I have 10Gb. But have never used more than 3GB. No graphics. I try to keep my system fairly clean. A lot of jpegs and stuff, but never get past 3GB.
Why do so many want those huge drives?
How much Hard Drive do you use/need?
Well, I got my system about 2 years ago with a 13 Gb. drive. I didn't know much about computers and hard drives and formats, so even though I told the guy that built the system I was going to collect a LOT of music, he said 13 Gb. would be plenty and I believed him.
A few months later I realized that the guy didn't know jack-sh*t about collecting music. I've downed over a Gigabyte of music in a single evening, and by now have about 30 CD-RW full of mp3s that I've pulled off to make room for new stuff.
So, if I had the chance I'd go for a 40Gb at least, and probably will as soon as I have some cash saved up. If I didn't collect music then I wouldn't see the need, but I do, so I see nothing wrong with giant drives.
A few months later I realized that the guy didn't know jack-sh*t about collecting music. I've downed over a Gigabyte of music in a single evening, and by now have about 30 CD-RW full of mp3s that I've pulled off to make room for new stuff.
So, if I had the chance I'd go for a 40Gb at least, and probably will as soon as I have some cash saved up. If I didn't collect music then I wouldn't see the need, but I do, so I see nothing wrong with giant drives.
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Originally posted by skg:
I have 10Gb. But have never used more than 3GB. No graphics. I try to keep my system fairly clean. A lot of jpegs and stuff, but never get past 3GB.
Why do so many want those huge drives?
well SKG,in answer to your question,I believe that under normal use,for home,10 gig is plenty of room,I am the same way that you are,I have a 10gig with about 3 or 4 gig filled,and I also have a 20 gig on one of my other boxes and i still have 15.8 free,what takes up alot of space is downloading music like was already said.but personally for me,if I want a music cd,I will go buy it.anyway I think you are fine with 3 gig filled,quicker defrags that way huh!!
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Not taking a swing at you, just explaining what I said a little more. 95% of my music are live shows that aren't available for purchase ANYWHERE.Originally posted by crazyman:
well SKG,in answer to your question,I believe that under normal use,for home,10 gig is plenty of room,I am the same way that you are,I have a 10gig with about 3 or 4 gig filled,and I also have a 20 gig on one of my other boxes and i still have 15.8 free,what takes up alot of space is downloading music like was already said.but personally for me,if I want a music cd,I will go buy it.anyway I think you are fine with 3 gig filled,quicker defrags that way huh!!
[ 02-12-2001: Message edited by: Humboldt ]
Well to explain why we need so much bigger hard drives I'll try:
These days Operating Systems and Programs are getting Bigger and BIGGER and BIGGER!
A Clean install of Windows Whistler Personal takes up 1.5GB on my hard drive, and that's JUST the Operating system!
Office2000, and such apps are just getting bigger and bigger and more bloated and more bloated.
Not to mention game install sizes, I have some games that take up 500MB and larger!
That plus the downloading of MP3's, Videos, and whatever else I'm doing with my computer. Now i've helped the load of stuff by putting all my MP3's on my file server, they are taking up 12GB of space filling up two 6GB hard drives on my server, I need to just get one 45GB hard drive for Just my mp3's since I have so many and will have so many more, i keep collecting. And I've aslo started collecting full length music videos now, so those take up a lot of space, luckily I have all that on my file server which has 4 6GB hard drives on it which I need to upgrade each to 45GB drives cause i'm runnign outta space on em all!
Right now i have an 18GB Hard Drive, i've had it for 2 years now, I've formatted a lot and stuff to keep it clean, cause it gets full fast hehe, right now i have 3GB free on it, my next upgrade for hard drives on this computer is going to be Two IBM 45GB 7200RPM ATA/100 Drives in a Raid 0 config
But it just all depends on what you are using your computer for, for most office type people 10GB is plenty for Word Processing and Excel etc....
It just depends on what you are doing with your computer...
[ 02-12-2001: Message edited by: Brent ]
These days Operating Systems and Programs are getting Bigger and BIGGER and BIGGER!
A Clean install of Windows Whistler Personal takes up 1.5GB on my hard drive, and that's JUST the Operating system!
Office2000, and such apps are just getting bigger and bigger and more bloated and more bloated.
Not to mention game install sizes, I have some games that take up 500MB and larger!
That plus the downloading of MP3's, Videos, and whatever else I'm doing with my computer. Now i've helped the load of stuff by putting all my MP3's on my file server, they are taking up 12GB of space filling up two 6GB hard drives on my server, I need to just get one 45GB hard drive for Just my mp3's since I have so many and will have so many more, i keep collecting. And I've aslo started collecting full length music videos now, so those take up a lot of space, luckily I have all that on my file server which has 4 6GB hard drives on it which I need to upgrade each to 45GB drives cause i'm runnign outta space on em all!
Right now i have an 18GB Hard Drive, i've had it for 2 years now, I've formatted a lot and stuff to keep it clean, cause it gets full fast hehe, right now i have 3GB free on it, my next upgrade for hard drives on this computer is going to be Two IBM 45GB 7200RPM ATA/100 Drives in a Raid 0 config
But it just all depends on what you are using your computer for, for most office type people 10GB is plenty for Word Processing and Excel etc....
It just depends on what you are doing with your computer...
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Too many music files!! Lets put it this way. If you have 500 MP3's and lets say that they each take up 3MB each at minimum
3x500=1500MB
That a little under 1.5GB
Many people have more than 500 music files so think of the possibilities. Then you have to add in programs and games and then you end up taking up a lot of space. As brent just said..........He is almost out of space on 4 6GB hard drives. Thats already 24GB.
3x500=1500MB
That a little under 1.5GB
Many people have more than 500 music files so think of the possibilities. Then you have to add in programs and games and then you end up taking up a lot of space. As brent just said..........He is almost out of space on 4 6GB hard drives. Thats already 24GB.
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Heres what i have on my file server, each drive is 6GB exact same hard drives:
C:\ Contains the OS Windows2000 Server and any programs I have installed for that computer such as the ICQ Active List servers, FTP, SETI etc....
D:\ This drive is labled Junk Drive it's where I stick all my Benchmark programs, and all my *ahem* full version apps (ISO's take up a lot of space
), and all the stuff I've collected that I want to keep that are important for the things I do
E:\ MP3 Drive 1 full of MP3's
F:\ MP3 Drive 2 full of MP3's
And that's just my server:
On my main computer I have my 18GB drive and it's almost full... but now I have no where to put the junk cause my server hard drives are full (too small anyways) I just wanna replace every hard drive with a 45 giger, but i have no money! haha
C:\ Contains the OS Windows2000 Server and any programs I have installed for that computer such as the ICQ Active List servers, FTP, SETI etc....
D:\ This drive is labled Junk Drive it's where I stick all my Benchmark programs, and all my *ahem* full version apps (ISO's take up a lot of space
), and all the stuff I've collected that I want to keep that are important for the things I doE:\ MP3 Drive 1 full of MP3's
F:\ MP3 Drive 2 full of MP3's
And that's just my server:
On my main computer I have my 18GB drive and it's almost full... but now I have no where to put the junk cause my server hard drives are full (too small anyways) I just wanna replace every hard drive with a 45 giger, but i have no money! haha
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Personally, I've got a 13 gig drive on my system, but will probably look into getting a 30 gig or 2 within the next week (prices are under $100)..I put most of my mp3s on cd, but I'd like to keep part of that library on hard drive simply for convenience sake...If I put all the mp3's I have in my collection onto a hard drive, I'd have probably about 15 gig...then, like Brent said, the videos start rolling in and hogging up a bunch more of the drive space...maybe I'll just have to invest in two 80 gig hard drives (my other two ide channels have a cd on one and a zip drive on the other)
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hmm, I think I might have an ata66 controller around here as well...I may just have to throw that in and get an ata100 alsoOriginally posted by Brent:
I just added an Ultra/100 controller on my server last week
so I can now put 8 IDE devices on my server, hehe
Let see, 12 drives...I'll need to get a second power supply as well as a fatboy case, numerous fans and some earplugs
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You can never have enough Hard Drive space or RAM. No matter how much or how big inevitably it will become to small.
winME for its Go Back feature makes an updated mirror of your hard drive. Compressed even that can't be a small amount of room. Multimedia takes up lots of room too. If i just had my games and aplications I wouldn't use over 6GB but as it stands I have 4 hard drives totaling 72GB. 332MB for windows 4.3GB for Aplications, 1.4GB in my download folder, 2.19GB for games, 40.23GB for mp3's and 4.86 for music video's i got 28GB free and it will be full in the next 3 months of mp3s and videos. I have come to the conclusion that hard drive size is all relative to the person filling it.
winME for its Go Back feature makes an updated mirror of your hard drive. Compressed even that can't be a small amount of room. Multimedia takes up lots of room too. If i just had my games and aplications I wouldn't use over 6GB but as it stands I have 4 hard drives totaling 72GB. 332MB for windows 4.3GB for Aplications, 1.4GB in my download folder, 2.19GB for games, 40.23GB for mp3's and 4.86 for music video's i got 28GB free and it will be full in the next 3 months of mp3s and videos. I have come to the conclusion that hard drive size is all relative to the person filling it.
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Interesting topic.
Humboldt. I too collect live boots. I don't keep them on my hard drive though. I burn them to cd as fast as I can. I'm only using maybe 5 megs of hard drive right now. Keeps everything simple.
Just run across this article on www.coolinfo.com for those of you that don't need a huge drive and want reliablity.
This might be pretty cool in a RAID O.
I'll bold this for our friend minir!
Maxtor Ships a Smaller, Simpler Hard Drive
In a competitive hard drive market, in which the latest technologies often cater to users seeking larger and larger capacities, Maxtor is taking a different tack: durability. This week the company launched the 531DX, a drive with relatively modest capacity but expected above-average reliability.
The 531DX holds only 15GB of data, but engineers designed it to be unusually sturdy, according to Maxtor. The drive has a single platter, a single read/write head, and a head-latching mechanism that keeps the fragile head firmly locked out of harm's way when you power down the drive.
The new drive is available now, and carries a street price of about $90. Maxtor is also producing a 10GB version, but plans to target that model primarily at PC manufacturers who'll build it directly into systems.
The drive has an UltraDMA/100 (also called ATA/100) interface that features burst data-transfer speeds of up to 100MB per second, although only relatively recent PCs have UltraDMA/100 support built in. The drive is also compatible with the earlier UltraDMA/66 and UltraDMA/33 interfaces, albeit with reduced performance.
Maxtor didn't design the 531DX for use in applications--such as video editing--that demand the highest performance, but the company did include a 2MB data buffer. Like other low-cost desktop models, the drive spins at 5400 rpm, and its average access speed of 15 milliseconds is low compared with most drives today.
If your needs run mainly to general office apps, such as word processing and spreadsheets, however, the 531DX should do a good job for you. You might even consider slaving one to your main hard drive and dedicating it to holding your MP3 music files.
Contributing to the drive's small size and high durability is the reduced number of moving parts, Maxtor representatives say. Standard 3.5-inch drives are 25.4mm high (about 1 inch); the 531DX is 17mm (less than 0.7 inches). It uses standard mounting holes for installation in any 3.5-inch drive bay, and the reduced height offers more space for air circulation around the drive, which further increases drive reliability, according to Maxtor.
Several Techniques for Stability
Most current large-capacity drives use multiple platters, holding as much as 30GB (15GB on each side), as well as a read/write head on each side of every platter. That results in a larger number of parts and more fragility than in the 531DX's simpler design.
The Maxtor 531DX is at the front edge of current technology with its 30GB platter, but it uses only one side and a single head. The simplified design results in 70 percent fewer parts, which Maxtor representatives say makes the drive more reliable over its life, and reduces the risk of assembly error and contamination during manufacturing.
In most conventional drives, the read/write heads "park" when you power down the drive, resting in "landing zones" on the inner parts of the platters where no data is stored. Still, the heads are prone to damage if you jar the drive. And manufacturers must prepare the landing surface to avoid a condition called "stiction," in which the heads stick to the platter surface, causing damage.
But the 531DX uses a technology called ramp loading that locks the head in a plastic latch above the drive surface when you power it down. Ramp loading is available in some high-end drives, but the 531DX is the first consumer-priced drive to use it.
As a result, when you turn the drive on and off regularly, it should last much longer and wear less, according to Maxtor. The company rates the drive for at least 50,000 on/off cycles with a component design life of at least five years.
Humboldt. I too collect live boots. I don't keep them on my hard drive though. I burn them to cd as fast as I can. I'm only using maybe 5 megs of hard drive right now. Keeps everything simple.
Just run across this article on www.coolinfo.com for those of you that don't need a huge drive and want reliablity.
This might be pretty cool in a RAID O.
I'll bold this for our friend minir!
Maxtor Ships a Smaller, Simpler Hard Drive
In a competitive hard drive market, in which the latest technologies often cater to users seeking larger and larger capacities, Maxtor is taking a different tack: durability. This week the company launched the 531DX, a drive with relatively modest capacity but expected above-average reliability.
The 531DX holds only 15GB of data, but engineers designed it to be unusually sturdy, according to Maxtor. The drive has a single platter, a single read/write head, and a head-latching mechanism that keeps the fragile head firmly locked out of harm's way when you power down the drive.
The new drive is available now, and carries a street price of about $90. Maxtor is also producing a 10GB version, but plans to target that model primarily at PC manufacturers who'll build it directly into systems.
The drive has an UltraDMA/100 (also called ATA/100) interface that features burst data-transfer speeds of up to 100MB per second, although only relatively recent PCs have UltraDMA/100 support built in. The drive is also compatible with the earlier UltraDMA/66 and UltraDMA/33 interfaces, albeit with reduced performance.
Maxtor didn't design the 531DX for use in applications--such as video editing--that demand the highest performance, but the company did include a 2MB data buffer. Like other low-cost desktop models, the drive spins at 5400 rpm, and its average access speed of 15 milliseconds is low compared with most drives today.
If your needs run mainly to general office apps, such as word processing and spreadsheets, however, the 531DX should do a good job for you. You might even consider slaving one to your main hard drive and dedicating it to holding your MP3 music files.
Contributing to the drive's small size and high durability is the reduced number of moving parts, Maxtor representatives say. Standard 3.5-inch drives are 25.4mm high (about 1 inch); the 531DX is 17mm (less than 0.7 inches). It uses standard mounting holes for installation in any 3.5-inch drive bay, and the reduced height offers more space for air circulation around the drive, which further increases drive reliability, according to Maxtor.
Several Techniques for Stability
Most current large-capacity drives use multiple platters, holding as much as 30GB (15GB on each side), as well as a read/write head on each side of every platter. That results in a larger number of parts and more fragility than in the 531DX's simpler design.
The Maxtor 531DX is at the front edge of current technology with its 30GB platter, but it uses only one side and a single head. The simplified design results in 70 percent fewer parts, which Maxtor representatives say makes the drive more reliable over its life, and reduces the risk of assembly error and contamination during manufacturing.
In most conventional drives, the read/write heads "park" when you power down the drive, resting in "landing zones" on the inner parts of the platters where no data is stored. Still, the heads are prone to damage if you jar the drive. And manufacturers must prepare the landing surface to avoid a condition called "stiction," in which the heads stick to the platter surface, causing damage.
But the 531DX uses a technology called ramp loading that locks the head in a plastic latch above the drive surface when you power it down. Ramp loading is available in some high-end drives, but the 531DX is the first consumer-priced drive to use it.
As a result, when you turn the drive on and off regularly, it should last much longer and wear less, according to Maxtor. The company rates the drive for at least 50,000 on/off cycles with a component design life of at least five years.
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[ 02-12-2001: Message edited by: downhill ]
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see why not. It would be dependent on the scsi raid controller as to how your RAID can be configured.Question.. Can you use SCSI drives in raid 0 configuration?
[ 02-12-2001: Message edited by: downhill ]
The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, and prejudices to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill and suspicion can destroy and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own for the children and the children yet unborn and the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight Zone.
RAID was originally designed with SCSI's in mind.... Yes 15000 rpm 160MB/s drives in 0,1,0+1,5.... Oh boy!!Originally posted by gmcd33:
Interesting...
I have a 10 gig Quantum and a 15 gig Maxtor--Both ATA 100
Question.. Can you use SCSI drives in raid 0 configuration?
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I have 3 Physical harddrives and a total of 5 in windows. They are as follows
C:\windows and windows temp stuff (2 gig)
D:\mp3s (40 gig)
E:\Apps + Games (15 gig)
F:\Downloads(12 gig)
J:\Backup (13.6 gig)
I also have 3 cd-rom's
G:\12x dvd
H:\56x Cd-rom
I:\12x burner
I used to have 6400 mp3z, now I have like 3700. I del alot of them
C:\windows and windows temp stuff (2 gig)
D:\mp3s (40 gig)
E:\Apps + Games (15 gig)
F:\Downloads(12 gig)
J:\Backup (13.6 gig)
I also have 3 cd-rom's
G:\12x dvd
H:\56x Cd-rom
I:\12x burner
I used to have 6400 mp3z, now I have like 3700. I del alot of them
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I've got two 75GB hard drives in RAID 0...But then I woke up.
I only have a 30GB...with like 2GB left....I need more!!!
[ 02-12-2001: Message edited by: ssjDoh ]
I only have a 30GB...with like 2GB left....I need more!!!
[ 02-12-2001: Message edited by: ssjDoh ]
Fdisk?
It only take me one beer to get drunk...just not sure if it's the ninth or tenth one
It only take me one beer to get drunk...just not sure if it's the ninth or tenth one
my HD is 25.4GB formatted
11.7GB used
13.6GB free
I used to have only 8gigs free but I put a LOT of my mp3's on CDs (I have 14 CDs w/mp3s)
I want to put more of my mp3s on CDs but it takes forever w/my crap burner.
Currently I have 9.32GB (2045 files, I have some music vids stuck in there) mp3's left on my HD
oops, to answer the 2nd question
I NEED 2 of those IBM 75GB drives so that I can have ALL my mp3s on my HD and Programs
and use the other HD only for winblows
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11.7GB used
13.6GB free
I used to have only 8gigs free but I put a LOT of my mp3's on CDs (I have 14 CDs w/mp3s)
I want to put more of my mp3s on CDs but it takes forever w/my crap burner.
Currently I have 9.32GB (2045 files, I have some music vids stuck in there) mp3's left on my HD
oops, to answer the 2nd question
I NEED 2 of those IBM 75GB drives so that I can have ALL my mp3s on my HD and Programs
and use the other HD only for winblows
[ 02-12-2001: Message edited by: balakov10 ]
How hard is it to install a new drive, as in, for someone with (very little) hardware experience? I mean, I've installed sound and video cards, but that's about it, and I know with drives you have to set the slave/primary and techie stuff like that. Should I bother researching it and attempt it myself, or just forgo the hassle and take it to a local shop?
On the 30g Maxtor UDMA 7200...
10 G for Win98..
12 G for Win2k...
3 G for Backups programs and drivers..
5 G for objectable material..
On the 13 G SeaGate UDMA 7200...
7 G Music Mp3's ect..
6 G for Music Videos..
10 G for Win98..
12 G for Win2k...
3 G for Backups programs and drivers..
5 G for objectable material..
On the 13 G SeaGate UDMA 7200...
7 G Music Mp3's ect..
6 G for Music Videos..
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Don't waste your money on shop feesOriginally posted by Humboldt:
How hard is it to install a new drive, as in, for someone with (very little) hardware experience? I mean, I've installed sound and video cards, but that's about it, and I know with drives you have to set the slave/primary and techie stuff like that. Should I bother researching it and attempt it myself, or just forgo the hassle and take it to a local shop?
hard drives are easy, you can do it yourself
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man how can some1 only use 3 gb. god, i wish i had 3 gb left. i have a tiny 10gb. its actualy only 9.33gb but i guess it was sold as 10. i use so much space its not even funny. everyweek i have to delete stuff bcuz i run out of space. too tell u how much i use; i 1ce had 3 gb os mp3's. now thats down to 1.5.that 3gb was only like 500 songs. at the height i was using scour, i had 6gb of movies. that may seem like alot but its not. a 1 and 1/2 hour movie may be as large as 600mb or as small as 230mb. it depends on the resoultion. now i only have about 1.5gb of movies. the rest is warez and and sytem files. i estimate to have about 2gb of warez stuff. which is not much. madden 2001 is 500mb by itself. i dont know about buying a new drive. i want to purchase 1, but if i remove a hard drive from my computer im afraid it somehow may be deleted, or when i reinstall it w/ the new computer im getting it will be eraced. i have seen great prices at fry eletronics on harddrives. 45gb maxator 7200 4 $115. thats bottom out prices.
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question ??
iif i purchase a new hardrive and install and start saving things on it. if i were to take it out and put it in a different computer, will all the files stay intact or will they be deleted upon installing the drive in a different computer?
maybe a simple question, but i have never done it so i want to know b4 i purchase a new drive.
[ 02-13-2001: Message edited by: mooseboy8X ]
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question ??iif i purchase a new hardrive and install and start saving things on it. if i were to take it out and put it in a different computer, will all the files stay intact or will they be deleted upon installing the drive in a different computer?
maybe a simple question, but i have never done it so i want to know b4 i purchase a new drive.
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don't you hate that you buy a 10GB hard drive and it really only 9.52GB or something not bad not to far off the 10GB advertised but once you get multiple large capacity drives it adds up if i added mine up with what is advertised space i have 83GB howerver actual size is 72.61 thats just over 10GB of space i bought but don't have 
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