2 routers

hyperone · Post by **hyperone** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 8:16 pm

is there a way i can hook up 2 routers to say hookup 8 comps vrs 4 with only the one router if so anyone have direction or setting i need to set

one router is a 4 port wireless and one is a reg 4 port non wireless and im useing cable

thanks in advance

earthmofo · Post by **earthmofo** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:19 pm

You should post this to the Networking Forum. I'm sure they can help you there.

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:20 pm

you need to hook router to router by using the uplink port using a crossover cable

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:23 pm

mccoffee wrote:you need to hook router to router by using the uplink port using a crossover cable

Or just keep it simple, standard cable from standard LAN port on one router to WAN port on other router.

2x threads on this in networking forum.

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:25 pm

Give me mod status i'll move it

iKwak · Post by **iKwak** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 10:51 pm

I have never thought about using 2 routers to hook up 8 pc. Neat.

Kip Patterson · Post by **Kip Patterson** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 5:00 am

The better way would be to use a cheap hub or switch to expand the ports available from one router. If you daisy-chain two routers the computers on one router will not be able to communicate with those on the other.

Andrzej · Post by **Andrzej** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 5:07 am

what do you think about DMZ for second router ?

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 7:21 am

Andrzej wrote: what do you think about DMZ for second router ?

Why? You're still blocked from the internet anyways from the first routers NAT, and it's still running through the 2nd routers NAT...

While technically running a router inside a router works, I do it often when building servers or turnkey networks, so as to isolate the new machines from our buildings network, it's nothing I'd want for a full time solution. Those rigs inside the 2nd router, they'll be handicapped performance wise, and surely one would come across the need to run some software which doesn't like being double NAT'd. You can get a little 5 port switch for darned near a pile of pocket change these days...why not keep it simple and toss the 2nd router, replace with a switch.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 1:23 pm

Kip Patterson wrote:The better way would be to use a cheap hub or switch to expand the ports available from one router. If you daisy-chain two routers the computers on one router will not be able to communicate with those on the other.

Yeah I agree...why waste money on another router when u can just buy a 8 port or 4 port hub or switch. I have 4 8port switches hooked up to my 8 port router.
You can have up to 254 connections on an 8 port router..not sure about the 4's

Pie

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 1:48 pm

thepieman wrote: You can have up to 254 connections on an 8 port router..not sure about the 4's

Pie

Most of them, yes, just the rule of thumb for a class C subnet, 192.168.1.XXX. Regardless of how many LAN ports a router has.

Now wether or not you want to put 253 computers on a home market broadband router....that's up to you. Poor thing will be struggling a bit.

The higher end models with full ICSA and SPI will usually be licensed for however many computers are behind it...such as 5, 10, 25, 50, etc. That's according to the licensing for their protection.

JackMDS · Post by **JackMDS** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 5:14 pm

As funny as it may sound it is not a bad idea.

In most cases Routers on sale are less expensive than Switches, and especially less expensive than 8 Port Switches.

The connection has to be regular port to regular port using crossover cable (unless the Router port are mdx then any cable will do).

It is important make sure that both Routers are on the same IP band, leave the WAN (Internet) port open, and switch Off the DHCP.

And btw since you take one port of each router for Interconnection the result is 6 available ports (Not 8).

Even a better idea is to pay $10 more and get a Wireless Cable/DSL Router and be ready to be Cool.

Better instructions here: Using a Wireless Cable/DSL Router as a Switch with an Access Point]

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 5:21 pm

JackMDS wrote:It is important make sure that both Routers are on the same IP band

That won't matter I believe, as long as DHCP is off on that router. Since you're just using it's switching function, the LAN IP isn't an issue, can be anything but the LAN IP of the first router, any workstations (or anything the DHCP will be handing out), or it even be a completely different range/subnet.

MarOHTech · Post by **MarOHTech** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 7:49 am

hyperone wrote:is there a way i can hook up 2 routers to say hookup 8 comps vrs 4 with only the one router if so anyone have direction or setting i need to set

one router is a 4 port wireless and one is a reg 4 port non wireless and im useing cable

thanks in advance

I use two Belkin routers, one wireless and have a straight through cable from lan port on wireless to uplink port on wired. Here is a link to a description of my home network. http://www.broadbandreports.com/metashare/3cab35 I have no problems with speeds or configuration.

Andrzej · Post by **Andrzej** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:26 pm

compare to one router LAN
what with connection quality behind second router
'dubled NAD' ect
eg RTT, ping, speed

reader · Post by **reader** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 5:39 am

Greetings,

I did this about a year ago with YeOldeStoneCat's good advice.

Needed wireless in the house so ran the cable out of the uplink port of a Linky BEFSR41 through an 8-port switch into the WAN port of a Linky 4-port Wireless.

Disabled DHCP and NAT (I think...) on the wireless router.

Wireless computers communicate fine with those on the wired portion of the network.

Am I losing some efficiency?...if so, I can't notice it.

JackMDS · Post by **JackMDS** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:11 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:That won't matter I believe, as long as DHCP is off on that router. Since you're just using it's switching function, the LAN IP isn't an issue, can be anything but the LAN IP of the first router, any workstations (or anything the DHCP will be handing out), or it even be a completely different range/subnet.

It will work, but in case you need to access the second Router's menu it is better off being on the same band.

reader · Post by **reader** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 2:22 pm

I do access both routers' web administration.

Hardwired Linky 1 is 192.168.1.1
Wireless Linky 2 is 192.168.1.2

Linky 1 does DHCP for all computers that connect wired or wireless.

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 9:37 pm

Most consumer level broadband routers will allow you to turn off the DHCP and routing functions and use it as a switch, I would suggest doing that on router #2 and just pretending it is a 4 port switch.

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