Did The Police Go Overboard?

[Prey521]

http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S= ... v=23iiX637

[JawZ]

Yep.

You mean to tell me that a school...filled with adults...can not control an 8 year old kid?????????????

Release the rest of the class....lock the kid in the classroom and call the parents.

End of friggin story.

[MadDoctor]

Given the current laws with respect to what a teacher can… and cannot do to control an unruly student (without fear of a lawsuit and/or dismissal) calling the cops might have been the only “safe” option.


The court system really sucks sometimes.

[Ghosthunter]

Given the current laws with respect to what a teacher can… and cannot do to control an unruly student (without fear of a lawsuit and/or dismissal) calling the cops might have been the only “safe” option.


The court system really sucks sometimes.

That is a good point.

[JawZ]

BTW Prey.....yeah...you got me you asshat. Nice way of asking one question and then changing the poll to reflect the opposite point of view....

so please change my vote to NO in the poll...but yes, they totally went overboard.

If a teacher can't handle an 8 yr old kid, then that teacher needs to find another line of work.

Like I said.....dismiss the class, keep the kid in the classroom, and call the parents.

What is so friggin hard about that?

IMHO....these teachers WANTED to call the cops to make a point....they made this situation worse.

[Prey521]

LMAO, my bad UOD, this is like the second time that I do that!

[Russell]

BTW Prey.....yeah...you got me you asshat. Nice way of asking one question and then changing the poll to reflect the opposite point of view....

so please change my vote to NO in the poll...but yes, they totally went overboard.

If a teacher can't handle an 8 yr old kid, then that teacher needs to find another line of work.

Like I said.....dismiss the class, keep the kid in the classroom, and call the parents.

What is so friggin hard about that?

IMHO....these teachers WANTED to call the cops to make a point....they made this situation worse.

We had a kid a few weeks ago who was suspended from school for making a terroristic threat. For whatever reason, the kid said his mother didn't accept the suspension and took him to school anyway, the kid showed up at school. We get called and end up taking him down to the police station. Call the mother to come and pick him up and she says "no"! Seems she has just started a new job and can't be bothered to come get her son, but we can be helpful and drive him home with her permission.

[Loonatic]

For the safety of the kid and the officers, it was good they arrested him.

[Brent]

Given the current laws with respect to what a teacher can… and cannot do to control an unruly student (without fear of a lawsuit and/or dismissal) calling the cops might have been the only “safe” option.


The court system really sucks sometimes.

very good point

i wish teachers were still allowed to swat kids

nothing like a ruler across the desk or a swatting on the butt to temper a kid

[64bit]

Nope. Sounds like they went there and did their job from the facts in the article.

[Prey521]

very good point

i wish teachers were still allowed to swat kids

nothing like a ruler across the desk or a swatting on the butt to temper a kid

Hell no, the only person that should be disciplining a child like that is the parents. A teacher EVER lays a hand on my kid for stupid BS, that teach will get beat down like back in the high school days, 3PM in the schoolyard! Either that, or I'd sue, depending on how much I could get from the board of Ed!

[Izzo]

No , not at all .. throwing chairs?!?. He's lucky he didn't the taser gun like that 6 year old got a couple months ago......there was a thread about that a while on that

[MadDoctor]

Most schools have well defined policies when it comes to matters like this. School policy might have required the teacher to call the police… rather than take actions to control the child.

[wee96]

It doesnt matter how old you are, if you assault someone you will be physically stopped and theres nothing wrong with that. Just letting the kid go to his parents does nothing but make him think he can continue to act like that and no one will do anything. I would have slammed that little punk on his back and said whats up now, patna?

[MissTynker2]

Given the current laws with respect to what a teacher can… and cannot do to control an unruly student (without fear of a lawsuit and/or dismissal) calling the cops might have been the only “safe” option.


The court system really sucks sometimes.

I absolutely agree!! We have crippled our child management controls totally...in most aspects of society...including parental controls!!...for fear of the outcome...sad..sad...sad...

However this child is young enough...that perhaps the police taking charge of the situation...may have instilled some fear...or at the very least...maybe some morals into this youngsters life. Lets hope he has learned something....and does now not have the attitude of "I can get away with anything...and be protected" << which sucks!

[blebs]

Lock the unruly little primate up and pitch the key. Don't need him in society.

[Lefty]

Nope, not at all. We need dicipline in our society.

[Loonatic]

Lock the unruly little primate up and pitch the key. Don't need him in society.

Couldnt have said it better. I was never violent at all during my childhood years, to taht extent atleast. I never thought to headbutt or even touch an adult.

[wee96]

Couldnt have said it better. I was never violent at all during my childhood years, to taht extent atleast. I never thought to headbutt or even touch an adult.

The adults in my day would have stomped my a$$ if I tried something like that haha.

[JawZ]

I've got to vehemently disagree with most if not all of you.

First...what is a child's capacity to carry through with a terroristic threat? Especially an 8 yr. old child????????

Pretty soon, if you allow this kind of nonsense, THOUGHT will be considered terroristic in nature...and it could be your kid going down to a police station in handcuffs for challenging thought.

an 8yr old kid's mind is not the equivalent of an 18yr old mind. There is a huge difference. Does an 8yr old child even know what criminal intent is??????

If you think that this is not going to get alot of attention...take a look at this totally whacky post made by someone in a newsgroup regarding the new trend of arresting children:

If I were President Bush, I would seriously consider placing the Department of Education under the direct authority of the Department of Justice and invite Attorney General John Ashcroft to be in charge.

He's already doing a hell of a job keeping our terrorists in line, and I think
he can do likewise with the snot nosed punks who are terrorizing our public
schools. Then I would expand his budget and let him hire as many assistants he needs to do the job.

On the other side...we have a judge that says this:

Others, however, say the trend has gone too far. "We're demonizing children,"
said James Ray, the administrative judge for the Lucas County juvenile court,
who is concerned about the rise in school-related cases.

Do you even know what the cost is to the taxpayers to handle these cases? and what kind of REAL cases are getting held up in these courts due to this increase in child arrests?

Guess what? It's cheaper for the school to offload the kids to the authorities....saves their budget so they can give themselves nice fat raises.

Hmmmmm.....so how do all of you feel about prayer in school??????

How would you feel if YOUR kid was arrested for either praying or not praying in school??????

Now I just wanna make something perfectly clear here.....this kid should be dealt with....by the parents and by the school system. and no, I'm not an advocate of suspensions because it is exactly what the child wants...I'm for in-school suspension. Kids need to be in school.....especially the bad ones. Sending a kid to the slammer does what for us as society?

Are we making/creating criminals?

[mountainman]

I say they did the right thing. As a former teacher, doing anything physical to stop it could have resulted in a law suit. I say bring in the police, make a statement and keep your distance.

The little brat is probably going to get to know the police quite well...might as well start early.

[Meggie]

i think that the kid being lead away in cuffs is going to send him a clear messege that he cant act that way. i doubt very highly if he will ever do something like that in school again.

it was going overboard, but its not the fault of the police. kids that are messed up enough to headbutt and throw chairs at teachers probably could use a little dose of reality about whats going to happen if they act like that as an adult.

[mountainman]

We had a kid a few weeks ago who was suspended from school for making a terroristic threat. For whatever reason, the kid said his mother didn't accept the suspension and took him to school anyway, the kid showed up at school. We get called and end up taking him down to the police station. Call the mother to come and pick him up and she says "no"! Seems she has just started a new job and can't be bothered to come get her son, but we can be helpful and drive him home with her permission.

Ahh... the Auburn Taxi Co.? LOL

Between transporting kids and drunks, I don't know how the police get anything done.

[Brent]

Hell no, the only person that should be disciplining a child like that is the parents. A teacher EVER lays a hand on my kid for stupid BS, that teach will get beat down like back in the high school days, 3PM in the schoolyard! Either that, or I'd sue, depending on how much I could get from the board of Ed!

IMO a teacher should be allowed to punish without fear of being sued. A ruler across the desk should be OK.

As far as swatting that should be the duty of the Principal or Vice Principal.

When I was in Junior High the vice principal was allowed to swat back then, I know, cause I got swatted once

It works

[JawZ]

I wanna add something to my above post.....

I do not believe that the criminal justice system is how we should handle child behavioral problems. The police will never know why this kid acted up...they will just do what they do. For this kid...we need to find out what the root problem is and deal with it. My guess...the parents lack of continuity in discipline.

[mountainman]

^^^^ Good point, UOD. I think the parents should be locked up with the kid.

[Prey521]

IMO a teacher should be allowed to punish without fear of being sued. A ruler across the desk should be OK.

As far as swatting that should be the duty of the Principal or Vice Principal.

When I was in Junior High the vice principal was allowed to swat back then, I know, cause I got swatted once

It works

LOL, I'd never let anyone hit my kids, and I wouldn't put my kids in a school that would allow such a thing either.

[Brent]

btw i voted Yes here

i don't think they were out of line

it was the kid who was way outta line

he needed to be handled

[JawZ]

i think that the kid being lead away in cuffs is going to send him a clear messege that he cant act that way. i doubt very highly if he will ever do something like that in school again.

it was going overboard, but its not the fault of the police. kids that are messed up enough to headbutt and throw chairs at teachers probably could use a little dose of reality about whats going to happen if they act like that as an adult.

the problem with that line of thinking is that for that to work....he will always need to be lead away in handcuffs. Do the parents have handcuffs????

For discipline to work....it needs to be a constant. So now that the ante has been raised....he'll only respond to that...anything less than that....he knows he is getting away with something.

Again...I can't stress this enough...we are talking about an 8 year old mind. do you really think he gets it?????

[Brent]

LOL, I'd never let anyone hit my kids, and I wouldn't put my kids in a school that would allow such a thing either.

the thing is you'd discipline your kid properly at home

but a lot of parents don't, which is quite evident

and unfortunately the schools can't do anything about it

in an ideal world the child would be disciplined at home and would be so well behaved that no discipline at school would be neccassary at all, in an ideal world, unfortuntely, we don't live in an ideal world

[blebs]

UOD in many respects I agree with you, but let me say this. While an 8 year olds mind isn't the same as and 18 year olds, we have 7 and 8 year old gang thugs that would pop a new hole in your forehead for just getting in their way. Grant you, not a lot, but there are a couple in town. No, it's not the norm, at least not yet, but 8 year olds can be every bit as dangerous as an adult.

The largest single problem as I see it is the power given to these kids now. An adult touches them in any manor and it's the adult that goes to jail. Somewhere the world did a flip flop. I, like you, and most of the others here would have gotten a royal ass beating for that from the prinicple, mom and dad and most likely mom once more for good measure. Not in todays society.

[Brent]

The largest single problem as I see it is the power given to these kids now. An adult touches them in any manor and it's the adult that goes to jail. Somewhere the world did a flip flop. I, like you, and most of the others here would have gotten a royal ass beating for that from the prinicple, mom and dad and most likely mom once more for good measure. Not in todays society.

and that's the part that i hate, just like you said, it's like things have flip flopped

[Russell]

I've got to vehemently disagree with most if not all of you.

First...what is a child's capacity to carry through with a terroristic threat? Especially an 8 yr. old child????????

Pretty soon, if you allow this kind of nonsense, THOUGHT will be considered terroristic in nature...and it could be your kid going down to a police station in handcuffs for challenging thought.

an 8yr old kid's mind is not the equivalent of an 18yr old mind. There is a huge difference. Does an 8yr old child even know what criminal intent is??????

If you think that this is not going to get alot of attention...take a look at this totally whacky post made by someone in a newsgroup regarding the new trend of arresting children:



On the other side...we have a judge that says this:



Do you even know what the cost is to the taxpayers to handle these cases? and what kind of REAL cases are getting held up in these courts due to this increase in child arrests?

Guess what? It's cheaper for the school to offload the kids to the authorities....saves their budget so they can give themselves nice fat raises.

Hmmmmm.....so how do all of you feel about prayer in school??????

How would you feel if YOUR kid was arrested for either praying or not praying in school??????

Now I just wanna make something perfectly clear here.....this kid should be dealt with....by the parents and by the school system. and no, I'm not an advocate of suspensions because it is exactly what the child wants...I'm for in-school suspension. Kids need to be in school.....especially the bad ones. Sending a kid to the slammer does what for us as society?

Are we making/creating criminals?

Well in defense of my post, The kid who made the threat was in high school and in light of the whole Columbine thing was definately a credible threat. His little note that he gave his teacher mentioned a 9mm handgun, 12 rounds and twelve dead people. My whole reason for posting the information however was not necessarily in reference to the crime, for which he was suspended and not arrested ,but rather the apathetic nature of the mother.

My question is what if one of those chairs had connected with someones head and caused a serious injury or death, what then?

[JawZ]

UOD in many respects I agree with you, but let me say this. While an 8 year olds mind isn't the same as and 18 year olds, we have 7 and 8 year old gang thugs that would pop a new hole in your forehead for just getting in their way. Grant you, not a lot, but there are a couple in town. No, it's not the norm, at least not yet, but 8 year olds can be every bit as dangerous as an adult.

The largest single problem as I see it is the power given to these kids now. An adult touches them in any manor and it's the adult that goes to jail. Somewhere the world did a flip flop. I, like you, and most of the others here would have gotten a royal ass beating for that from the prinicple, mom and dad and most likely mom once more for good measure. Not in todays society.

It's the lack of ADULT supervision which allows an 8 yr old kid to become a thug.

Let's call a spade a spade here.....the problem isn't this 8 yr old kid, although the kid does have behavioral problems, the problem lies with teh parents.

People don't want to take responsibility for their kids actions because it is VERY much a reflection of their parenting skills....unless the kid is getting awards and on the honor roll...then yeah, parents always step up to the plate and take credit then.

[Spammy]

I agree with UOD 100%

[JawZ]

Well in defense of my post, The kid who made the threat was in high school and in light of the whole Columbine thing was definately a credible threat. His little note that he gave his teacher mentioned a 9mm handgun, 12 rounds and twelve dead people. My whole reason for posting the information however was not necessarily in reference to the crime, for which he was suspended and not arrested ,but rather the apathetic nature of the mother.

Now we're talking about teens.....who are entirely different mentally from the 8 yr old kid. so yes, a teen threat carries a bit more weight then an 8yr old kid's threat. In that case...the right thing was done.

[Russell]

It's the lack of ADULT supervision which allows an 8 yr old kid to become a thug.

Let's call a spade a spade here.....the problem isn't this 8 yr old kid, although the kid does have behavioral problems, the problem lies with teh parents.

People don't want to take responsibility for their kids actions because it is VERY much a reflection of their parenting skills....unless the kid is getting awards and on the honor roll...then yeah, parents always step up to the plate and take credit then.

I agree 100%

Parents have got to start taking a stronger role in their kids lives. Been to enough domestics where the child has called on parents all because mommy or daddy told them no. Course on the other hand have been to a few where the parent called because the were too afraid to take the matter into their own hands.

[blebs]

Hey you won't hear me argue that. The whole thing is, no parental guidance or lack there of, and society still has a kid with some screws loose running around. Someone has to deal with him and it won't be the school and obviously the parents (If any are around) aren't doing anything either. Leaves only one choice-courts.

[Russell]

Now we're talking about teens.....who are entirely different mentally from the 8 yr old kid. so yes, a teen threat carries a bit more weight then an 8yr old kid's threat. In that case...the right thing was done.

Agreed, but again was really not trying to emphasis the crime, so much as the mothers unwillingness to take an active role in the problem.

[Russell]

The worst part of the whole thing is the kid still won't get the help he needs.
Being arrested to a juvenile is really not what it sounds like. Yeah they may have gotten placed in handcuffs, but odds are there was no bed space available at the intake facility, so they end up going right home with the parents. In all honesty arresting a kid is the last thing a police officer wants to do. But when no one else is willing to handle the problem it gets dumped on us and then we have to turn it over to an impotent juvenile judicial system. If you ever complain about the justice system being screwed up, really take a look at the juvenile justice system sometime. It's like night and day.