What Americans don't see.

blacklab · Post by **blacklab** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:12 am

How come none of these pictures are not on CNN?

I guess pictures like these don't sell newspapers.

Humboldt · Post by **Humboldt** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:44 am

I like pictures like those.

Joint Chiefs of Staff · Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:45 am

The media focuses on death, mayhem and destruction. This sort of journalism is suppose to draw in the masses.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:49 am

Repost, but maybe not reposted enough?

Happiness must not sell well.

BaghDaddy · Post by **BaghDaddy** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:24 am

Great pictures,

That is an everyday occurance over here, the little kids love the Americans so much.

Yesterday soldiers stopped and was handing out candy to little kids, and a freaking coward in his car loaded with explosives drove right into the middle of them and detonated.

They have no morals, they will kill anybody. The soldiers that lived will be haunted the rest of there lives by that scene.

All the Amreican's, Soldier's, Marine's, Air Force, or Navy here love these little children so much.

Joint Chiefs of Staff · Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:27 am

BaghDaddy wrote:
All the Amreican's, Soldier's, Marine's, Air Force, or Navy here love these little children so much.

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 8:07 am

The homey snaps are pleasant to see, and they do get some airtime... However my dear friends of SG, this is still a war. Here is a clip from yesterday, take from it what you will. Note the attached photo.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/07/ ... index.html

AceFireball · Post by **AceFireball** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:06 pm

Two Words:

Liberal Media

They dont want you to see the good things that are going on, almost like a communist nation except for the fact that its not controlled by the government. But rather by private companies that many choose to listen to.

mountainman · Post by **mountainman** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:08 pm

nepenthe wrote:The homey snaps are pleasant to see, and they do get some airtime... However my dear friends of SG, this is still a war. Here is a clip from yesterday, take from it what you will. Note the attached photo.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/07/ ... index.html

Thanks for bringing me down in this thread of happiness.

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:09 pm

AceFireball wrote:Two Words:

Liberal Media

They dont want you to see the good things that are going on, almost like a communist nation except for the fact that its not controlled by the government. But rather by private companies that many choose to listen to.

Well lookie at the brains on Ace.

David · Post by **David** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:09 pm

AceFireball wrote:Two Words:

Liberal Media

They dont want you to see the good things that are going on, almost like a communist nation except for the fact that its not controlled by the government. But rather by private companies that many choose to listen to.

Perhaps then you can see these heartwarming photos on FoxNews. The Bush propaganda machine would assuredly press them through their favorite outlet.

That said, it is important to show that our troupes do care for the civilian population.

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:14 pm

Hell_Yes wrote:Perhaps then you can see these heartwarming photos on FoxNews. The Bush propaganda machine would assuredly press them through their favorite outlet.

That said, it is important to show that our troupes do care for the civilian population.

Forget it Ace he was talking about the french soldiers..

J/k hellyes

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:20 pm

Spammy wrote:Forget it Ace he was talking about the french soldiers..

J/k hellyes

LOL

De Plano · Post by **De Plano** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:34 pm

AceFireball wrote:Two Words:

Liberal Media

They dont want you to see the good things that are going on, almost like a communist nation except for the fact that its not controlled by the government. But rather by private companies that many choose to listen to.

It takes a tin foil hat to make a blanket liberal media statement.

So Fox is liberal media? I am not seeing all kinds of warm fuzzy footage from Iraq on Fox, so I guess it is liberal

It has been proven time and time again that the media is not signifigantly biased towards one political party.

They only have a half an hour to cover everything that happened in the world that day. Would you rather see soldiers handing out candy, or hear about what happened to 6 soldiers that died? If they just covered candy passers and left out what was happening with casualties what would you call that?

Some networks have a bias to them, but calling all media liberal is laughable, and a marker of your own blind bias

mountainman · Post by **mountainman** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:40 pm

As a side note, I HAVE seen some pictures like that on FoxNews.

De Plano · Post by **De Plano** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:46 pm

I have seen them on NBC and CBS, and those are the only two I get. So I imagine they are on all the stations, they just get forgotten about when there are twenty stories about soldiers dieng and being attacked.

David · Post by **David** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:55 pm

Spammy wrote:Forget it Ace he was talking about the french soldiers..

J/k hellyes

I have a bad habit of using that spelling. So, I will permit you the oxymoron of "French soldier".

(J/K)

be well Sammy,
d

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:11 pm

Hell_Yes wrote:I have a bad habit of using that spelling. So, I will permit you the oxymoron of "French soldier".

(J/K)

be well Sammy,
d

Thanks homie

Right back @ ya

Ashdaw · Post by **Ashdaw** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:46 pm

Thanks for posting these pics BlackLab. We dont get to see them in OZ either

stevebakh · Post by **stevebakh** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:43 am

Two Words:

Liberal Media

They dont want you to see the good things that are going on, almost like a communist nation except for the fact that its not controlled by the government. But rather by private companies that many choose to listen to.

Thankyou maddox...

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish

Liberal media: Whiny, bitching, cry-baby conservatives love to prattle on and on about the "liberal media." To be fair, except for FOX News (Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, John Gibson, Neil Cavuto, Steve Doocy, E.D. Hill, Brian Kilmeade, Brit Hume), Clear Channel, Laura Ingraham, Dr. Laura, Rush Limbaugh, Hugh Hewitt, Ann Coulter, Newsmax, G. Gordon Liddy, Michael Reagan, Michael Savage, The New York Post, Sinclair Broadcast Group (WLOS13, Fox 45, WTTO21, WB49, KGAN, WICD, WICS, WCHS, WVAH, WTAT, WSTR, WSYX, WTTE, WKEF, WRGT, KDSM, WSMH, WXLV, WURN, KVWB, KFBT, WDKY, WMSN, WVTV, WEAR, WZTV, KOTH, WYZZ, WPGH, WGME, WLFL, WRLH, WUHF, KABB, WGGB, WSYT, WTTA), David Horowitz, Rupert Murdoch, PAX, and MSNBC's Joe Scarborough, they're right.

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 6:36 pm

yeah, cuz everything in the world is so warm and fuzzy

Saboka32 · Post by **Saboka32** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:16 pm

blacklab wrote:How come none of these pictures are not on CNN?

I guess pictures like these don't sell newspapers.

Becouse the majority of CNN are liberal Bush hating hippies, and if they can make Bush or the war look bad they will. Most media types think this way. Pretty fair and balanced aint it? Anyone remember watching CNN on the 2004 election night, It was like watching a morg. Even when bush won, and every other network and even "kerry" said he lost, CNN didnt see it that way. They wouldn't admit Bush won t'ill early morning hours.

Saboka32 · Post by **Saboka32** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:20 pm

mountainman wrote:As a side note, I HAVE seen some pictures like that on FoxNews.

Fox rocks

They show good pictures all the time. Very positive. Thats why their ratings are up.

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:24 pm

bush-hating hippies? are you for real?
It doesn't take either a bush hater or a hippy to make him look bad, he does a fine job on his own. And if you think that the media is just "painting a bad picture" of the war in Iraq then you ought to sell those rose-colored glasses of yours along with the kool-aid you ingested in 2000.

Saboka32 · Post by **Saboka32** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:36 pm

Blisster wrote:bush-hating hippies? are you for real?
It doesn't take either a bush hater or a hippy to make him look bad, he does a fine job on his own. And if you think that the media is just "painting a bad picture" of the war in Iraq then you ought to sell those rose-colored glasses of yours along with the kool-aid you ingested in 2000.

Thanks blisster, Your a wonderful example of the staff at CNN.

De Plano · Post by **De Plano** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:37 pm

[quote="Saboka32"]Fox rocks ]

Broadcast TV news shows them rebuilding stuff all the time, it is just forgotten about when the next segment is about the latest roadside bombing

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:45 pm

Saboka32 wrote:Becouse the majority of CNN are liberal Bush hating hippies, and if they can make Bush or the war look bad they will. Most media types think this way. Pretty fair and balanced aint it? Anyone remember watching CNN on the 2004 election night, It was like watching a morg. Even when bush won, and every other network and even "kerry" said he lost, CNN didnt see it that way. They wouldn't admit Bush won t'ill early morning hours.

Karl, is that you?

Tell you what...I figure I have around 30 years or so left.........Take your time and show me your proof. Just because Fox and talk radio have made that their mantra for the last 20 years, isn't exactly proof...In fact I think that subject has been covered here before. Take your time..

Now back to the topic, blacklab...thanks for the repost. Those are indeed heartwarming.

CNN HAS broadcast pics like that. So has ABC, NBC and so forth. Fox has too, as well as the same things that really get anyone's attention in war. The gristly ghastly stuff...

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:54 pm

Saboka32 wrote:Thanks blisster, Your a wonderful example of the staff at CNN.

let's see....

recovered the WMD's.......nope
caught the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks.......nope
brought economic stability.....nope
balanced the budget.....nope
****, well at least now that we've conquered Iraq the price of oil is down.....nope
at least the terrorists are on the run......nope
the list goes on and on.

and now he wont even make good on his promise to remove the individual responsible for outing CIA agent Valerie Plame from his administration. Why is that? Maybe because without Rove pulling his strings he wond't know what to do? hmmmm.

sorry if having a different worldview and political ideology from you makes you think of me as a "hippy" but I can assure you that when confronted by force, I don't counter with flowers.

Believe what you want and think of me as you will, I could care less, but keep your moral and ethical judgements to yourself.

now excuse me while I go finish my stir-fried tempeh with veggies and brown rice.

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:55 pm

ooooooooooo, theres a story on Fox news right now about a fireman that rescued a cat from a tree!!!!!! yay!!!!!!!

Saboka32 · Post by **Saboka32** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:37 pm

Blisster wrote:let's see....

recovered the WMD's.......nope
caught the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks.......nope
brought economic stability.....nope
balanced the budget.....nope
****, well at least now that we've conquered Iraq the price of oil is down.....nope
at least the terrorists are on the run......nope
the list goes on and on.

and now he wont even make good on his promise to remove the individual responsible for outing CIA agent Valerie Plame from his administration. Why is that? Maybe because without Rove pulling his strings he wond't know what to do? hmmmm.

sorry if having a different worldview and political ideology from you makes you think of me as a "hippy" but I can assure you that when confronted by force, I don't counter with flowers.

Believe what you want and think of me as you will, I could care less, but keep your moral and ethical judgements to yourself.

now excuse me while I go finish my stir-fried tempeh with veggies and brown rice.

First of all, I was typing to blacklab not you silly, Regardless of the things we did or didnt do the Iraqies are very thankful for us getting rid of that tyrant. So lets not get so worked up here. Also, anyone who watched CNN the night of the election Knows they were very much so "deperssed" when kerry lost. Now why would that be? But anyhoo my opinion is mine and a billion others. Ya know other ppl have opinions other than you. I'm not going to tell them to keep it to themselves

*Turns on fox news*

Save the kitten!

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:39 pm

point taken, my bad, fair enough.

triniwasp · Post by **triniwasp** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:07 pm

Those pics are good to see, because that is part of the story. As long as we remember that Bush planned to invade Iraq long before 9/11 and we have no business being there. Nothing that we have "accomplished" is worth one of our soldiers lives, let alone the 1000 + that will never feel the sun on their face again.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:28 pm

[quote="Saboka32"] . Also, anyone who watched CNN the night of the election Knows they were very much so "deperssed" when kerry lost. Now why would that be? But anyhoo my opinion is mine and a billion others. Ya know other ppl have opinions other than you. I'm not going to tell them to keep it to themselves ]

psssssst...come closer....Fox called it for Bush in 2000 before the Florida vote was even close...CNN and the rest of them followed suit. It was such a mess that the networks agreed...INCUDING Fox to not do so again. After all, when this was done and even in elections past, the voting places hadn't closed out west and it's pretty much known that there are a block of people who are easily swayed by the idea they want to vote for the winner...

Guess what...In 2004, Fox did it again. Called the election early. If by your reasoning CNN waited till most of the votes were in..(watched it on CNN, Fox and others so no putting spin on this young Saboka) then CNN was doing exactly as a network was supposed to do in this situation.

Is there a network bias? Yes.... Is Fox fair and balanced?

triniwasp · Post by **triniwasp** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:45 pm

Here is a source for good news folks, I highly reccomend it:

http://www.commondreams.org/

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 11:43 pm

http://www.unmetneeds.com

Saboka32 · Post by **Saboka32** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 8:52 am

downhill wrote:psssssst...come closer....Fox called it for Bush in 2000 before the Florida vote was even close...CNN and the rest of them followed suit. It was such a mess that the networks agreed...INCUDING Fox to not do so again. After all, when this was done and even in elections past, the voting places hadn't closed out west and it's pretty much known that there are a block of people who are easily swayed by the idea they want to vote for the winner...

Guess what...In 2004, Fox did it again. Called the election early. If by your reasoning CNN waited till most of the votes were in..(watched it on CNN, Fox and others so no putting spin on this young Saboka) then CNN was doing exactly as a network was supposed to do in this situation.

Is there a network bias? Yes.... Is Fox fair and balanced?

We can rage a war about for years, I watched CNN, MSNBC and our local fox and the network cable fox, now they all called it for Mr. Bush sep for CNN. We Know that night CNN was rooting for Kerry. (Larry King was almost heart broken) lol and besides, both cases Fox was right, Bush won.

Now i'm not gonna be here all day (Family reunion) so take it easy ppl.

BaghDaddy · Post by **BaghDaddy** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:09 am

triniwasp wrote:Those pics are good to see, because that is part of the story. As long as we remember that Bush planned to invade Iraq long before 9/11 and we have no business being there. Nothing that we have "accomplished" is worth one of our soldiers lives, let alone the 1000 + that will never feel the sun on their face again.

Hello Triniwasp,

Hope you are having a great weekend.

So what you are saying is that the 1,760 soldiers that have given there life here in Iraq for the freedom of the Iraqi's was in vane?

I would have to disagree 100%, i have watched this country change so much.

1. Before there was no television, no satellite, no cars, no open trading etc...
2. People was and some are still scared to voice there opinions.
3. The little children that adore the Americans here are a god send to everyday life here, and the rebuilding of Iraq.
4. In time Iraq will be none as Paris of the Middle East, it is not going to happen over time, but in 20 to 25 years it will be.

The Soldiers, Marines, Air Force, and Navy gave there lives doing what they knew was right, and for the right cause. God bless them and i will never ever let anybody talk bad about a Brother in Arms that has given there ultimate sacrafice for freedom, and the freedom of others.

And ask anybody that has served over here if they would do it again, and they will say yes.

De Oppresso Liber

triniwasp · Post by **triniwasp** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:58 am

BaghDaddy wrote:Hello Triniwasp,

Hope you are having a great weekend.

So what you are saying is that the 1,760 soldiers that have given there life here in Iraq for the freedom of the Iraqi's was in vane?

I would have to disagree 100%, i have watched this country change so much.

1. Before there was no television, no satellite, no cars, no open trading etc...
2. People was and some are still scared to voice there opinions.
3. The little children that adore the Americans here are a god send to everyday life here, and the rebuilding of Iraq.
4. In time Iraq will be none as Paris of the Middle East, it is not going to happen over time, but in 20 to 25 years it will be.

The Soldiers, Marines, Air Force, and Navy gave there lives doing what they knew was right, and for the right cause. God bless them and i will never ever let anybody talk bad about a Brother in Arms that has given there ultimate sacrafice for freedom, and the freedom of others.

And ask anybody that has served over here if they would do it again, and they will say yes.

De Oppresso Liber

It may happen in 20 or 25 years, but Saddam would have been gone by then anyway; death, a coup, something. Let's not forget 3 years ago there were lots of pictures like the ones posted except they said Saddam instead of Mr. Bush. I have nothing but love for our service men and women. Nor am I talking bad about them. They gave their lives because our government ordered them to, I don't think leveling an entire country for oil made them feel right. Iraq is far worse off than it has ever been in recent history, IMO. The had all the things you say they didn't before they were invaded, and if any of those things were in short supply it is only because of the sanctions imposed by the UN, proposed and pushed for by us. I've said it before and I'll say it agian:In our world there are plenty heads of state that are just as bad if not worse than Saddam Hussein, but he was the only one with oil. Until we get the hell out of there Americans will continue to die needlessly.

triniwasp · Post by **triniwasp** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:00 pm

ps bahgdaddy

You have a great weekend as well

BaghDaddy · Post by **BaghDaddy** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:24 pm

[quote="triniwasp"]It may happen in 20 or 25 years, but Saddam would have been gone by then anyway]

Sadam would not allow any house to have a Satellite, they was not allowed to watch any other channel besides what he broadcast VHF to the houses, that showed only his propaganda.

No cell phones was allowed under Sadam.

If you was caught not celebrating his Birthday you was killed.

No Iraqi that was not a Batth Party member was ever allowed on the airport road or even to the airport.

Sadam had numerous training camps for insurgents to come and go freely for training with his secret police.

His secret police intimidated everybody to the point that they was so scared to even go out shopping.

All women basically had to stay in there houses, as they was scared Uday's goon squad would come and take them to his palace for his sick pleasures. And quite a few of those ladies ended up as the tigers night time meal for his enjoyment.

To present day, the majority are dressing with western style clothes. The women are coming out to the beauty shops, having there hair and nails done.

Yes the insurgents have majorty of them scared to go out walking right now, but they still do.

IMHO it is not about the oil, as it is taking the Iraqi's millions and millions to get the infastructure rebuilt, when they finish one pipe line and move to the other, the insurgents blow up a section of the newly installed pipeline.

Just my nickles worth of observation as i have been here since almost day one till now, with only one break. I get to talk to Iraqi's everyday, and all of them have thanked me generously, yes i still run into the hardcore Iraqi's that will never change there minds about American's in general. I would say 80% or more are very happy for what we have done and are doing now.