Federal Marriage Amendment

saved · Post by **saved** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 8:26 pm

The vote on the Federal Marriage Amendment will be Thursday, July 15. Please help us in our efforts to secure 2,000,000 signatures. We currently have nearly 1.4 million signers. Please forward this message to all your friends and family today and ask them to sign the petition at http://www.nogaymarriage.com/
Thanks for caring enough to get involved.

Sincerely,

Don

Donald E. Wildmon, Founder and Chairman
American Family Association

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 8:28 pm

signed it, thanks

Ahren · Post by **Ahren** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 8:30 pm

Get Bent.

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 8:32 pm

saved wrote:The vote on the Federal Marriage Amendment will be Thursday, July 15. Please help us in our efforts to secure 2,000,000 signatures. We currently have nearly 1.4 million signers. Please forward this message to all your friends and family today and ask them to sign the petition at http://www.nogaymarriage.com.

Paft · Post by **Paft** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 8:39 pm

saved wrote:The vote on the Federal Marriage Amendment will be Thursday, July 15. Please help us in our efforts to secure 2,000,000 signatures. We currently have nearly 1.4 million signers. Please forward this message to all your friends and family today and ask them to sign the petition at http://www.nogaymarriage.com.

Thanks for caring enough to get involved.

Sincerely,

Don

Donald E. Wildmon, Founder and Chairman
American Family Association

Shove it up your ****ing ass, you bigoted ****.

Yes, I'm pissed off. I cannot believe that you have the balls to even think about posting this. What kind of lowlife are you that you would subject a signifigant number of people to being treated like second-class citizens?

CiscoKid · Post by **CiscoKid** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 8:43 pm

Paft wrote:Shove it up your ****ing ass, you bigoted ****.

Yes, I'm pissed off. I cannot believe that you have the balls to even think about posting this. What kind of lowlife are you that you would subject a signifigant number of people to being treated like second-class citizens?

an extreamist Christian?

Paft · Post by **Paft** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 8:44 pm

Million For Marriage

From coast to coast, we are coming closer to achieving true marriage equality for GLBT Americans. But we need your help to fight efforts to deny marriage rights to same-sex couples, including any Constitutional amendment. Please, sign the Million For Marriage petition below, and be a part of this historic civil rights battle. Gay, straight, married, single...we need everyone who believes in marriage equality to stand up NOW.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 8:47 pm

I will never ever sign anything like that.

If people are happy with eachother whether they are gay, then they should be able to get married and enjoy the same benefits of straight married couples.

To deny them marriage is denying them life and love.

Does anyone remember the Civil War and over 1/2 million Americans died and why? Let us not go back to those times.

tao_jones · Post by **tao_jones** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 8:51 pm

Paft...dont waste your emotion on this...you will never change their beliefs no matter how much they defy logic.

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:01 pm

tao_jones wrote:Paft...dont waste your emotion on this...you will never change their beliefs no matter how much they defy logic.

I have to agree with you there.

JC · Post by JC » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:08 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:I will never ever sign anything like that.

If people are happy with eachother whether they are gay, then they should be able to get married and enjoy the same benefits of straight married couples.

To deny them marriage is denying them life and love.

Does anyone remember the Civil War and over 1/2 million Americans died and why? Let us not go back to those times.

tr87526 · Post by **tr87526** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:15 pm

SIGNED

What's wrong with 'gay' marriage?

America has lost its moral bearings. Right is wrong. Left is right. Up is down. Good is evil. That's what happens when a society no longer finds itself accountable to any authority higher than public opinion or the ruling of some judge.

Even the rule of law is falling victim to the same-sex marriage fanatics, as the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court is instructing the legislature in that commonwealth to pass a law. Whatever happened to the notion of separation of powers? Whatever happened to the idea that the legislative branch of government responded to the will of the people?

Americans who believe in Gay marriage is preposterous – an idea so silly it would have been laughed out of a courtroom or a legislature five years ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago.

Why is it preposterous? Why is it silly?

Let's just talk about the same-sex marriage idea from a practical perspective.

If it is, as proponents suggest, discrimination to deny same-sex couples the privilege of marriage, then it is also discrimination to deny the privilege to anyone else who wants to get married. Right?

"Well," you say, "who else wants to get married but is denied by the state?"

Many people. And as soon as this taboo is broken, watch them line up.

How long do you suppose it will be, once same-sex marriage is a reality, before brothers want to marry sisters? How long do you suppose it will be before sisters want to marry sisters? How long do you suppose it will be before brothers want to marry brothers?

How many same-sex marriage advocates want to go down that road?

Are you still with me?

If incestuous marriages don't scare you off, how about marriages involving more than two people? What possible reason could we find for "discriminating" against threesomes, foursomes, fivesomes, etc.?

A fellow in Great Britain who wanted to marry his dog. How could we possibly "discriminate" against an idea like that?

The truth is that most of us do believe in discrimination. In fact, we discriminate every day when we make choices. I'm not sure you can live without discriminating – between good food and bad, between safe conduct and unsafe conduct, etc.

Discrimination can be a good thing – a necessary component of life. It's a bad thing only when we use it prejudicially against people because of immutable circumstances – like the color of their skin.

People who are homosexuals, transsexuals, transgendered people, intersexuals, lesbians and metrosexuals are characterized in those ways because of their conduct, their behavior, their choices.

Those folks have exactly the same rights as heterosexuals. They can marry one member of the opposite sex. No one forces them to do so. But they have that right.

This system has worked pretty well for the last 6,000 years. We tamper with it at great peril to our society.

Zilog B · Post by **Zilog B** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:16 pm

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:17 pm

Brent wrote:signed it, thanks

come on people, you are slow, where is my negative rep point for signing this!

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:17 pm

I really don't care enough either way.

Paft · Post by **Paft** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:21 pm

Actually, I was wrong. This statement was made in anger, and has been removed. It was along the lines of "you're not worthwhile as humans". And I am very wrong - everyone is a worthwhile human, no matter how much I personally disagree with what they do.

My sincere apoligies to those I had aimed this statment at.

Zilog B · Post by **Zilog B** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:25 pm

Brent wrote:come on people, you are slow, where is my negative rep point for signing this!

Insta-Martyr, just add religious thread!

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:27 pm

go **** yourself saved

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:31 pm

while we're at it, lets start feeding Christians to the Lions again too

*******

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:34 pm

The intelligence in this thread is amazing.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:35 pm

Paft wrote:Actually, I was wrong. This statement was made in anger, and has been removed. It was along the lines of "you're not worthwhile as humans". And I am very wrong - everyone is a worthwhile human, no matter how much I personally disagree with what they do.

My sincere apoligies to those I had aimed this statment at.

It's all good Paft. I gotta say that that is a class act you saying that. Nice work man.

Kip Patterson · Post by **Kip Patterson** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:35 pm

I remember when whites didn't/couldn't marry blacks.

I remember owning a house whose deed had a covenant against selling to jews.

I remember not going to the movies on my birthday because my black friend would not have been admitted.

I am reminded every day about the consequences of demanding heterosexual conduct from people who are not built that way. My wife spent fourteen years helping to babysit a nephew when his mom was on call as an MD. His father was denied his rights to be what he really was by a church that thought homosexuals were unworthy of Christ's acceptance, so he married and disaster followed.

We don't need this bill. Beliefs and values are not and cannot be static, but must be continually reevaluated with a goal towards improving them. Acknowledging homosexual relationships is to me an improvement that our country and our God needs.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:37 pm

Kip Patterson wrote:Acknowledging homosexual relationships is to me an improvement that our country and our God needs.

no

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:46 pm

Paft wrote:Million For Marriage

signed... thank you Stephen, good find.

RicRogue · Post by **RicRogue** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:48 pm

saved wrote:The vote on the Federal Marriage Amendment will be Thursday, July 15. Please help us in our efforts to secure 2,000,000 signatures. We currently have nearly 1.4 million signers. Please forward this message to all your friends and family today and ask them to sign the petition at http://www.nogaymarriage.com/
Thanks for caring enough to get involved.

Sincerely,

Don

Donald E. Wildmon, Founder and Chairman
American Family Association

Signed along time ago..But thanks for starting this thread...I have been so quiet lately that we needed a good religious thread.

Let the battle begin...

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:52 pm

Kip Patterson wrote:I remember when whites didn't/couldn't marry blacks.

I remember owning a house whose deed had a covenant against selling to jews.

I remember not going to the movies on my birthday because my black friend would not have been admitted.

I am reminded every day about the consequences of demanding heterosexual conduct from people who are not built that way. My wife spent fourteen years helping to babysit a nephew when his mom was on call as an MD. His father was denied his rights to be what he really was by a church that thought homosexuals were unworthy of Christ's acceptance, so he married and disaster followed.

We don't need this bill. Beliefs and values are not and cannot be static, but must be continually reevaluated with a goal towards improving them. Acknowledging homosexual relationships is to me an improvement that our country and our God needs.

Totally agree well said!!

I thought Jesus said to love all your fellow man as though he was your own brother? Wasnt Jesus all about love? Isnt that what life is really about? Without love what is the point of life.

Dragonlily · Post by **Dragonlily** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:53 pm

These so-called devout Christians, "SAVED", give the rest of us a bad name.

I am Catholic, but I try not to push my faith or values on others. It's not my place. If someone wishes to discuss my faith, in the pursuit of understanding eachother better, that's one thing.

People who behave like saved make me ill.

What really needs to be understood is that we are not the ultimate judge.

Hey Saved, Why don't you check the liturgy, this weeks teachings would include a lesson on how not to judge another until you have judged yourself.

Not that I agree with gay marriage...

I disagree with forcing others to live how we feel they should live.
There was a name for people like that... Nazi

IMHO

RicRogue · Post by **RicRogue** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:58 pm

Kip Patterson wrote:I remember when whites didn't/couldn't marry blacks.

I remember owning a house whose deed had a covenant against selling to jews.

I remember not going to the movies on my birthday because my black friend would not have been admitted.

I am reminded every day about the consequences of demanding heterosexual conduct from people who are not built that way. My wife spent fourteen years helping to babysit a nephew when his mom was on call as an MD. His father was denied his rights to be what he really was by a church that thought homosexuals were unworthy of Christ's acceptance, so he married and disaster followed.

We don't need this bill. Beliefs and values are not and cannot be static, but must be continually reevaluated with a goal towards improving them. Acknowledging homosexual relationships is to me an improvement that our country and our God needs.

Being Jewish is not a lifestyle it is a birthright.

Being Black is not a lifestyle it is a race.

Being a homosexual is a lifestyle!! Are you a homosexual if you don't have sex with the same sex? No!!! Being a homosexual requires a act. Therefore it is a choice. We all make choices, some good, some bad. Just because I feel the desire to do something doesn't make it right. Homosexual marriage open the door to Poligomy, Pedaflics (sp? on both, not words I use often). After all who are they hurting.

Like you didn't see this coming,

RicRogue

RicRogue · Post by **RicRogue** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:00 pm

Dragonlily wrote:These so-called devout Christians, "SAVED", give the rest of us a bad name.

I am Catholic, but I try not to push my faith or values on others. It's not my place. If someone wishes to discuss my faith, in the pursuit of understanding eachother better, that's one thing.

People who behave like saved make me ill.

What really needs to be understood is that we are not the ultimate judge.

Hey Saved, Why don't you check the liturgy, this weeks teachings would include a lesson on how not to judge another until you have judged yourself.

Not that I agree with gay marriage...

I disagree with forcing others to live how we feel they should live.
There was a name for people like that... Nazi

IMHO

He wasn't forcing anyone, just offering everyone the opprotunity to sign

it.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:03 pm

RicRogue wrote:Being Jewish is not a lifestyle it is a birthright.

Being Black is not a lifestyle it is a race.

Being a homosexual is a lifestyle!! Are you a homosexual if you don't have sex with the same sex? No!!! Being a homosexual requires a act. Therefore it is a choice. We all make choices, some good, some bad. Just because I feel the desire to do something doesn't make it right. Homosexual marriage open the door to Poligomy, Pedaflics (sp? on both, not words I use often). After all who are they hurting.

Like you didn't see this coming,

RicRogue

And you wonder why the Christianity we know today and past 1500 years is slowly dieing and people are turning away from it. Because of the intolerance it preaches.

People say that America has become more immoral, and there is less God and reiligion in our everyday lives. Maybe it is becuase people are turned off by Christianity imposing their views on people who dont share their views.

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:03 pm

Roody wrote:The intelligence in this thread is amazing.

I'm smart I said I don't care about the issue either way.

Paft · Post by **Paft** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:05 pm

nepenthe wrote:signed... thank you Stephen, good find.

Thank you, David.

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:09 pm

Paft wrote:Million For Marriage

signed as well, thanks paft.

RicRogue · Post by **RicRogue** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:11 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:And you wonder why the Christianity we know today and past 1500 years is slowly dieing and people are turning away from it. Because of the intolerance it preaches.

People say that America has become more immoral, and there is less God and reiligion in our everyday lives. Maybe it is becuase people are turned off by Christianity imposing their views on people who dont share their views.

People are turned off because they are thinking of their own needs and not the desires of God.

tao_jones · Post by **tao_jones** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:12 pm

I really fail to see how 2 homosexuals getting married has an effect on my life...does it cost me any money...nope...my taxes wont go up/insurance rates will stay the same since most major insurance providers allow for domestic partners...life/liberty/pursuit of happiness...not there either...still wake up in America/still be able to go sit down and have a beer with friends/go to the movies/watch tv/listen to music/conversate with friends...still not seeing how this effects my life...

the truth is gay people already lead lives similar to married people anyway...why not go ahead and have the certificate they want?

Dragonlily · Post by **Dragonlily** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:12 pm

RicRogue wrote:He wasn't forcing anyone, just offering everyone the opprotunity to sign it.

Correct me if I am wrong, but...

Isn't the act of signing an attempt to force one lifestyle over another?

Paft · Post by **Paft** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:14 pm

Blisster wrote:signed as well, thanks paft.

Thank you, Blisster.

tao_jones · Post by **tao_jones** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:15 pm

RicRogue wrote:He wasn't forcing anyone, just offering everyone the opprotunity to sign it.

by making that a law you are forcing your beliefs about the way people should lead their lives on everyone.

Dragonlily · Post by **Dragonlily** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:17 pm

tao_jones wrote:by making that a law you are forcing your beliefs about the way people should lead their lives on everyone.

My point exactly!

RicRogue · Post by **RicRogue** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:17 pm

Dragonlily wrote:Correct me if I am wrong, but...

Isn't the act of signing an attempt to force one lifestyle over another?

The ammendment isn't making it illegal. It is stopping a marriage.