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It would appear that the subject of overclocking is all too common of an asked question, or thread subject, to not have little information about it, you know, the basics on it, within easy reach. I am writing this from an AMD standpoint, but it can generally be applied to the Intel platform as well, as not too much should vary in the basics.

The following is CPU Overclocking:

Basically, overclocking is adjusting various settings from within the BIOS (Basic Input Output System) above factory set/recommended levels, to create an ‘over’ clock on the processor. That is, to raise the speed at which the CPU is permitted to complete a clock cycle.

There are various ways to overclock the processor; some ways have results in certain areas that other adjustments do, so on so fourth. However, the basic adjustments are comprised of the following: FSB (front side bus), Multiplier, and VCore.

Brief description of the components would be:
FSB: How fast the CPU communicates with the other components in the system. Changing this value, in older motherboards, generally changed the clock in all other components on the system; however newer motherboards may have the option to lock certain clocks.

Multiplier: The second processor clock speed adjustment. To understand how this works, you should use the basic formula in processor clock speed. That is, Clock = FSB x Multiplier. The two settings at which the processor runs at default, or stock, is set at the manufacture. For an example, the Athlon XP 3200+ is set at 11x200 (Multi x FSB). Just to clear it up, RAM would be running at 400MHz here, as it is DDR, or double data rate RAM. So, if you have RAM running at 400MHz, you can presume the FSB is half of that and vice versa, or 200MHz, such as in the 3200+’s case. Just for reference, on newer processors this is generally disabled by the manufacture. However, there are ways to get around this, I do not recommend them though.

VCore: The voltage supplied to the processor. Higher voltage means more power for processing information, but also means more heat generated that needs to be dissipated. Raising this setting is not recommended unless you know what you’re doing. Generally, if the temperature is in good range, raising of this is safe, however, you will want to be careful not to set this, if you do decide to change it, to ridiculous settings. If you hear about people frying their processors, it was most likely from setting the VCore too high, burning the processor by it being overvolted, or just plain old getting too hot from too high of a speed and too much voltage. Caution when changing this from default.

Before we go any further, I’d like to put a few reasons why you might not be able to achieve great overclocking results. This isn’t all of the possible reasons, but should lay a few on the table for you. We have the biggest reason and the most important thing in overclocking, and in just running stock speeds, the temperature. If your temps are too high, your processor just won’t be able to go any faster, as it just can’t work at such temps. Another reason could be too little voltage. You can generally raise this, however, like I said, caution here, and keep an eye on the temp. You should know that when you see an extreme overclock, the person responsible most assuredly raised the VCore, and like I said as well, it’s not always extremely dangerous, just don’t do anything stupid.

A third reason could be the power supply (PSU). For good results, your processor will need a constant, clean supply of power. This is a component often overlooked in overclocking, but is one of the most important. Generally recommended brands here are Antec, Enermax, and others. Just for reference, a 450 watt generic PSU is not going to be nearly as good as a 450 watt, or even 350 watt for that matter name brand good quality PSU. That’s because of several reasons, one of which is it’s not just about how much, but the quality and consistency of the power. Not to mention that generic PSUs aren’t going to put out 450 watts anyways. Considering how important a good PSU is, and how much damage you can do if a crappy one burns out, it’s recommended to get a decent one, even if you don’t plan on overclocking.

There is another reason you may not get good overclocking results, and that is due to your RAM. When you raise your FSB, you’re not only raising the speed of the CPU, but also the speed of the AGP/PCI, and RAM. Like stated earlier, newer motherboards generally have an option to lock some of these, such as an AGP/PCI lock, however if your motherboard does not have this option present, let it be known they are raising as well. Not too much of an overclocking concern, but just so you know, raising the PCI clock too high can corrupt hard drives and other components attached. However, we will not get into that as it isn’t really a part of overclocking. Back to the RAM. Memory is rated at a certain speed, timing, and voltage. These will vary by manufacture, model, size, etc. As an easier way of explaining, say I had a stick of 2.5-3-3-7 PC2100 RAM. That is, PC2100 is 133MHz, 266MHz Bus. I’m not going to want to raise this too far from 133MHZ, and if I do, it will most likely become unstable. You can raise the stability you may be able to produce from the RAM module by raising the amount of voltage going to it a little, of course raising the amount of heat generate, etc. You also run the risk of damaging your RAM if set too high, but again, just don’t do anything stupid and you should be OK. Lowering the timings on the RAM is another way of generating higher possible clock speeds, however lowering the timings will reduce the memory bandwidth and overall system performance. There is, however, a way on newer motherboards around this, somewhat. That is, say I wanted 11x200 on my processor, but I only have PC2100 RAM. What can I do? I can create a CPU:RAM Ratio. That is, if I set it to 5:3 I should be able to run at 200MHZ on the CPU, and still only running the RAM at 133MHz, getting both the overclock I desire on the CPU, as well as keeping my RAM stable. Of course, you won’t get the same performance on PC2100 as you will on PC3200 running the full 1:1 CPU:RAM ratio, but it is an alternative if you can’t afford new RAM.

Let’s quickly generate a little image in your mind of what the CPU is, in layman’s terms. Let’s pretend there is a box, and inside of this box is a guy. This box has no windows, or holes, so the man cannot see out side, and people cannot see inside. Firstly, we have to communicate with the man, which is where the chipset, and bus, come into play. Pretend those are radios, so they can talk to each other. Next we have the clock limiter. Let’s pretend this is a little light that comes on telling the man in the box when he has work to do. Every time this light flashes, and the man calculates whatever his workload may be, a clock cycle is completed. The faster this light flashes, the more clock cycles the man completes. Now, with this guy working so fast, he’s going to get hot. This is where the cooling for the processor comes in, to carry away and dissipate the heat this little man is creating. In overclocking, we decide to tell this little man to work faster, as we blink the little light faster. The little man agrees to do the work, but in turn needs more energy (vcore) and generates more heat. Of course, aftermarket cooling such as performance HSFs, watercooling, even phase change cooling for the extreme, as well as some even more extreme variants out there, generally for only temporary use, but there are some. Can anyone say LN2? :) Anyways, if this little man gets too hot, he either has a breakdown and cannot work any more, or gets stuck, or sometimes we simply kill the poor fellow, and the CPU is no more. Like I said, this was just a quick example in layman’s terms, more advanced, detailed, accurate examples can be said if wanted.

Just a little bit of how you would go about overclocking here. Say you wanted to take an Athlon XP Mobile 2400+(I’m using mobile for this example because they come unlocked, that is, the multiplier is adjustable and not locked by AMD) and overclock it to say 3200+ speeds. As we know, a 3200+ is 11x200, and the mobile comes at 13.5x133, for 1.8GHz. We’re going to want to obviously change the obvious settings to the correct settings, and we should be set. Like said, we will most likely need to raise the voltage somewhat, as the Cpu will need more power to complete it’s clock cycles. You will want to make sure that you don’t just go in the BIOS and pump up the settings. You’ll want to take it slowly. We’ll lower the multi and start raising the FSB. Slowly, by 5-10MHz in the lower ranges, and once we get towards out goal, raising slower, by around 3-5MHz. We may experience lockups, in which case we’ll want to raise the voltage, and that is only if our temperatures are still in good, safe range. Eventually we will reach our goal, most likely, if the CPU Die quality permits. At this point, we will want to go into windows and start doing some stress testing. That is, putting the processor at 100+ utilization for extended periods of time. This not only checks to see if our processor is stable, but also lets you see if your temperature will stay within safe range at the new speed on full load. A good application to use for this is the Folding at Home program, which I recommend running all the time as it doesn’t actually slow down the computer, using idle CPU cycles. Anyways, if you get lockups, it’s either heat, or voltage. Keeping temps in check, raise the voltage a little more. Generally the BIOS let’s you raise in .025V increments, so raise it up by one. Try again. Over, and over, and over, eventually getting our safe, stable speed desired.

In conclusion, I’d like to make two points strong.
#1 is PATIENCE. This is #1, and key in overclocking your processor. It can be a long grueling process to get your CPU where you want it, safely, but DO NOT just start setting stuff all kinds of through the roof, shall we say! You will eventually get it, and most likely without damaging your hardware.
#2 is TEMPS, TEMPS, TEMPS. If your temperatures are low enough, you can generally safely raise the voltage. Your processor will be more stable at lower voltages, and run cooler extending longer processor life. Keep this in check all the time, I’d recommend not exceeding 60C if at all possible.

This is just a basic, quick explanation more so than a how to on overclocking. I would like to point out that if you start a thread on overclocking, the following things are what we really need to know to help you out:
Processor
Motherboard
Memory
Cooling
Current temperatures
Current speeds

Also nice to know are:
Video card
Operating system
Addin cards

Of course, you can overclock other components in your system, such as the video card, that is not what this thread was directed at.

Thanks for your time. :)

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Good read and thanks for the info! That really filled in alot of gaps I was having. :thumb:
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Can you explain the Dram ratio a little more?

In a Soft menu III option (abit mobo): what should the external clock be set to initially if I want the CPU to be at 200Mhz, and the Ram to be 266Mhz (133*2), before setting up the Dram Ratio to 5:3?

How would you get 200Mhz for the CPU, and 266Mhz (133*2) with a ratio of 5:3?

BTW how would one calculate that?

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houler wrote:Can you explain the Dram ratio a little more?

In a Soft menu III option (abit mobo): what should the external clock be set to initially if I want the CPU to be at 200Mhz, and the Ram to be 266Mhz (133*2), before setting up the Dram Ratio to 5:3?

How would you get 200Mhz for the CPU, and 266Mhz (133*2) with a ratio of 5:3?

BTW how would one calculate that? 5/3 * extern. clock = (is that the speed for the FSB or the RAM)?

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FSB at 200, divide by 5, thats 40. 40 x 3 = 120 and doubled is 240 for memory.

the ratio alows you to overclock your cpu without sending the ram speeds through the roof,causing your system to freeze.
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Thanks for your reply.


Would it be better to run the ratio at 6:4 and the external clock at 200 to make the ram run closer to spec?


200 divide by 6 = 33.333 then 33.33*4 = 133.33 and doubled that is 133*2 = 266.7Mhz (266Mhz (133*2) = pc2100)?


and another thing:

I've been trying to burn-in my CPU at 2.4Ghz at a vcore of 1.65 with folding@home.

After a few hours, say 2-3, i get a memory error with folding@home (cpu temp@48 degrees celsius). I check my ram with memtest 86, no problems after 4+ passes. Should I up the vcore a notch to like 1.7 to make it run more stable?
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houler wrote:Thanks for your reply.


Would it be better to run the ratio at 6:4 and the external clock at 200 to make the ram run closer to spec?


200 divide by 6 = 33.333 then 33.33*4 = 133.33 and doubled that is 133*2 = 266.7Mhz (266Mhz (133*2) = pc2100)?

Ya, different motherboards have different settings, I didnt know you had anything closer to the 133 spec, 6:4 would work great.

your running at 100, 133 or what right now? Your not just gonna jump straight to 200 mhz are you? not a good idea unless your chip is a 200mhz fsb chip.
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YARDofSTUF wrote:Ya, different motherboards have different settings, I didnt know you had anything closer to the 133 spec, 6:4 would work great.

your running at 100, 133 or what right now? Your not just gonna jump straight to 200 mhz are you? not a good idea unless your chip is a 200mhz fsb chip.
Ram is at 133Mhz (or 266Mhz) now. FSB is at 200Mhz.

Chip is a 2600+mobile:

Model: AMD Mobile Athlon XP
Core: Barton
Operating Frequency: 2GHz
FSB: 266MHz
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/ 512KB
Voltage: 1.45V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket A
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
Packaging: OEM(Processor Only)

Info taken from newegg.


so running the FSB at 200 is fine, correct?
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acording to the info the fsb is 133(266) but your sayign that you are at 200 now?

You set the multiplier lower?

Sorry just getting a bit confused :)
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come to think of it I think I'm underclocking the FSB when it's set to run at 266Mhz FSB

so I should change the ratio to to 6:3. The external clock should be on 266Mhz then multipliy that by 6 then divide by 3 = 133*2 = 266Mhz (133*2)for ram

then the multiplier should be at 9 = giving my CPU 2394Mhz (not exactly 2400 but i think it's good enough)

arrgh im confused...


I'm not suppose to run my FSB at 200Mhz making the bus speed at 400Mhz...?
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When it says 266mhz fsb it means 133mhz(266mhz double Data Rate) But even tho they say 266 the real speed in the bios for the 266mhz is 133. when you set it to 200 then its considered 400mhz (double data rate)
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so is the 200Mhz for the extern. clock ok? sounds like a huge overclock...


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but like when I go over 200Mhz (external clock) to like 201-205. the memory frequency changes (overclocks) to like 267+

and when i change the external clock over 133Mhz - 200Mhz. The memory frequency doesn't change.

so I'm not necessarily overclocking when i set the FSB to 200?
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yeah it would be huge, you need to increase it from 133 slowly my 3 or 5 mhz, like go

138
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151
155
160
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166
... and so on.

While doing this you need to continue to adjust the fsb:ram ratio to keep it close to spec for the ram. It would be a very good idea to set the multiplier to 10 just to make sure that the chip can handle the 200 mhz fsb.

Then assuming the cpu does the 200mhz fsb you could rais the multiplyer to 10.5,then 11, 11.5, and maybe 12 if u want to try for the 2400mhz speed.

If the computer freezes you need to reboot and raise the voltage a hair. if after you raise the voltage a couple times it still freezes, thats where your cpu is topped off.

also make sure you know where the cmos jumper is on the motherboard, if the system doesnt boot up u can use that to reset everythign back to stock.

I think the chip will do 200, but its important to do this slowly so that you dotn damage anythign incase it can't

2400mhz at 200fsb is great, alot better than 2000mhz at 133 fsb, but 2000mhz at 133 is alot better than a dead chip :D
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houler wrote:but like when I go over 200Mhz (external clock) to like 201-205. the memory frequency changes (overclocks) to like 267+

Hmmm, maybe is switches the ratio running the ram higher than the cpu. dunno. Wish someone else with an nf7 board would post in here LOL
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Yesterday night, I ran the External clock at 200Mhz and the multiplier at 12 giving me 2400Mhz.

vcore was at 1.6v

I ran folding@home to burn it in.

I let it run 12 Hours straight and it was at 51degrees celsius (a bit warm, will reapply HS compound). Folding@home crashed gave me a memory error. Everything else worked fine with no memory errors (opened up certain OS programs just to check if other programs would crash) it was just Folding@home.

I checked my memory for errors with memtest86. 4 passes no errors.

Well, my computer didn't freeze, just got an error with folding@home.

Now why did folding@home crash? I suspect it was the CPU overclock.

should I up the voltage a bit?


Edit* I'm also guessing that the 200Mhz (external clock) applies only to the motherboard chipset, as I didn't see a huge increase in performance (if any at all) in Sisoft Sandra compared to similar CPU and memory setups
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yeahi would try 1.625 Volts keep an eye on the temp tho.
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what voltage are you feeding the memory ?
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YARDofSTUF wrote:yeahi would try 1.625 Volts keep an eye on the temp tho.
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Mark wrote:what voltage are you feeding the memory ?

He should have left that stock.
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Mark wrote:what voltage are you feeding the memory ?
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when should I ever up the chipset voltage?

when should I ever up the AGP voltage?
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houler wrote:2.7V - mobo stock voltage
if you are trying to run PC2100 at PC3200 speeds, might have to up the voltage.
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houler wrote:when should I ever up the chipset voltage?

when should I ever up the AGP voltage?
never the AGP voltage, not sure on the chipset though, but i doubt it.
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Mark wrote:if you are trying to run PC2100 at PC3200 speeds, might have to up the voltage.

he's been ratioing off the ram.
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YARDofSTUF wrote:he's been ratioing off the ram.
oh i guess i need to read the whole thread then :)

from what i have read you are better off running the memory and cpu in sync.
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Mark wrote:oh i guess i need to read the whole thread then :)

from what i have read you are better off running the memory and cpu in sync.

and how would I go about doing that?
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houler wrote:and how would I go about doing that?

Ratio 1:1, but u need to buy new ram
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arrgh :( ...ok thanks for the info :)
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houler, is the multiplier locked on your CPU ?

run something called wcpuid to see where it is really running at.
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Taken from CPU-Z latest version:

CPU(s)
Number of CPUs 1

Name AMD Athlon XP-M
Code Name Barton
Specification Unknown CPU Typ
Family / Model / Stepping 6 A 0
Extended Family / Model 7 A
Package Socket A
Technology 0.13 µ
Supported Instructions Sets MMX, Extended MMX, 3DNow!, Extended 3DNow!, SSE
CPU Clock Speed 2405.6 MHz
Clock multiplier x 12.0
Front Side Bus Frequency 200.5 MHz
Bus Speed 400.9 MHz
L1 Data Cache 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L1 Instruction Cache 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L2 Cache 512 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L2 Speed 2405.6 MHz (Full)
L2 Location On Chip
L2 Data Prefetch Logic yes
L2 Bus Width 64 bits

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quickest way to test for stability is to run prime95 overnite and see if it errors out.
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ok i'll try that.
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what test should I choose? I'm doing the "blend" right now.
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Unknown CPU Typ
CPU speed: 2405.03 MHz
CPU features: RDTSC, CMOV, PREFETCH, MMX, SSE
L1 cache size: 64 KB
L2 cache size: 512 KB
L1 cache line size: 64 bytes
L2 cache line size: 64 bytes
L1 TLBS: 32
L2 TLBS: 256
Prime95 version 23.8, RdtscTiming=1
Best time for 384K FFT length: 28.076 ms.
Best time for 448K FFT length: 32.800 ms.
Best time for 512K FFT length: 34.737 ms.
Best time for 640K FFT length: 45.317 ms.
Best time for 768K FFT length: 54.342 ms.
Best time for 896K FFT length: 64.779 ms.
Best time for 1024K FFT length: 72.564 ms.
Best time for 1280K FFT length: 98.032 ms.
Best time for 1536K FFT length: 113.193 ms.
Best time for 1792K FFT length: 141.294 ms.
Best time for 2048K FFT length: 152.269 ms.
[Fri Nov 05 23:40:32 2004]
Self-test 1024K passed!
[Fri Nov 05 23:59:31 2004]
Self-test 8K passed!
[Sat Nov 06 00:14:40 2004]
Self-test 10K passed!
[Sat Nov 06 00:31:55 2004]
Self-test 896K passed!
[Sat Nov 06 00:49:01 2004]
Self-test 768K passed!
[Sat Nov 06 01:07:16 2004]
Self-test 12K passed!
[Sat Nov 06 01:25:08 2004]
Self-test 14K passed!
[Sat Nov 06 01:40:38 2004]
FATAL ERROR: Resulting sum was 494984628434627, expected: 494984628567505.4
Hardware failure detected, consult stress.txt file.


I just ran the test. It's has been a little over 2 hours then I got the error, now what could be the problem?

ram is running in spec, so I suspect it's the CPU, I'm going to up the voltage to 1.7 and see how that goes.

EDIT* changed the "blend" to mostly just CPU testing to make sure it's not the cpu
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UPDATE: ran prime95 for 10 hours, and 34 minutes with -0 errors, 0 warnings

with the "Small FFTs" test
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IF you get an error from prime95 or folding, then its pretty much gonna be the cpu overclock.

DO NOT jump from 1.6 to 1.7, take it in little steps, U seem to keep ignoring this part and its rather important.
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I haven't ignored it. I apologize for not updating here frequently and leaving out some details. I did do the voltage little by little. first 1.6 then 1.62, then 1.65 were all run when i was running folding at home, which crashed after a couple of hours. Then 1.675 for prime95 "blend" test. Failed a little over 2 hours. Bumped up the voltage to 1.7 then ran the "small fft" test. Ran well for 10 hours.

EDIT* I will run the "Blend" test now
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run what failed before, if it faild at 1.6 and on and does so at 1.7, i would say its gonna fail no matter what at that OC.
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houler wrote:I did do the voltage little by little.

Good. :)
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YARDofSTUF wrote:run what failed before, if it faild at 1.6 and on and does so at 1.7, i would say its gonna fail no matter what at that OC.
I'm nervous...heh :)
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