Which AntiVirus according to VB had the most passes?

mmione · Post by **mmione** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 2:45 pm

I was going through and noticed AVG had only 4 passes and 20 fails.. Which AntiVirus did the best?

mmione · Post by **mmione** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 2:51 pm

I went through them all individually and found that NOD32 had the most passes, 26 passes and 3 fails.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 3:11 pm

That's one of the reasons I'm interested in getting my hands on NOD32, especially their networked version. It's not that I'm unhappy using Sym CE for my clients, actually I love it, tis been bulletproof for my setups (they are 23/6 in VB's writeups) ...but this past year I've been reading so much about NOD32, just want to be open to different products.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 3:14 pm

can you link to this report? thanks

mmione · Post by **mmione** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 3:27 pm

http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/archives/ ... l?eset.xml this is the link showing NOD32s results. From there you can search which antivirus results you want to see.

I think I am going to go try NOD32 on my step dads computer. I will post information over the trial period.

mmione · Post by **mmione** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 3:31 pm

BTW is there any proper way to uninstall AVG or do you just click uninstall?

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 4:06 pm

mmione wrote:http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/archives/ ... l?eset.xml this is the link showing NOD32s results. From there you can search which antivirus results you want to see.

I think I am going to go try NOD32 on my step dads computer. I will post information over the trial period.

Microsoft even said Windows NT is too flawed to fix, I wouldn't pay attention to a test that was done on an NT system.

Why uninstall AVG? It's the best there is.

mmione · Post by **mmione** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:25 pm

Well I havn't found any information on why it is the best, maybe if you provided me with some..

CableDude · Post by **CableDude** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:47 pm

I'm interested in trying this NOD32 as well. I downloaded but have yet to install it.

*shrugs*

Joel · Post by **Joel** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 1:02 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:That's one of the reasons I'm interested in getting my hands on NOD32, especially their networked version. It's not that I'm unhappy using Sym CE for my clients, actually I love it, tis been bulletproof for my setups (they are 23/6 in VB's writeups) ...but this past year I've been reading so much about NOD32, just want to be open to different products.

So, Symantec CE 8?

You like it? I have it, just recently installed it upon reading your post...

And why is it called Corperate Edition? What is the difference?

koldchillah · Post by **koldchillah** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 1:55 pm

sludge wrote:why is it called Corperate Edition? What is the difference?

It's not part of the general lower-end "Norton" series for home/small office users, this is more for companies that need something that can be configured & administered centrally in a "corporate" network environment as well as consume less resources on the client PC's. The major advantages are all more apparent in a network environment, but as a stand-alone solution, it does everything regular Norton versions do, but uses less resources and less overall user interaction. You can install Symantec Corp to a server and then have the server "manage" all the updates and scheduled scans for the client PC's throughout the network. The server side interface is incredible and its very easy to administer.

Joel · Post by **Joel** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 2:04 pm

Well.

So far I've been happy with the 'client' editiont of CE. Doesn't use a lot of resources or anything.

So, should I use this?

koldchillah · Post by **koldchillah** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 2:38 pm

sludge wrote:Well.

So far I've been happy with the 'client' editiont of CE. Doesn't use a lot of resources or anything.

So, should I use this?

absolutely. With all the other free & cheap AV solutions out there for home users, the cost for Symantec CE version isn't worth it for my home network, but if I had my own copy, I would use it in a heartbeat.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 2:44 pm

koldchillah wrote:It's not part of the general lower-end "Norton" series for home/small office users, this is more for companies that need something that can be configured & administered centrally in a "corporate" network environment as well as consume less resources on the client PC's. The major advantages are all more apparent in a network environment, but as a stand-alone solution, it does everything regular Norton versions do, but uses less resources and less overall user interaction. You can install Symantec Corp to a server and then have the server "manage" all the updates and scheduled scans for the client PC's throughout the network. The server side interface is incredible and its very easy to administer.

Agreed. CE makes my job here at the school alot easier.

Croc · Post by **Croc** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 4:06 pm

I also would not discard AVG because of what VBulletin says about it.

The tests done each month are on 1 selected platform. The program may perform 100% for 3 other platforms and we would never know because of the selection of 1 instead of all platforms. The high failure rate by all programs (not just AVG) is the method used.

Unfortunately, these "reasons" for not achieving their 100 award are not available to just anyone. You have to subscribe. That's how VBulletin survives and they have that right but without access to the information, you will never know. How can you make an informed decision on any AV program using VBulletin as a source for your assesment?

Nod32 is a very nice program and very effective. I am surprised more here don't use it.

I have used AVG ever since it became available. During that time I have seen so many of these threads.
The underlying reason for most of them is that AVG is free (as is Nod32) and because of that we think something must be wrong with it. I used to do an online scan every week at either Trend or Symantic for that reason. I have had InnoculateIT run with AVG as well and in the end all of these extras were removed, leaving AVG to do it's job. Nothing was ever found by using all of them that AVG didn't detect on it's own.

Croc.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 4:17 pm

sludge wrote:So, Symantec CE 8?

CE 9 is the latest version (recently came out)

There's also "Small Business Edition"...different licensing, but basically the same package.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 4:23 pm

Croc have you used NOD32 for any period of time? I see a "trial" version, which will run for 30 days, but can't find a free full time version.

Croc · Post by **Croc** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 5:29 pm

No, never used NOD32, Cat

Just did a search of the NOD site in Au and there is only a 30 day trial. Guess they want to get some money huh??
In that respect I am poorly informed.

Maybe that's the reason I have never used it lol.

Are you impressed with it?

Croc.

Rainbow · Post by **Rainbow** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:47 am

We just got Nod 32 at work for testing purposes...will let you know what they find.

AVG the best? Not hardly...its free for a reason...........

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 6:43 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:Microsoft even said Windows NT is too flawed to fix, I wouldn't pay attention to a test that was done on an NT system.

Why uninstall AVG? It's the best there is.

Read the site, all tests werent done on NT, AVG is far from teh best at 4 passes lol

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:14 pm

I'm so sick and tired of people bashing AVG for no reason at all. From what I read here a number of you are Network Administrators or have similiar jobs. In that enviornment you are only going to run into email viruses, hardly any trojans or even spyware. I know some of you do work for friends and people on the side. I work in the business enviornment and home enviornment every single day, multiple computers daily. From large networks to small home networks to single user pcs. I work on users computers that have a lot of experience to first time users. In this enviornment I see any and every type of problem you could possibly imagine. The most common problem is viruses/trojans/worms and spyware/malware and I have used every single app out there in removing/fixing these problems. I am in no way shape or form the most knowledgeable technician there is but I can say first hand which products are great or poor. I started using AVG on the HIGH recommendation of Dannjr (most of you know who he is and know his experience/knowledge) at DSLnuts. Since exclusively using it (FREE and Pro versions) I have seen it catch more viruses/trojans/worms that any other antivirus app there is. I have seen pcs with Symantec CE 8.1, McAfee, Norton Pro, PCillin, Panda and a few others have viruses that AVG found that NONE of these products caught. I see this day in and day out, just yesterday AVG found 7 trojans on a pc that Symantec CE 8.1. The reason I recommend it is because of what I have seen it do first hand, it has truly impressed me. This is not to mention the minimal resource usage it has and more frequent updates than any other av app I've seen. I come here to SG and try and help as many people as I can and learn from others, I think my track record speaks for itself. I only recommend software that I use and swear by, and have good reason and knowledge to back up my recommendations. I only try and help others stay safe and secure with their pcs and hate to see people use and swear by sub par products that I have personally seen fail again and again.

When some of your recommend the products you do what do you have to compare it to? One, two or a few computers or a multitude of pcs in different enviornments with all types of users? I know some of you a see more than me so please don't take this as I'm trying to be a know it all. I'm just trying to share my knowledge from what I see day in and day out, not just on a few computers.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 7:33 am

mnosteele52 wrote:I'm so sick and tired of people bashing AVG for no reason at all. From what I read here a number of you are Network Administrators or have similiar jobs. In that enviornment you are only going to run into email viruses, hardly any trojans or even spyware. I know some of you do work for friends and people on the side. I work in the business enviornment and home enviornment every single day, multiple computers daily. From large networks to small home networks to single user pcs. I work on users computers that have a lot of experience to first time users. In this enviornment I see any and every type of problem you could possibly imagine. The most common problem is viruses/trojans/worms and spyware/malware and I have used every single app out there in removing/fixing these problems. I am in no way shape or form the most knowledgeable technician there is but I can say first hand which products are great or poor. I started using AVG on the HIGH recommendation of Dannjr (most of you know who he is and know his experience/knowledge) at DSLnuts. Since exclusively using it (FREE and Pro versions) I have seen it catch more viruses/trojans/worms that any other antivirus app there is. I have seen pcs with Symantec CE 8.1, McAfee, Norton Pro, PCillin, Panda and a few others have viruses that AVG found that NONE of these products caught. I see this day in and day out, just yesterday AVG found 7 trojans on a pc that Symantec CE 8.1. The reason I recommend it is because of what I have seen it do first hand, it has truly impressed me. This is not to mention the minimal resource usage it has and more frequent updates than any other av app I've seen. I come here to SG and try and help as many people as I can and learn from others, I think my track record speaks for itself. I only recommend software that I use and swear by, and have good reason and knowledge to back up my recommendations. I only try and help others stay safe and secure with their pcs and hate to see people use and swear by sub par products that I have personally seen fail again and again.

When some of your recommend the products you do what do you have to compare it to? One, two or a few computers or a multitude of pcs in different enviornments with all types of users? I know some of you a see more than me so please don't take this as I'm trying to be a know it all. I'm just trying to share my knowledge from what I see day in and day out, not just on a few computers.

Woa dude, I dont bash AVG, but I do have to say that posts like yours where you said that you didnt trust the review because it was of win NT, when it was tested on alot of OSs. Also calling AVG the best without question is borderline crazy. AVG is good, I liked it while I used it, I found that trend micros dig well too, used that myself. I see lots of home user comps where AVG and the online trend mcro do the same job only recently did I try out Avast and got hooked, and the NOD32 beats both in the vb100 which is respectable. I haven't seen as many comps as you guys that work in the field, but enough to form an opinion.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:41 am

Sorry YARDofSTUF I wan't directing that at you, just a generalized statement. I see it at this forum and others and was just expressing my thoughts on the matter.

Please don't take it the wrong way.

CableDude · Post by **CableDude** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 6:46 pm

AVG has saved at home on at least 5 different occasions. I also use Symantec Corporate at work and it has caught two trojans on the server (Thank you real time protection).

In interested in trying NOD32 as well.

Paft · Post by **Paft** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 7:31 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:When some of your recommend the products you do what do you have to compare it to? One, two or a few computers or a multitude of pcs in different enviornments with all types of users?

I work in a school. I deal with about 25 PCs that idiots tend to have a field day downloading viruses on, as well as 4 teacher's PCs. Plus I secure the network at my house, 7 computers.

While I don't doubt your findings, I have my own. We're not wrong, we just have had different experiences.

Rainbow · Post by **Rainbow** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 9:29 am

Paft wrote:I work in a school. I deal with about 25 PCs that idiots tend to have a field day downloading viruses on, as well as 4 teacher's PCs. Plus I secure the network at my house, 7 computers.

While I don't doubt your findings, I have my own. We're not wrong, we just have had different experiences.

Exactly...and just because you like AVG so much doesnt mean others have to share your views.
Your always pro avg well Im not and Im just voicing my opinions as well.

Norm · Post by **Norm** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 9:43 am

I'm a fan of AGV myself.
Same experiences mnosteele has been through.
I won't knock other anti vi products if I haven't used or seen problems with them. I have seen troubles using Norton anti vi products.

I have never gotten a virus myself, but have used AVG many times on PC's using Norton anti vi, and found a number of viruses with AVG that Norton missed.
So far every PC I've ever scanned using an updated AVG has been repaired by it.
Never has a virus been left behind.
As for Avast, and NOD32, never used them, and don't come across them in the field, so can't comment. I've only read good things about both though.

No anti vi app is perfect.
The very best virus protection comes from frequent backups using Norton Ghost or a similar product.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 10:04 am

I like the avatar Norm

.

Rainbow I think you are missing my point. It's not that I "like" AVG so much, it's that I look for the best product in every catagory i.e. av, firewall, video cards, motherboards etc. While no product is perfect there are one's that are better than others. When I continuosly see problems with any software/hardware I will not recommend it and I usually see the same products with all the problems. AVG is hands down the most trouble free and best detection rate I have seen of any av product and I hate to see people use sub par products and think they are adequately protected. Software is too expensive to waste your money on so it is so important to invest in high quality products.

Paft · Post by **Paft** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 12:06 pm

Rainbow wrote:Exactly...and just because you like AVG so much doesnt mean others have to share your views.
Your always pro avg well Im not and Im just voicing my opinions as well.

Hah, I hate AVG with a passion. I see it as a worthless, utterly stupid, useless, bloated, and slow piece of crap.

Maybe you were replying to the wrong person?

WolfgangPC · Post by **WolfgangPC** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 2:58 pm

Hah, I hate AVG with a passion. I see it as a worthless, utterly stupid, useless, bloated, and slow piece of crap.

So are you saying that you don't like it?? LOL

AVG Pro rules all

That's it that's all..

Croc · Post by **Croc** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 5:00 pm

It's great to see all these opinions on AVG.

Surely AVG is among the most praised and pounded antivirus programs out there.

If it is so bad, why are there so many happy users of both versions?

If it is so bad, why is it that some of those users are highly experienced in IT?

Did Grisoft make an error in judgement allowing a free version?
It did achieve the desired effect though. Very few don't know the name at least. Maybe if they allowed a trial period as others do there wouldn't be this flood of differing opinion.

Personally, I am thankful Grisoft has given their program with few limitations to all those who want to use the free version.

Croc.

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 5:12 pm

Well I've said it before and I'll say it again, All Antivirus programs suck! Do you hear me? Why use any of them? They are a waste of good disk space.

Croc · Post by **Croc** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 5:19 am

blebs99 wrote: Well I've said it before and I'll say it again, All Antivirus programs suck! Do you hear me? Why use any of them? They are a waste of good disk space.

Yeah yeah, we have Blebs.

Croc

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 6:37 am

mnosteele52 wrote:I'm so sick and tired of people bashing AVG for no reason at all. From what I read here a number of you are Network Administrators or have similiar jobs. In that enviornment you are only going to run into email viruses, hardly any trojans or even spyware.

How can you presume to know the environment of people's networks? That's pretty laughable.

I come across practically every possible type of setup out there, A-Z, yup, been there, done that, used that too!

Pretty hypocritical you saying you're sick and tired of people bashing AVG, when you're the one who stands up on a soap box with the PA system screaming how Sym CE didn't work when you set it up. It's been totally standup for an aweful lot of us in the profession. Yet nobody else around here has shown the same poor taste in standing up and screaming on a soapbox that AVG sucks, usually you'll just get a few quick replies to a thread that they didn't like it. I don't bash AVG, I use it quite often on some freebie client machines. I don't like how their update doesn't work lately, but hopefully they'll invest in more update server bandwidth.

And NOD is gathering more of my attention, trying it on several of my own PC's. It's gathering the highest success rate on sites such as VB, seems there's no question there at which one scores the highest rate on their scoreboards (original title of this thread).

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 8:09 am

YeOldeStonecat wrote: How can you presume to know the environment of people's networks? That's pretty laughable.

I come across practically every possible type of setup out there, A-Z, yup, been there, done that, used that too!

Pretty hypocritical you saying you're sick and tired of people bashing AVG, when you're the one who stands up on a soap box with the PA system screaming how Sym CE didn't work when you set it up. It's been totally standup for an aweful lot of us in the profession. Yet nobody else around here has shown the same poor taste in standing up and screaming on a soapbox that AVG sucks, usually you'll just get a few quick replies to a thread that they didn't like it. I don't bash AVG, I use it quite often on some freebie client machines. I don't like how their update doesn't work lately, but hopefully they'll invest in more update server bandwidth.

And NOD is gathering more of my attention, trying it on several of my own PC's. It's gathering the highest success rate on sites such as VB, seems there's no question there at which one scores the highest rate on their scoreboards (original title of this thread).

You obviously can't read.

twwabw · Post by **twwabw** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 10:36 am

In that enviornment you are only going to run into email viruses, hardly any trojans or even spyware.

I saw that too YOSC....

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 11:00 am

twwabw wrote: I saw that too YOSC....

Are you guys are idiots. Do you not understand or completely read what I write?????

In the corporate enviornment the computers "should" be running Windows 2000 or XP, if so then all the users should have limited rights, in that enviornment the users are not using P2P apps and downloading and installing everything under the sun. Where as a home user with teenagers will do so and you will see A LOT more variations of viruses/trojans/spyware/malware.

I didn't "presume" anything, I was simply trying to make the statement that the corporate enviornment is completely different from a home enviornment and that 99% of the viruses you will encounter in the corporate enviornment will be intercepted via email since users cannot download and install any software they choose. I guess I have to spell everything out so that you guys will understand me.

If Symantec CE is so good then PLEASE expalin why I see it daily miss multiple infections that AVG catches?? PLEASE explain that??? As I said just 2 days ago 7 trojans it missed, PLEASE explain??

twwabw · Post by **twwabw** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 12:32 pm

Are you guys are idiots.

Uh - huh.....

That certainly adds some validity to the discussion.

by YOSC Yet nobody else around here has shown the same poor taste in standing up and screaming on a soapbox that AVG sucks

Exactly

I guess I have to spell everything out so that you guys will understand me.

Um.... no.... you just have to make rational, correct statements. And, try to state them without insulting everyone else, and their opinion(s).

by YOSC It's ( Symatec CE) been totally standup for an aweful lot of us in the profession.

Yes- it certainly has.

in that enviornment the users are not using P2P apps and downloading and installing everything under the sun.

You obviously haven't spent much time in the "Corporate" environment. Brian (YOSC) and I have- we make a living there.

I'm all for a good discussion and debate, but if you choose to insult when questioned or contradicted, then it shows more of your character than you may realize.

Again I refer to

Are you guys are idiots.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 6:25 am

mnosteele52 wrote:Are you guys are idiots. Do you not understand or completely read what I write?????

Good one, consider "Strike 1" for your piss poor attitude and disrespect. Ought to go right for strike 3 you're out.

You write "From what I read here a number of you are Network Administrators or have similiar jobs. In that enviornment you are only going to run into email viruses, hardly any trojans or even spyware." which comes across as insulting all network admins here...it blanket states that they don't run any "real" networks worthy to match your networks, which for some reason must be exponentially much more complicated than any other network admins around these forums can possibly fathom or setup. I'm sure everyone here feels great that you're be-littling them and their networks.

Corporate Environment...yes things are usually a lot more limited. But a good majority of my clients are small to medium sized networks, a mixture of OS's setup on a NAT router which gives them internet access and e-mail. That's all you need right there, those small networks are just as prone to abuse or naive surfing as all/any home setups. Sure I'd love all clients to be 2K or higher, but the world isn't ideal, all clients don't have a fat budget.

Why you saw CE miss stuff? I can't assume to know how you set it up. I go through a few extra steps when I roll it out. Myself I've seen AVG miss stuff, and VBulletin obviously saw it miss stuff, granted it was version 6, but if I understand it right, the freebie version is version 6.