Doctors: How come they can get away with being pricks?

David · Post by **David** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 1:12 pm

Originally posted by messiah:
Man,

How can doctors be sooo un-empathetic to people in pain? Since when has the pharamecutical companies influenced doctors treatments? How can physicians refuse to see new people? How come Doctors are so easily protected against malpractice? It sickens me!!!!!

For any of you physicians or doctors reading:

WE COME FOR HELP, NOT TO WASTE YOUR F***NG TIME! SHOW US THE SAME RESPECT, BECAUSE UNLIKE YOUR ASS, WE ARE NOT ON THE CLOCK!

It takes little effort to listen to people, and relate to whats happpening to them, Especially if your in the profession!

Arrrrgghhhhh!

It is unfortunate, that people in whatever occupation they have, become jaded. To hear complaints all day long and then hand out meds, it is easy for many doctors (dentists, physicians etc.) to forget what is attached to the problem, human beings. The kicker has been the "news" that we over-medicate. It also does not help when Newsweek cover pages an article on Oxycotin/Vicodin abuse. You would think that every doc in the US is handing these jewels out like candy.
Hospitals are like nursing homes, unless someone is there to ride the staff, the patient is ignored.
Insurance companies now dictate what tests and procedures are allowed (That they will cover).
Fewer people will be going into the profession of medicine.

As to your clock comment... I hear it all the time from my patients.... They cannot make time for their appointments.

I am different. I am friends with most all my patients. I know their families and their occupations.... I have gone to their funerals and been to their weddings. It really is a beautiful thing. Pity more docs are too busy (Genuinely or not) to take advantage of their station.

shant,
david

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 3:24 pm

What else is a trip, is I can't get any pain meds. I have had four major surgeries, two minor ones. Have had 13 pieces of metal put in me and 10 taken out. Broke all the bones in my right leg, and crushed two disk in my back and neck. All I ever get from the docs is "deal with it". I know there are people that have had much worse, but I really don't know how much longer I can deal with the daily pain. I don't want pity from any body, I just wish I could have a better quality of life.

I don't know what is worse, addiction to pain pills or constant daily pain. It just bums me out sometimes. It's a constant mental battle to not let myself get depressed because I hurt so badly.

I know a lady that trades her doctor blow jobs for Oxycotin scrips. Well, I guess I don't hurt that bad, do I?

TonyT · Post by **TonyT** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 5:11 pm

In any profession about 20% of the people are real jerks, but they are not chronically *******s. They roller coaster, have good days & bad in dealing with others. About 2 1/2 % of alll people are psycho and real *******s who can nopt stand the thought of anyone getting better. There are psycho doctors & nurses, just as there are psycho taxi drivers and tile installers.

Just cause a man is a doctor does not make him any better than another man. Some docs have a "know it all" attitude and it is visible. (common attitude of internists, crack surgeons and disillusioned journalists)

hey messia, what did the doc do to you anyway?

hey Hell_Yes, was a time when I would have been your bestest buddy if you dished out the perc's to me!

crazyman · Post by **crazyman** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 5:14 pm

it's all about $$$$$$$$$$$

Cornbread · Post by **Cornbread** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 5:31 pm

Originally posted by RoundEye:
What else is a trip, is I can't get any pain meds. I have had four major surgeries, two minor ones. Have had 13 pieces of metal put in me and 10 taken out. Broke all the bones in my right leg, and crushed two disk in my back and neck. All I ever get from the docs is "deal with it". I know there are people that have had much worse, but I really don't know how much longer I can deal with the daily pain. I don't want pity from any body, I just wish I could have a better quality of life.

I don't know what is worse, addiction to pain pills or constant daily pain. It just bums me out sometimes. It's a constant mental battle to not let myself get depressed because I hurt so badly.

I know a lady that trades her doctor blow jobs for Oxycotin scrips. Well, I guess I don't hurt that bad, do I?

we have something in common roundeye. I also had two crushed disk in my back, and just had a fusion at the site last year. not a day goes by that I wish I had pain meds to help, but as you say, the docs just tell me to deal with it. I wish it was that easy. now I catch myself wanting to go back to alcohol just so i can deal with the pain. before anyone debates me on this, unless you have had back surgery, you have no idea of the pain we deal with.

[ 04-11-2001: Message edited by: cornbread ]

David · Post by **David** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 5:37 pm

Originally posted by TonyT:
In any profession about 20% of the people are real jerks, but they are not chronically *******s. They roller coaster, have good days & bad in dealing with others. About 2 1/2 % of alll people are psycho and real *******s who can nopt stand the thought of anyone getting better. There are psycho doctors & nurses, just as there are psycho taxi drivers and tile installers.

Just cause a man is a doctor does not make him any better than another man. Some docs have a "know it all" attitude and it is visible. (common attitude of internists, crack surgeons and disillusioned journalists)

hey messia, what did the doc do to you anyway?

hey Hell_Yes, was a time when I would have been your bestest buddy if you dished out the perc's to me!

Percs a coming....

One thing to keep in mind is the professional code. Essentially, it is a level of detachment that certain occupations require (Doctors, policemen etc) in order not to become emotionally involved. Why is this necessary? Dealing with everyone pain, misery, social morays and what not is incredibly draining. In addition, their is a parent/child relationship between the professional and the client (Giving instructions that are to be followed.).

The pain med thing.... Uhhhhhhh....
Doctors are being scared out of prescribing meds. Myself, I had them out if I know someone is suffering. I suffer from crippling headaches (As previously mentioned), though I don't take anything strong for them, I could imagine others needing the help. The last time a pharmacy gave me a problem, I offered to saw two molars out of her head so she would know the pain my patient was feeling. I can't stomach pu$$y doctor who won't help their patients.
Of course, there are some jack asses who keep the patients over medicated in the hospital so that they may not be a bother.

shant,
david

fanta · Post by **fanta** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 5:44 pm

I can sympathize with you guys, Roundeye, and Cornbread.

Its hard for legit people to get pain meds though when a large portion of people who use them abuse them.

Like David said, Newsweek just did a cover story on people abusing pain meds. In some bumkin states in the US these pain meds are their version of the crack epidemic. You can thank all the young kids who are snorting Oxy pills, injecting them, and chewing them in high doses.

I dont know what I would do If I was in your guys' situation. Probably the same though...anything to get rid of the pain. Just remember though, just cause the doc can hand them out, doesn't mean they are any safer than the junk on the streets.

Cornbread · Post by **Cornbread** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 6:10 pm

at one time i was on "lortab", but now i am out, and over the counter sh1t just doesn't help.

striderf1 · Post by **striderf1** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 6:14 pm

its incredibly difficult to become a good doctor (who can say med school and many sleepless nights?). I know a bunch of doctors and they all mean well. the problem is simple: everyone gets sick, but the ratio of doctors to the general population is just too small.

I don't mind cutting a bunch of slack for doctors, they mean well and its not their fault for most things like delays, expensive visits, and tests (except like wrongly prescribing a medecine or too much medecine, that is their fault).

David · Post by **David** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 7:40 pm

Good point Striderf1.

Messiah, how many occupations are out there that match the threat of litigation as dies the practice of medicine? Not many other jobs require malpractice.

shant,
david

BTW...
OxyCotin is time release.... Crush it up, and it 60mg of oxycodone.... 12x the normal dosage of Percocet.

weee96 · Post by **weee96** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 7:42 pm

I was once addicted to pain meds, and trust me doctors flip out about it more than it really is. This is a very suttle addiction and can easily be broken, much MUCH easier than say smoking. I dont see why doctors wont allow you to make the choice of "dealing with it" or taking a medication that will destroy the pain, but have side effects. Sad really, but some doctors are under alot of surveillence (I cant spell, sue me) and are too paranoid to give the medication out. When used properly, these medications are completely harmless to your mind, body, and will only help you. I hope you can find a doctor who will help you out, sorry to hear about your pain.

David · Post by **David** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 7:42 pm

Originally posted by RoundEye:
I know a lady that trades her doctor blow jobs for Oxycotin scrips. Well, I guess I don't hurt that bad, do I?

<whimper..... as he stares at his prescription pad...>

Cornbread · Post by **Cornbread** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 7:44 pm

Originally posted by Hell_Yes:
<whimper..... as he stares at his prescription pad...>

prescribe me some Lortabs!

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 7:45 pm

We have an Oxycotin epidemic here in New Orleans. Many people are abusing them. I have tried Oxycotin once, to be honest it did not do much for the pain. I've found that Vicodin works the best. I have asked doctors in the past "what bones have you broken?" More often than not a get a reply of "none". How can they realy know the level of pain I'm in if they have never broken any bones?

I went to a doctor about two months ago (again) to see what can be done for the pain. Fusion is the next step for my ankle. Then that might cause worse problems with my back, since I won't be able to walk properly. Man I'm just f*cked, that's all there is to it.

Well enough about this from me, this is what I get from the life I have chosen to live, Motorcycles

David · Post by **David** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 7:50 pm

Originally posted by RoundEye:
We have an Oxycotin epidemic here in New Orleans. Many people are abusing them. I have tried Oxycotin once, to be honest it did not do much for the pain. I've found that Vicodin works the best. I have asked doctors in the past "what bones have you broken?" More often than not a get a reply of "none". How can they realy know the level of pain I'm in if they have never broken any bones?

I went to a doctor about two months ago (again) to see what can be done for the pain. Fusion is the next step for my ankle. Then that might cause worse problems with my back, since I won't be able to walk properly. Man I'm just f*cked, that's all there is to it.

Well enough about this from me, this is what I get from the life I have chosen to live, Motorcycles

Percocet and Vicodin have an intial surge (peek) early. Oxycotin was design to dissolve slowly so that the level of med in the blood stream would be constant over 12 hours.

Cornbread · Post by **Cornbread** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 7:55 pm

lortab worked the best for me after my fusion. now i am out and the docs say "deal with it", like roundeye said. i wasn't even abusing the drug, i was only taking 1 a day, when i was supposed to take 2-3 a day. now the pain suxs, maybe a good DRINK would help the pain! no joke, seriously....i do catch myself wanting to drink because of the pain, but then i am afraid i would do worse things to myself if i start drinking again. its good to see some of you know our situations.

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 7:56 pm

I know I said no more from me, but I just wanted to show y'all I'm not a sh!t talker about all this. This is a pic some of you might have seen already. It's my right ankle before they took all but three screws out. I don't have any pics of my Femur that had metal in it. I had to steal these pics from the damn hospital, they wouldn'e give me any pics of my own leg!
**David, I chewed it. No time release for me**

Cornbread · Post by **Cornbread** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 8:00 pm

Roundeye,

we know your not talkin' sh1t. btw, thats what my back looks like now. i have all of those pins, rods, and cages in my lower back. L4L5-s1 area.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 8:01 pm

ya'll really need some 29th century medical attention, all these things can be fixed real easily

aaqm · Post by **aaqm** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 8:10 pm

I can sympathize with you who suffer from untreated pain. My wife (of nearly 28 years!)has been disabled for more than 10 years with abdominal pain. It took a lot of work and effort on our part to get her pain meds, including fighting off psychiatrists who insisted she was a drug addict. They got control of her care and put her on heavy psychotropics. She was so drugged out that she didn't recognize me when I came to visit her at the hospital. Thankfully, we had a psychologist on our side who was affiliated with Childrens Hospital in Philadelphia. Between him, and my threatening to sue the head of Temple University Psychiatry dept personally, we got her off that stuff. That's when she went to the pain clinic for the first time.

She takes morphine 24 hours a day, and has been controlling her pain for many years now. I can tell you with absolute certanty that there are fates worse than death, let alone worse than drug addiction. Life is bearable for her because of the morphine.

One thing that can get doctors on your side is a pain management clinic in a university hospital. They are frequently the _final_ word in whether you get pain killers or not. They helped my wife, and many others. They can perscribe pain killers, and bypass any anal doctors who think pain isn't that bad. Try finding university hospitals near you.

It helps if you are married. Failing that, take Mom or Dad with you. (Male sufferers are believed more than females. If you are female, take your Dad.) You need allies when fighting for pain relief, especially ones who can ask sharp questions, and not take a docs word for gospel. If you see a shrink, he or she can help, too. If you are still under twenty, try seeing someone at a childrens hospital. The psychologist we saw was for our son, which is why we got someone from Childrens, but he helped us adults more than the kid. ;-) The best docs in the world are at a children's hospital.

Don't give up. Just because one miserly doc says no, doesn't mean that all docs don't understand pain. Good luck, and may you be pain free.

Al M.c.C.a.n.n

David · Post by **David** » Wed Apr 11, 2001 10:14 pm

Originally posted by aaqm:
I can sympathize with you who suffer from untreated pain. My wife (of nearly 28 years!)has been disabled for more than 10 years with abdominal pain. It took a lot of work and effort on our part to get her pain meds, including fighting off psychiatrists who insisted she was a drug addict. They got control of her care and put her on heavy psychotropics. She was so drugged out that she didn't recognize me when I came to visit her at the hospital. Thankfully, we had a psychologist on our side who was affiliated with Childrens Hospital in Philadelphia. Between him, and my threatening to sue the head of Temple University Psychiatry dept personally, we got her off that stuff. That's when she went to the pain clinic for the first time.

She takes morphine 24 hours a day, and has been controlling her pain for many years now. I can tell you with absolute certanty that there are fates worse than death, let alone worse than drug addiction. Life is bearable for her because of the morphine.

One thing that can get doctors on your side is a pain management clinic in a university hospital. They are frequently the _final_ word in whether you get pain killers or not. They helped my wife, and many others. They can perscribe pain killers, and bypass any anal doctors who think pain isn't that bad. Try finding university hospitals near you.

It helps if you are married. Failing that, take Mom or Dad with you. (Male sufferers are believed more than females. If you are female, take your Dad.) You need allies when fighting for pain relief, especially ones who can ask sharp questions, and not take a docs word for gospel. If you see a shrink, he or she can help, too. If you are still under twenty, try seeing someone at a childrens hospital. The psychologist we saw was for our son, which is why we got someone from Childrens, but he helped us adults more than the kid. ;-) The best docs in the world are at a children's hospital.

Don't give up. Just because one miserly doc says no, doesn't mean that all docs don't understand pain. Good luck, and may you be pain free.

Al M.c.C.a.n.n

Al,

What is your wife's condition... Ulcer, Celiac sprue?
I only ask because I know a few physicians in the PA/NJ/NY area...

shant,
david

messiah · Post by **messiah** » Thu Apr 12, 2001 12:53 am

Man,

How can doctors be sooo un-empathetic to people in pain? Since when has the pharamecutical companies influenced doctors treatments? How can physicians refuse to see new people? How come Doctors are so easily protected against malpractice? It sickens me!!!!!

For any of you physicians or doctors reading:

WE COME FOR HELP, NOT TO WASTE YOUR F***NG TIME! SHOW US THE SAME RESPECT, BECAUSE UNLIKE YOUR ASS, WE ARE NOT ON THE CLOCK!

It takes little effort to listen to people, and relate to whats happpening to them, Especially if your in the profession!

Arrrrgghhhhh!

fanta · Post by **fanta** » Thu Apr 12, 2001 5:57 am

Roundeye, maybe you've just got yourself some incentive to move to California.

If I were you, I'd seriously consider getting some medical marijuana.

keeper · Post by **keeper** » Thu Apr 12, 2001 7:18 am

If I don't like my doctor 100%...I make a a change.

Also, mydoc knows I love going to court [and will, with little provocation].

Me & my family get treated like royalty byour doctors.

They work for US...at Our discretion.

messiah · Post by **messiah** » Thu Apr 12, 2001 9:02 am

Originally posted by fanta:
Roundeye, maybe you've just got yourself some incentive to move to California.

If I were you, I'd seriously consider getting some medical marijuana.

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Thu Apr 12, 2001 9:11 am

Does pot work for pain, or is it that you hurt but just don't care after you smoke a joint?

messiah · Post by **messiah** » Thu Apr 12, 2001 9:20 am

Originally posted by RoundEye:
Does pot work for pain, or is it that you hurt but just don't care after you smoke a joint?

It's not that you dont care, it's just that you dont notice.

weee96 · Post by **weee96** » Thu Apr 12, 2001 4:19 pm

Scientifically I dont think marijuana has any pain relieving qualities, but when I've used it I do find a numbing of the senses. It does allow you to think of things other than the pain as well, but its of course illegal and I wouldnt get into it too much.

David · Post by **David** » Thu Apr 12, 2001 6:58 pm

Originally posted by weee96:
Scientifically I dont think marijuana has any pain relieving qualities, but when I've used it I do find a numbing of the senses. It does allow you to think of things other than the pain as well, but its of course illegal and I wouldnt get into it too much.

It has sedative properties, hence, it does provide some level of analgesia. It is top notch at settling nausea and improving appetite. If it were not illegal, it would be considered one of the most powerful medicinal herbs....
Legalize IT!!!

shant,
david

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Thu Apr 12, 2001 8:18 pm

I say legalize pot also. Make it like alcohol, over 21 to purchase and no driving under the influence.

I have smoked in the past, but I haven't indulged in quite some time. I think if I smoked a joint right now I would become temporarily functionally illiterate.

To be honest if I could funtion properly while high, and pot gave me the relieve I needed, I would smoke whether it's legal or not.

aaqm · Post by **aaqm** » Thu Apr 12, 2001 8:27 pm

Originally posted by Hell_Yes:

Al,

What is your wife's condition... Ulcer, Celiac sprue?
I only ask because I know a few physicians in the PA/NJ/NY area...

shant,
david

The weird thing is that they can't exactly say what is causing it. After much testing by the pain clinic folks (with spinal taps), they know exactly what nerve is being stimulated. They just don't know why. Their best guess is a microscopically small tumor or defect directly on the nerve. Temporary nerve blocks worked for a short while, but have problems like a cut nerve, and they don't last long. Also, getting one involves a needle through the chest to the spine, right through the aorta. It involved the longest needle you will EVER see.

There are several other women with exactly the same kind of thing at Temple being treated by the GI folks. The head doctor there takes care of my wife, along with the others. He thinks it is an undiscovered disease or syndrome, but very rare. (The reason GI manages their care is that there are motility problems in all these women.) Two of the women being seen by him actually got better, but they think that the condition just went away on its own. This offers much hope to my wife... All of them have been seen by the pain clinic folks, which more or less proved that something physical in the abdomen was the source of the pain.

The only option, other than pain killers, offered by the pain clinic was cutting the nerve. They recomended NOT having this done, as the cure would be worse than the disease. You can die in a hurry without pain telling you something is wrong.

Her pain is somewhat less than it used to be, so she can use pills rather than IV. She had a porta-cath and other permanant IV connections for years, and got a lot of sepsis (blood infection). She got spinal meningitis TWICE through the IV, along with many other 'regular' infections, and some rare weird fungal infection that had all the med students trooping in to see her. ;-)

This was enough to run up litteraly millions of dollars in medical bills, and roughly two YEARS of hospital stays in days. We were very happy to convert to pills.

Thankfully, we have mostly good health insurance, though I had to have our lawyer threaten them several times because Blue Cross kept denying hospital admittance. Temple ate sevral hospital stays becasue my wife was so ill that they thought she was dying, all the while BC was saying NO ADMITANCE.

So it goes. We live one day at a time. Life is short, eat desert first. ;-)

Al M.c.C.a.n.n