Can the Bible be the Truth?

PetriFB · Post by **PetriFB** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:18 am

What you think about it?

Word of God the Bible

saved · Post by **saved** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 5:46 am

Yes the bible is true.The following was taken from; http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/n/c/n ... /bible.htm but if anyone can post so called errors I will be glad to answer them.
Many people have the misconception that there are many inconsistencies, errors, and contradictions in the Bible. While there are a number of difficult passages, supposed "contradictions" can usually be easily explained.

Additionally, many claim that the Bible couldn't be preserved in its correct form after being copied over and over for 2,000+ years. This is a incorrect as well, for a number of reasons. The Old Testament was copied with incredible precision and accuracy by Jewish scribes - their standards required perfection. As for the New Testament, no other piece of ancient literature even comes close to having the same number of ancient manuscripts as the New Testament does - 25,000 for the New Testament, and second place goes to Homer's Iliad, with about 650. Have your literature teachers ever suggested that the copies we have of the writings of Plato, Aristotle and Homer may be unreliable and should be dismissed? The New Testament has far more evidence supporting its accuracy than any of the writings of these ancient authors, so why not assume it is even more reliable than them? Much more evidence exists along similar lines - if you still need to be convinced, contact me.

Historically, the Bible has never once been shown wrong - many times scholars have questioned the historical accuracy of the Bible on specifics, but new discoveries continually show the agreement between the Bible and history.

Internally, there is one more significant piece of evidence for the Bible. Especially in the Old Testament, prophecies were made regarding the coming of the Messiah, the person who would save the Jews and establish God's kingdom on earth. Interestingly, every prophecy in the Bible has actually come to pass (except those addressing what is currently still in the future). For example, the Old Testament says in various places that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem, would be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver, would suffer silently, and would be crucified. All these and scores more happened exactly as foretold. The last one I mentioned is especially interesting - the Messiah was to be pierced in his hands and feet, however, that was written hundreds of years before crucifixion was used as a form of execution. No other religious text predicts the future, but the Bible does, and no mistakes have been made.

"But," many will say, "the New Testament authors were convinced that Jesus was the Messiah, so how can we trust them? Couldn't they tweak the information so it looks reasonable and makes them look good?" Yes, they could have, but here we run into another historical fact - nearly every one of Jesus' twelve disciples died for they believed - that Jesus was the Son of God. "But," many will object, "people die for their beliefs in many religions, not just Christianity." Ah, but this is different - these disciples saw the evidence with their own eyes and decided to pay the ultimate price. Why would anyone die for a lie? If the disciples wrote the New Testament and lied the whole way through, why did they, eyewitnesses of what really happened, choose to die for something they knew wasn't true? People may do a lot of things to save face, but dying generally isn't one of them. Hopefully this makes sense - this is a major piece of evidence confirming the Bible's truthfulness.

"OK, fine, the Bible may be accurate, but who cares? Why should I read it?"

There are many reasons, but I'll mention two;

First, it is the best selling book in the world - that doesn't prove its accuracy, but it does show that it might have something good to say. If it was a waste of book shelf space, why would people keep buying it?

Second, it claims to be written by God and will give life and peace. Why shouldn't you read it?

Here is an interesting article;

http://www.ptm.org/JulBibleAccurate.htm

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:38 am

saved wrote:Yes the bible is true.

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:07 am

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:47 am

Historically, the Bible has never once been shown wrong - many times scholars have questioned the historical accuracy of the Bible on specifics, but new discoveries continually show the agreement between the Bible and history.

Wrong

I will give just one example but there are hundreds:

There was never a flood that is described with Noah. It was a myth. Evidence was found that could not be possible because Eqypt had a nation long before the flood and nothing ever interrupted it.

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:30 am

It would be a better argument to question whether the Bible is factual, rather than the truth.

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:30 am

Ghosthunter wrote:Wrong

I will give just one example but there are hundreds:

There was never a flood that is described with Noah. It was a myth. Evidence was found that could not be possible because Eqypt had a nation long before the flood and nothing ever interrupted it.

You might find this interesting.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/blacksea/

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:41 am

nepenthe wrote:You might find this interesting.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/blacksea/

Definitely interesting if they ever find any hard proof and see if it fits in the timeline.

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:48 am

Can the bible be true?

Yes, but so can the Weekly World News so what does that tell you?

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:50 am

it can be true and it can be false.

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:16 am

Sure, it can be true. And i'm sure many of the things in the Bible can be proven. BUT, a lot of it IMHO is about believing in it. For everything else it comes down to faith. Just because I don't believe in things in the Bible does not make them false. It just means that I can't prove them to be true or false. Some peoples faith allows them to just take the Bible at it's word. Be it a sign of weakness or not, my faith in it just is not that strong. I've always been one of the people who says how do we know with certainty that what is proclaimed as the word of God is in fact so.

My example is usually say in 1000 years someone finds a "bible" of some sort and believes it to be the word of a God or Gods. Granted our history from now on, barring any catastrphe's, will be more accurate and provable than back in the days that our Bible's stories come from but the jist of it is the same. If someone finds something they believe to be the word of God and they are able to convince others of this we may end up with a society worshipping something that was, in our time, a piece of fiction.

of course, this is all just my thinking so take it for what it's worth to you.

A_COMMUNIST · Post by **A_COMMUNIST** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:27 am

I believe the bible is a collection of Fairy Tales and Lore. They were written by some of the most imaginative and Influential Fantasy authors of their time. However, As a result of their writings many ****** edited by Philip, offensive wording ****** have taken it as gospel. How much violence has occured over the last 2,000 years as a result of these harlequin novels?

So please, take it from a communist. Live your life free from violence
and you will do fine fine when you head to eternal sleep in your modded coffin.

I know you PC nuts. You are modding your coffin on paper now.

PetriFB · Post by **PetriFB** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:33 am

Ghosthunter wrote:Wrong

I will give just one example but there are hundreds:

There was never a flood that is described with Noah. It was a myth. Evidence was found that could not be possible because Eqypt had a nation long before the flood and nothing ever interrupted it.

http://koti.phnet.fi/elohim/theflood.html

Rainbow · Post by **Rainbow** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:36 am

Could be...or it could be all fiction...you can provide proof but who says the proof isnt fiction.........its all in what you believe not what others think IMO

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:36 am

Ghosthunter, you ****ing crack me up...

You don't believe in religion, try to nuke the Bible (and probably all other religious texts, too), yet you go out and hunt ghosts.

I'll bet if someone posted something debunking "orbs," you'd be right on it, defending it to the moon. It's just crazy.

Meggie · Post by **Meggie** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:37 am

A_COMMUNIST wrote:As you all know, The bible is a collection of Fairy Tales and Lore. They were written by some of the most imaginative and Influential Fantasy authors of their time. However, As a result of their writings many ***** edited by Philip, offensive wording ***** have taken it as gospel. How much violence has occured over the last 2,000 years as a result of these harlequin novels?

So please, take it from a communist. Live your life free from violence
and you will do fine fine when you head to eternal sleep in your modded coffin.

I know you PC nuts. You are modding your coffin on paper now.

right on

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:39 am

Burke wrote:Ghosthunter, you ****ing crack me up...

You don't believe in religion, try to nuke the Bible (and probably all other religious texts, too), yet you go out and hunt ghosts.

I'll bet if someone posted something debunking "orbs," you'd be right on it, defending it to the moon. It's just crazy.

That one has me stumped too.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:40 am

OK "Pipe Down Warning #1"....keep it civil.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:42 am

PetriFB wrote:http://koti.phnet.fi/elohim/theflood.html

I cannot even follow this person's writing, he needs better english.

Yeah I know my grammar sucks...but I am not putting a webpage together trying to defend my point of view.

A_COMMUNIST · Post by **A_COMMUNIST** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:59 am

you are right on the money Ye Olde Stoned Cat. Let's keep it civilized.

Remember, don't give in to hate. that leads to the dark side.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:01 pm

Burke wrote:Ghosthunter, you ****ing crack me up...

You don't believe in religion, try to nuke the Bible (and probably all other religious texts, too), yet you go out and hunt ghosts.

I'll bet if someone posted something debunking "orbs," you'd be right on it, defending it to the moon. It's just crazy.

That doesnt mean I dont beleive in God.

I just dont believe in man trying to control how I live my life. I also believe in total freedom of allowing a person to make up their own mind as history has proven otherwise it is not like that. There is too much religion persecution and miscommunication because everyone thinks they are right.

Actually I would not go crazy defending orbs...because truth is I am on the fence about them myself sometimes. I do believe in orbs, but believe only about 5% out there are real, and the rest just cannot be verified or are natural man-made like dust or bugs

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:06 pm

A_COMMUNIST wrote:you are right on the money Ye Olde Stoned Cat. Let's keep it civilized.

Remember, don't give in to hate. that leads to the dark side.

Spare me the Starwars Quotes dude.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:07 pm

So do you believe in God GH?

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:09 pm

Roody wrote:So do you believe in God GH?

Yes I do...but not in the same traditional sense of the Christian/Judeo God. I also believe in reincarnation as well.

A_COMMUNIST · Post by **A_COMMUNIST** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:13 pm

ghosthunter sounds to me like a classic jedi knight of the old republic. For a 1000 generations the jedi knights were the protectors of justice.

Ghosthunter is a seeker of truth, justice and the Liberal Democratic Party way of life.

We of the Cocoa Lukai salute you.

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:14 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:Yes I do...but not in the same traditional sense of the Christian/Judeo God. I also believe in reincarnation as well.

Then what? The Egon Spengler Deity-of-the-Day?

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:42 pm

Burke wrote:Then what? The Egon Spengler Deity-of-the-Day?

With that type of answer do you really even care?

But if you must know I consider myself a Gnostic Spiritualist and open/ tolerant towards all religious beliefs. You can read more about it here but lot more about it not explained there:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/gnostic.htm

stevebakh · Post by **stevebakh** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:45 pm

I think some people find it hard to believe that someone can believe in a "god" or "creator" without actually following one of many man-made religions. Although I do not believe in a creator or supreme being, my father does, yet he believes in NO religion. I would go so far as to say that he dislikes religion - a lot.

fastchevy · Post by **fastchevy** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 2:23 pm

No...

Kip Patterson · Post by **Kip Patterson** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 2:40 pm

The writer is Suomi (Finnish), which is a Finno-Ugric language, a family that includes magyar (Hungarian) and Estonian. No cognates with our Indo-European languages, and a far different grammar.

Horrible to read, but have you tried writing in Finnish lately?

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 3:30 pm

Kip Patterson wrote:The writer is Suomi (Finnish), which is a Finno-Ugric language, a family that includes magyar (Hungarian) and Estonian. No cognates with our Indo-European langugaes, and a far different grammar.

Horrible to read, but have you tried writing in Finnish lately?

Just a really bad article to use if trying to prove an viewpoint, I just dont have patience to read through it.

Joel · Post by **Joel** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 3:32 pm

stevebakh wrote:I think some people find it hard to believe that someone can believe in a "god" or "creator" without actually following one of many man-made religions. Although I do not believe in a creator or supreme being, my father does, yet he believes in NO religion. I would go so far as to say that he dislikes religion - a lot.

Religious sucks.

It also screws up a lot of peoples perception on believers.

I hate religious.

And, the bible is true. I just think it's not quite the open, read, understand book everyone thinks it is. It's a lot more complex. Most complex book ever made, so complex no human can understand it.

But it is true.

De Plano · Post by **De Plano** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:29 pm

Kip Patterson wrote:The writer is Suomi (Finnish), which is a Finno-Ugric language, a family that includes magyar (Hungarian) and Estonian. No cognates with our Indo-European languages, and a far different grammar.

How long have you been waiting for the right moment to bust out those two sentences?

Kip Patterson · Post by **Kip Patterson** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:28 pm

never. I'm just interested in languages, and try to make allowances for folks whose native language is not English.

I do have a couple of friends that speak Suomi. It seems to me to be beyond comprehension.

wareagle · Post by **wareagle** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:53 pm

stevebakh wrote:I think some people find it hard to believe that someone can believe in a "god" or "creator" without actually following one of many man-made religions. Although I do not believe in a creator or supreme being, my father does, yet he believes in NO religion. I would go so far as to say that he dislikes religion - a lot.

Your father is a wise man.