionysis as well. They built these buildings in honor of them, and they still stand today thousands of years old. I guess since you said it was proved as false (You never said who proved it as being fasle) that it won't be a possibility.Saboka32 wrote:Greek gods are false. Have been proven false. and died off. Thats why the're not around. But I'm sure the books will say somthing like "Creators or Creator"
.Eurynome, the goddess of all creation, arose from Chaos and separated the sea from the sky. Then, dancing naked upon the waves, she created the wind and rubbed it in her hands to create the serpent Ophion, who made love to her. Pregnant, Eurynome laid the World Egg, and Ophion coiled around it and hatched it. This egg brought forth the cosmos and everything in it. Eurynome and Ophion settled on Mount Olympus, and here, soon, Ophion was proclaiming himself creator. Eurynome, angry, banished him to the netherworld. Then she established the seven planets, each with a Titan and Titaness to rule it. When man appeared, he sprang from the soil, and the first man, Pelasgus, taught the others to eat acorns, build huts, and make clothes
