anyone following the gaza strip pullout?

Meggie · Post by **Meggie** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 2:22 pm

Its really sad.

heres an article

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8931552/

and a picture slideshow

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8960261/dis ... /1107/s/2/ (just click the picture to advance to a new one)

mountainman · Post by **mountainman** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 2:34 pm

Been getting updates on NPR everyday.

That would be a pretty ****ty way to get thrown out of your house just because your government doesn't get along with their neighbors.

Idiots.

Meggie · Post by **Meggie** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 2:42 pm

mountainman wrote:Been getting updates on NPR everyday.

That would be a pretty ****ty way to get thrown out of your house just because your government doesn't get along with their neighbors.

Idiots.

some are really nice houses too, we arent talking mud huts and stuff... its like ww2 all over again, removing jewish people from their houses and taking them elseware..

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 2:45 pm

It won't change a single thing.

Meggie · Post by **Meggie** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 2:55 pm

Burke wrote:It won't change a single thing.

except the whole lives of the people getting kicked out.

Zilog B · Post by **Zilog B** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 2:58 pm

And the US taxpayer is paying their moving bill. What a load of crap.

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:01 pm

Religion is destroying that part of the world I tells ya..

mountainman · Post by **mountainman** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:02 pm

Yeah.. did you see the house they were bulldozing in the Slide Show?

VERY nice houses.

I hear this area is basically 1st world suberbs with coast line just off the way. Man, that blows royally for them.

It WILL change stuff. Now, the Palestinian "government" knows now that Isreal will back down...yet again.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:04 pm

Meggie wrote:some are really nice houses too, we arent talking mud huts and stuff... its like ww2 all over again, removing jewish people from their houses and taking them elseware..

They are being very well compensated for the move. If you think that having to move out of one area to another is that bad, what about 40+ years of not having a homeland at all and living behind fences segregated,or in other countries as refugees unable to even return home for a visit? Those houses were built there against UN rulings and they knew that there might come a time that this would happen. If it stops the bloodshed ,then I hope things go smoothly.

mountainman · Post by **mountainman** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:07 pm

I just heard a woman on NPR yesterday talking about how she got 60% of market value for her house and land.

That's well compensated?

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:07 pm

Meggie wrote:except the whole lives of the people getting kicked out.

It won't do anything to change the dynamic of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Clearer?

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:13 pm

mountainman wrote:I just heard a woman on NPR yesterday talking about how she got 60% of market value for her house and land.

That's well compensated?

On the news they said 400K for each house and if they didn't leave on the deadline they lose 20% of the offer, plus a bunch of american businessmen have been giving money to compensate them.
a lot of them are burning the places down just to be spiteful so by rights they shouldn't recieve a penny for destroying the property. How many houses and farms have been totally bulldozed over the years because they said terrorists lived in them when there wasn't? This should alleviate any problems that have been in the past, and as Sharon has said, after the pullout if there are any problems the retribution will be swift and worse then anything they have ever seen before. If this is what they said was what kept them from peace in the past, then they should get this little piece of land if it means peace. Its worth that much if there wont be bloodshed from either side.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:16 pm

mountainman wrote:I just heard a woman on NPR yesterday talking about how she got 60% of market value for her house and land.

That's well compensated?

if they didn't leave voluntarily they were due to lose 1/3 rd of their settlements

fastchevy · Post by **fastchevy** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:17 pm

If they were on the land illegally they shouldn't get a ****ing thing.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:18 pm

Burke wrote:It won't do anything to change the dynamic of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Clearer?

have to agree ..the palestinians militants are using this as propaganda saying the blood they've shed has led to this point ... keep on fighting and well ..you get the idea

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:20 pm

There will never be peace...they could give up the entire country and live on a Huckleberry Finn raft in the Mediterranean and many Palestinians would STILL want more.

in2deep · Post by **in2deep** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:41 pm

The support from the US of people like this who have illegally settled on land which they have no legal right to is a constant source of amazement.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:45 pm

Burke wrote:There will never be peace...they could give up the entire country and live on a Huckleberry Finn raft in the Mediterranean and many Palestinians would STILL want more.

What do they have now? Nothing. The settlers that are there are the ones that want more.They have over 80% of the country yet they won't give up that strip of land. Who is being selfish?

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:55 pm

thepieman wrote:What do they have now? Nothing. The settlers that are there are the ones that want more.They have over 80% of the country yet they won't give up that strip of land. Who is being selfish?

Sigh.

It's not a judgment on the selfishness of either side. Sharon's capo regime and the pro-Palestinian world at large falsely believe that this kind of capitulation is some "first step" in ending terrorism. It's not. It will continue as it always has, with a lull in attacks after the pullout is finished, and then it's right back to bombing people at cafes.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:05 pm

Burke wrote:Sigh.

It's not a judgment on the selfishness of either side. Sharon's capo regime and the pro-Palestinian world at large falsely believe that this kind of capitulation is some "first step" in ending terrorism. It won't. It will continue as it always has, with a lull in attacks after the pullout is finished, and then it's right back to bombing people at cafes.

More then likely yes, by the same people that you see fighting peace. There are people on both sides who I believe would go to any means to keep the fighting going, including killing their own people to accomplish their goals and blame it on the other side. I still think that this is a step in the right direction and the majority want peace and hopefully they will be the ones to discern what warrants action and what warrants caution. The Palestinians don't have the manufacturing means to make those weapons they use against the Israelis, and the Israelis ARE monitoring them constantly, so how does that stuff get through? There are people profiting from all this warring on both sides, Im sure they won't like the loss in income either.

Pie

in2deep · Post by **in2deep** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:05 pm

Sharon's capo regime and the pro-Palestinian world at large

to quote Burke, :sigh:

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 6:02 pm

thepieman wrote:On the news they said 400K for each house and if they didn't leave on the deadline they lose 20% of the offer,.

Is that a flat rate? I don't know what the real estate market is like over there, but for example, I'd be ripping pissed if I was given the chump change of 400k to leave my house. Better than nothing I guess one could say, but not knowing the market over there, it surely could be just 50 or 60% of the actual value.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 6:20 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Is that a flat rate? I don't know what the real estate market is like over there, but for example, I'd be ripping pissed if I was given the chump change of 400k to leave my house. Better than nothing I guess one could say, but not knowing the market over there, it surely could be just 50 or 60% of the actual value.

I can imagine how many Palestinian houses were bulldozed over and no compensation was given at all. They should consider themselves lucky that they can walk away with 400,000. How many factories blown to bits by missles and bombs. The Palestinians are in for a great deal of work ahead of them if they are to get on their own 2 feet economically. I am pretty sure that 400,000$ US will be fine over there. We restored a 150 year old stone house, fully modernized and improved the land for under 20,000 in Lebanon. I would imagine its around the same there. 400k=1,796,458 shekels

cho · Post by **cho** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:14 pm

Doesn't matter that they are pulling out anyways. So what, they are giving the land back that they had no right to in the first place. They are just going to surround it with Jewish settlements anyways and cut the Gaza Strip off from all the other Palastinian settlements.