Air pilots film Ufo's

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed May 12, 2004 8:17 am

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/ ... index.html

Pretty cool hoepfully can see the video

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Wed May 12, 2004 8:24 am

Ghosthunter wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/ ... index.html

Pretty cool hoepfully can see the video

If you find footage please post it here?
Thanks

Pie

vinnie · Post by **vinnie** » Wed May 12, 2004 10:36 am

Saw bits and pieces on the news. I was underimpressed.

I've taken of my tin foil hat and put my 'Stop breathin' up the human air bizatches" sign away for the moment.

Jamie_R · Post by **Jamie_R** » Wed May 12, 2004 10:38 am

WOW

!!!!

I didn't even know Mexico had an Air Force!!!

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed May 12, 2004 10:39 am

vinnie wrote:Saw bits and pieces on the news. I was underimpressed.

I've taken of my tin foil hat and put my 'Stop breathin' up the human air bizatches" sign away for the moment.

i have not seen the video yet so i cannot make a comment but it was interesting that they were actually chasing the lights and that they did not show up on radar or some of them did not

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Wed May 12, 2004 10:43 am

There is no such thing as an alien UFO.

vinnie · Post by **vinnie** » Wed May 12, 2004 10:45 am

Burke wrote:There is no such thing as an alien UFO.

I am not an alien spy that has been sent witha mission to cover up my existence. Scouts honour! I promise!

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed May 12, 2004 10:45 am

Burke wrote:There is no such thing as an alien UFO.

huh..and how do you know for sure?

I have seen UFO's here before in the Hudson valley where I live and I know they do exist. Whether they are alien or not who knows. But they definitely were not airplanes.

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Wed May 12, 2004 10:46 am

Prolly some F-117 pilots havin some fun with Mexico's Air Force.

vinnie · Post by **vinnie** » Wed May 12, 2004 10:48 am

brembo wrote:Prolly some F-117 pilots havin some fun with Mexico's Air Force.

Looked a lot more like ball lightning or maybe even just a slghtly more complicated version of the old candle/garbage bag trick to be honest. The lumps of light sidn't appear stealthy, bright, fast or complicated, just kinda round and slow like they were drifting in the wind.

minir · Post by **minir** » Wed May 12, 2004 10:48 am

Hi Ghosthunter

Air Forces in Germany and elsewhere in Europe have reported sitings as well. The reports of Airline Pilots over the years are too numerous to count, but until we see little Green Men walking down Madison Avenue in NY City most will deny they exist.

I think it arrogant that we believe we are the only life forms in this huge galaxy.

If more Video is made available, perhaps it may confirm it.

regards

minir

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed May 12, 2004 10:52 am

minir wrote:Hi Ghosthunter

Air Forces in Germany and elsewhere in Europe have reported sitings as well. The reports of Airline Pilots over the years are too numerous to count, but until we see little Green Men walking down Madison Avenue in NY City most will deny they exist.

I think it arrogant that we believe we are the only life forms in this huge galaxy.

If more Video is made available, perhaps it may confirm it.

regards

minir

True good points.

When most people cannot comprehend or understand something, they either deny and ignore or make fun of it.

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Wed May 12, 2004 11:12 am

Ghosthunter wrote:huh..and how do you know for sure?

I have seen UFO's here before in the Hudson valley where I live and I know they do exist. Whether they are alien or not who knows. But they definitely were not airplanes.

Like I SAID...ALIEN UFOs.

No ghosts, no aliens, nothing...all they do is distract people from the important things in life.

SeedOfChaos · Post by **SeedOfChaos** » Wed May 12, 2004 11:18 am

... like praying to the big man with the white beard that is invisible in the sky? Sorry, couldn't resist...

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed May 12, 2004 11:29 am

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Wed May 12, 2004 11:29 am

I as well think it would be both ignorant and arrogant to think that in the entire universe we are the only sentient beings that exist. However I have often pondered and pose to you this:

Given that some scientists believe that the universe is still relatively young from a cosmological point of view, is it perhaps possible that while, yes, sentient life is certainly evolving elsewhere in the universe, we are in fact, the furthest along in the evolutionary/developemental/technological process? If this were the case, we could be truly alone in this great wide universe, and that is indeed a sad thought.

SeedOfChaos · Post by **SeedOfChaos** » Wed May 12, 2004 11:34 am

Blisster... how far does 1000 years get us today (technologically)? How far did it get us in the previous 1000 years? That time period, although insane to us humans, is not even a blink of the eye in universal terms. Say there is merely one culture of beings that started 1000 years earlier? A million years? All more than realistic, to me it's almost a given. With all the bilions of stars (and thus even more planets) out there, it's pretty safe to say that there are more advanced beings out there. IMO there shouldn't be any doubt about that. Just look at us humans!

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed May 12, 2004 11:36 am

Blisster wrote:I as well think it would be both ignorant and arrogant to think that in the entire universe we are the only sentient beings that exist. However I have often pondered and pose to you this:

Given that some scientists believe that the universe is still relatively young from a cosmological point of view, is it perhaps possible that while, yes, sentient life is certainly evolving elsewhere in the universe, we are in fact, the furthest along in the evolutionary/developemental/technological process? If this were the case, we could be truly alone in this great wide universe, and that is indeed a sad thought.

I agree that life does exist elsewhere...even in this solar system. At to them looking for us? Maybe...after all, we would look like a beacon with all the radio waves we've sent out over the last 80 years.

Still, if...a civilization was looking for intelligent life, would you look at the far edge of a solar system? Would one not have a better chance of finding it if we were to look in the more densely packed center of the solar system?

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Wed May 12, 2004 11:36 am

Oh I agree wholeheartedly Seed. Just pondering an interesting thought after an evening at the coffeeshop.

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Wed May 12, 2004 11:37 am

downhill wrote:I agree that life does exist elsewhere...even in this solar system. At to them looking for us? Maybe...after all, we would look like a beacon with all the radio waves we've sent out over the last 80 years.

Still, if...a civilization was looking for intelligent life, would you look at the far edge of a solar system? Would one not have a better chance of finding it if we were to look in the more densely packed center of the solar system?

far edge of a Solar System? or did you mean to say Galaxy?

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed May 12, 2004 11:38 am

Errrrr Yes...Galaxy.....

Working on 4 hours sleep. lol

Although I'm not sure there IS intelligent life in this solar system.

Seed and I have had this discussion before! Deja view!

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed May 12, 2004 11:38 am

Burke wrote:Like I SAID...ALIEN UFOs.

No ghosts, no aliens, nothing...all they do is distract people from the important things in life.

distract from what? Like seeing an american civilian beheaded on TV?

Maybe it is a good distraction. Besides what is important you to might be unimportant to others and vice versa

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Wed May 12, 2004 11:40 am

downhill wrote:Errrrr Yes...Galaxy.....

Working on 4 hours sleep. lol

Although I'm not sure there IS intelligent life in this solar system.

Seed and I have had this discussion before! Deja view!

SeedOfChaos · Post by **SeedOfChaos** » Wed May 12, 2004 11:41 am

Well, you could argue differently though Blisster, if you want to pursue the "lonely" aspect of all of this:

Maybe there simply is no way to go beyond a certain speed barrier, for example roughly speed of light. In this case it would take periods of time for beings to travel which probably would exceed the beings' life span by a multitude, and thus isn't worth travelling. Even just one light year is a hell of a distance to travel...

However, there could be alternatives to 3D movement, so IMO you couldn't even argue this point with certainty.

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Let's have some fun, shall we? Other beings already visited Earth a number of times, and because their technology was far beyond human comprehension at that time, the humans called them "Gods". You know, the God(s) of the Old Testament were quite physical, having food offered, having sex with human females, needing vehicles for their transportation, etc. (I can dig bible quotes up if anyone really wants me to). It takes just a little imagination to read the bible entirely differently today than just 100 years ago. 100 years ago we didn't even think in terms of space flight, how would translators have caught the proper context and terminology correctly hundreds of years ago?

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed May 12, 2004 11:44 am

String theroy......a possibility..

Oh man...my head is starting to hurt again. lol

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed May 12, 2004 11:49 am

SeedOfChaos wrote:Well, you could argue differently though Blisster, if you want to pursue the "lonely" aspect of all of this:

Maybe there simply is no way to go beyond a certain speed barrier, for example roughly speed of light. In this case it would take periods of time for beings to travel which probably would exceed the beings' life span by a multitude, and thus isn't worth travelling. Even just one light year is a hell of a distance to travel...

However, there could be alternatives to 3D movement, so IMO you couldn't even argue this point with certainty.

i firmly believe that the speed of light is NOT the speed limit of the universe

SeedOfChaos · Post by **SeedOfChaos** » Wed May 12, 2004 11:50 am

So do I Brent, but I have no proof, so I won't argue it.

Care to respond to the second part of that post, which I edited in later?

(I'm not even sure it was a good idea to theorize about that in this thread...)

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed May 12, 2004 11:51 am

SeedOfChaos wrote:
However, there could be alternatives to 3D movement, so IMO you couldn't even argue this point with certainty.

dimensional travel =)

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed May 12, 2004 11:51 am

Von Dankan..(sp?)

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed May 12, 2004 11:52 am

SeedOfChaos wrote:
Let's have some fun, shall we? Other beings already visited Earth a number of times, and because their technology was far beyond human comprehension at that time, the humans called them "Gods". You know, the God(s) of the Old Testament were quite physical, having food offered, having sex with human females, needing vehicles for their transportation, etc. (I can dig bible quotes up if anyone really wants me to). It takes just a little imagination to read the bible entirely differently today than just 100 years ago. 100 years ago we didn't even think in terms of space flight, how would translators have caught the proper context and terminology correctly hundreds of years ago?

Very good point...also remember people use to believe the world is flat. Now we know otherwise.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed May 12, 2004 11:59 am

SeedOfChaos wrote:So do I Brent, but I have no proof, so I won't argue it. ]

I should correct my statement because there IS proof that some energy particles travel faster than light.

The problem is getting matter to travel faster than light. I do believe it can be done, we just haven't figured out how yet, we aren't up to that technological point yet of knowing how to do it.

It's just like the speed of sound, many doubted we'd ever break the sound barrier, but we did.

I doubt we'll see any progress in moving matter FTL in our lifetime, we aren't even going 1% of the speed of light with our current rockets as it is. It is going to take a whole new propulsion system and power source to get us up to xx% the speed of light. We just aint there yet, all this war stuff slows space exploration progress.

Let's have some fun, shall we? Other beings already visited Earth a number of times, and because their technology was far beyond human comprehension at that time, the humans called them "Gods". You know, the God(s) of the Old Testament were quite physical, having food offered, having sex with human females, needing vehicles for their transportation, etc. (I can dig bible quotes up if anyone really wants me to). It takes just a little imagination to read the bible entirely differently today than just 100 years ago. 100 years ago we didn't even think in terms of space flight, how would translators have caught the proper context and terminology correctly hundreds of years ago?

This is a common theory held by some. I personally don't believe it's true though.

Actually if you've ever watched Stargate the movie or the series SG1 this is what the Goa'uld are all about

They have advanced technology and with it pretend to be Gods and enslave whole planets.

teaaememy · Post by **teaaememy** » Wed May 12, 2004 12:15 pm

http://www.virtuallystrange.com/ufo/mex ... -05-04.mpg being I have dial up it is taking forever to load this. I am thinking it is a video. Can someone with a little more speed let me know?

mountainman · Post by **mountainman** » Wed May 12, 2004 12:39 pm

Hmm.. many interesting points here.

I would have to go from Blissters' point and work for that. I say there are probably other forms of life in other worlds that are not as evolved and others that are more evolved. I'm sure the ones who are more evolved have looked at this world and figured it wasn't worth getting involved.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed May 12, 2004 12:44 pm

mountainman wrote:Hmm.. many interesting points here.

I would have to go from Blissters' point and work for that. I say there are probably other forms of life in other worlds that are not as evolved and others that are more evolved. I'm sure the ones who are more evolved have looked at this world and figured it wasn't worth getting involved.

or maybe they created us as an experiment

the question is are we a success or a failure.

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Wed May 12, 2004 12:48 pm

There is no such thing as life.

No such thing as dirt

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed May 12, 2004 12:55 pm

teaaememy wrote:http://www.virtuallystrange.com/ufo/mex ... -05-04.mpg being I have dial up it is taking forever to load this. I am thinking it is a video. Can someone with a little more speed let me know?

interesting!

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Wed May 12, 2004 1:00 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:or maybe they created us as an experiment

the question is are we a success or a failure.

Lately, it's been the former!

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed May 12, 2004 1:04 pm

Prey521 wrote:Lately, it's been the former!

maybe, maybe not..all depends what we were being tested for =)

Bouncer · Post by **Bouncer** » Wed May 12, 2004 1:11 pm

Umm.. not so easy to dismiss is the Official Report from the Belgian Air Force, flying F-16's and using USA made guidance and radar systems. Not taking a side.. just find it interesting to note.

http://www.chez.com/lesovnis/htm/belrap02.htm

The report undeneath was described by E. Lamin, Colonel Breveté d'Etat-Major Chef de la Section Politique de Défense ad interim as "Veuillez trouver, ci-joint, un résumé de la déclaration faite à la presse, le 11 juillet 1990, par le Colonel Aviateur Breveté d'Etat-Major DE BROUWER, Chef de la Section Opérations de l'Etat-Major de la Force Aérienne Belge, relative aux observations en objet."

"At 00.05 2 F16 were scrambled from BEAUVECHAIN airbase and guided towards the radar contacts. A total of 9 interception attempts have been made. At 6 occasions the pilots could establish a lock-on with their air interception radar. Lock-on distances varied between 5 and 8 NM. On all occasions targets varied speed and altitude very quickly and break-locks occurred after 10 to 60 seconds. Speeds varied between 150 and 1010 kts. At 3 occasions both F16 registered simultaneous lock-ons with the same parameters. The 2 F16 were flying +- 2 NM apart. No visual contact could be established by either of the F16 pilots."

Regards,
-Bouncer-

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Wed May 12, 2004 1:20 pm

The pilot sat down with a police sketch artist and was asked to decribe what he saw.

Here is the preliminary sketch: