How can the universe not be infinite?

Brandon_k_W · Post by **Brandon_k_W** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:00 pm

How????

Something has to exist beyond the universe. How can "nothing" be after the universe. What IS nothing?

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:01 pm

Originally posted by Brandon_k_W
What IS nothing?

You ever driven through Nebraska?

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:04 pm

Originally posted by Brandon_k_W
What IS nothing?

It's a fantasy being that attacks Atrayu.

64bit · Post by **64bit** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:12 pm

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:12 pm

Originally posted by Burke
It's a fantasy being that attacks Atrayu.

I loved the rock eaters!!!!

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:13 pm

Originally posted by Brandon_k_W
How????

Something has to exist beyond the universe. How can "nothing" be after the universe. What IS nothing?

Exactly that...nothing...strange concept..........

sito · Post by **sito** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:16 pm

If we can't comprehend it, doesn't mean it is or isn't there.

edit: I Re-read the Thread topic; it is infinite as far as we can comprehend? Like a globe perhaps.

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:23 pm

Originally posted by Brandon_k_W
How????

Something has to exist beyond the universe. How can "nothing" be after the universe. What IS nothing?

In the begining there was nothing but ar highly compressed thing about the size of an atom maybe even smaller. Then Kaboom (The Big Bang) And all the matter and stuff that was so compressed started expanding. And it will keep expanding untill it runs out of energy, then it will all come crashing back in. Take an Cosmology class.

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:25 pm

Originally posted by sitosterol
If we can't comprehend it, doesn't mean it is or isn't there.

edit: I Re-read the Thread topic; it is infinite as far as we can comprehend? Like a globe perhaps.

No the universe is finite, it just keeps expanding. There is alot of stuff we don't understand yet or haven't found such as the illusive Dark Matter.

64bit · Post by **64bit** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:26 pm

Originally posted by agentbeast
In the begining there was nothing but ar highly compressed thing about the size of an atom maybe even smaller.

Where did this thing come from? Not being a smart ass just asking the obvious???

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:32 pm

Originally posted by 64bit
Where did this thing come from? Not being a smart ass just asking the obvious???

Who knows? Maybe it was created maybe it was always there.

It's hard to comprehend stuff with out limits, or something that has been around forever.

64bit · Post by **64bit** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:35 pm

Originally posted by agentbeast
Who knows? Maybe it was created maybe it was always there.

It's hard to comprehend stuff with out limits, or something that has been around forever.

Your right. Alot of questions and who even knows if they are the right questions......

*edit* although........energy has to have a source so something had to have "created" the building blocks of the universe but then something had to create whatever "created" the building blocks but then something had to "create" whatever "created" that, which brings us back to:

SavageHrt · Post by **SavageHrt** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:38 pm

Originally posted by Noevo
You ever driven through Nebraska?

Hey!!! I live in Nebraska. Lol, so true though... I laughed when I read that.

Sav

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:39 pm

Originally posted by SavageHrt
Hey!!! I live in Nebraska. Lol, so true though... I laughed when I read that.

Sav

yeah I remember you. You must have been THE guy at THE gas station?

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:40 pm

Originally posted by 64bit
Your right. Alot of questions and who even knows if they are the right questions......

What I said above was just the most recent theory, it just seems to make the most sense to me, and also fits into theology aswell depending on how you look at it. Cosmology/Astronomy has always interested me. Cosmology more so than Astronomy although the go hand in hand.

SavageHrt · Post by **SavageHrt** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:42 pm

Originally posted by Noevo
yeah I remember you. You must have been THE guy at THE gas station?

Lol ... That was me ... The gas attendant that doubles as a bar tender ...

Bastid · Post by **Bastid** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 3:47 pm

Originally posted by Noevo
You ever driven through Nebraska?

General_Jack_As · Post by **General_Jack_As** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 3:54 pm

Originally posted by agentbeast
In the begining there was nothing but ar highly compressed thing about the size of an atom maybe even smaller. Then Kaboom (The Big Bang) And all the matter and stuff that was so compressed started expanding. And it will keep expanding untill it runs out of energy, then it will all come crashing back in. Take a Cosmetology class.

General_Jack_As · Post by **General_Jack_As** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 3:55 pm

Originally posted by agentbeast
In the begining there was nothing but ar highly compressed thing about the size of an atom maybe even smaller. Then Kaboom (The Big Bang) And all the matter and stuff that was so compressed started expanding. And it will keep expanding untill it runs out of energy, then it will all come crashing back in. Take a Cosmetology class.

General_Jack_As · Post by **General_Jack_As** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 3:56 pm

oops repost. Sorry my bad.

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 5:49 pm

Originally posted by General_Jack_As

Like I said though, this is only the most recent theory. However alot of the current information seems to be pointing in this direction.

Edit: and don't take a cosmetology class unless you want to cut hair for a living.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 6:25 pm

Singularities are cool......

So the biggest questions is.........

Will the Universe stop expanding..and one day contract upon itself to form another Singularity? And once again repeat the process?

Or is there even enough mass to do so... agentbeast already hit on the subject of "dark matter"...

So far, no one can account for enough matter to halt the expansion.....

If so......it expands forever......now lets talk infinite...

teaaememy · Post by **teaaememy** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 6:27 pm

Originally posted by 64bit
although........energy has to have a source so something had to have "created" the building blocks of the universe but then something had to create whatever "created" the building blocks but then something had to "create" whatever "created" that

This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was, and they'll continue singing it forever just because...This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was, and they'll continue singing it forever just because...This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was, and they'll continue singing it forever just because...This is the song that never ends....

TonyT · Post by **TonyT** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 6:36 pm

Where did this thing come from? Not being a smart ass just asking the obvious???

This universe is a trap and an illusion.

Yes, it does exist, but only to the degree that you agree with it.

YOU created this universe and continually create it ever milisecond of every minute of every hour of every day. You do this by LOOKING.

In the beginning and forver is the decision and the decision is to be. There is no such thing as the past or future, they exist ONLY in your mind. There is only now, now, now, now, now and so on and so on.

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 6:46 pm

Originally posted by downhill
Singularities are cool......

So the biggest questions is.........

Will the Universe stop expanding..and one day contract upon itself to form another Singularity? And once again repeat the process?

Or is there even enough mass to do so... agentbeast already hit on the subject of "dark matter"...

So far, no one can account for enough matter to halt the expansion.....

If so......it expands forever......now lets talk infinite...

It's a work in progress..But I think that it will not expand forever..it will come back compress agian than explode agian..I am guessing that this already happen for god knows how long.

Nothing can not be thought of.

and if infinite is true than I have already post this.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 6:49 pm

Originally posted by jeremyboycool
It's a work in progress..But I think that it will not expand forever..it will come back compress agian than explode agian..I am guessing that this already happen for god knows how long.

Nothing can not be thought of.

and if infinite is true than I have already post this.

Agreed. I think in time....enough dark matter will have been accounted for.

After all....this is life after death we are talking about.

So if time is measured from the point of the big bang......

Will time flow backwards when the Universe starts collapsing?

Will you go once again from death to birth? Strange concept...and one hit upon on occasion here before....

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 6:51 pm

Originally posted by TonyT
This universe is a trap and an illusion.

Yes, it does exist, but only to the degree that you agree with it.

YOU created this universe and continually create it ever milisecond of every minute of every hour of every day. You do this by LOOKING.

In the beginning and forver is the decision and the decision is to be. There is no such thing as the past or future, they exist ONLY in your mind. There is only now, now, now, now, now and so on and so on.

In one aspect yes..in another no.

TonyT · Post by **TonyT** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 6:57 pm

Yes, it does exist, but only to the degree that you agree with it.

The Matrix is not too far from the truth. Why do you thing you saw it so many times!

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 7:24 pm

Originally posted by downhill
Agreed. I think in time....enough dark matter will have been accounted for.

After all....this is life after death we are talking about.

So if time is measured from the point of the big bang......

Will time flow backwards when the Universe starts collapsing?

Will you go once again from death to birth? Strange concept...and one hit upon on occasion here before....

Time is hard to think..it is a concept made by man for the the sole purpose of understanding the flow of events...in otherwords I have no idea.

vc_wannabe · Post by **vc_wannabe** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 7:43 pm

Originally posted by agentbeast
Then Kaboom (The Big Bang) And all the matter and stuff that was so compressed started expanding. And it will keep expanding untill it runs out of energy, then it will all come crashing back in. Take an Cosmology class.

Kinda like a nuke goin off? rushes out, then when the power starts to lack it sucks back in..?

64bit · Post by **64bit** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 7:47 pm

Originally posted by TonyT
This universe is a trap and an illusion.

Yes, it does exist, but only to the degree that you agree with it.

YOU created this universe and continually create it ever milisecond of every minute of every hour of every day. You do this by LOOKING.

In the beginning and forver is the decision and the decision is to be. There is no such thing as the past or future, they exist ONLY in your mind. There is only now, now, now, now, now and so on and so on.

Thats a interesting viewpoint. I like it.

Brandon_k_W · Post by **Brandon_k_W** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 7:51 pm

Originally posted by agentbeast
In the begining there was nothing but ar highly compressed thing about the size of an atom maybe even smaller. Then Kaboom (The Big Bang) And all the matter and stuff that was so compressed started expanding. And it will keep expanding untill it runs out of energy, then it will all come crashing back in. Take an Cosmology class.

What was surrounding this compressed atom though? All black space? Infinite space could exist then; but where did this atom start out at?

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 8:10 pm

Originally posted by Brandon_k_W
What was surrounding this compressed atom though? All black space? Infinite space could exist then; but where did this atom start out at?

Infinite space is a concept reserved for the Universe...as nothing exits beyond it....

And it wasn't an atom but a singularity...

I suppose you could go to Genesis for your answer though....Book one.....Chapter one...verse one...and up..

Indy · Post by **Indy** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 11:16 pm

Originally posted by downhill
Will time flow backwards when the Universe starts collapsing?

Who's to say that the universe will collapse in the future? What happens if the energy expended by the universe gives out before gravity starts reasserting itself and pulling everything back? What if there was enough 'kick' from the big bang to never allow the universe to fall back in on itself? Of course, if the universe turns out to be somewhat spherical (akin to the earth being round/flat argument centuries ago), then the dead matter will eventually fall back in on itself anyways...

Hopeful · Post by **Hopeful** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 11:20 pm

Originally posted by sitosterol
If we can't comprehend it, doesn't mean it is or isn't there.

edit: I Re-read the Thread topic; it is infinite as far as we can comprehend? Like a globe perhaps.

my thoughts exactly

mwkirchner · Post by **mwkirchner** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 11:20 pm

Originally posted by Brandon_k_W
What IS nothing?

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 11:29 pm

I thought about this one day.
How was everything made i mean something has to make something i mean there never could have been nothing because theres still gonna be blank space which is soemthing. How was the world made, i belive in jesus and stuff but who made god i mean i know hes been around for ever but everything has to start at one time it cant have been for ever it has to have started. How was god started something had to make him and something had to make that and so on. It hurts to think about it.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 11:30 pm

Originally posted by Indy
Who's to say that the universe will collapse in the future? What happens if the energy expended by the universe gives out before gravity starts reasserting itself and pulling everything back? What if there was enough 'kick' from the big bang to never allow the universe to fall back in on itself? Of course, if the universe turns out to be somewhat spherical (akin to the earth being round/flat argument centuries ago), then the dead matter will eventually fall back in on itself anyways...

Read other post....

No one's to say it will or won't. It depends on how much dark matter there is. Enough of it, and it collaspes....not enough...and it expands till you could have two particles attracted to each other over an area the size of the Milky Way..

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 11:39 pm

Originally posted by Chillinhh
I thought about this one day.
How was everything made i mean something has to make something i mean there never could have been nothing because theres still gonna be blank space which is soemthing. How was the world made, i belive in jesus and stuff but who made god i mean i know hes been around for ever but everything has to start at one time it cant have been for ever it has to have started. How was god started something had to make him and something had to make that and so on. It hurts to think about it.

your thinking 3d--push it a little futher--not everything is bound by our rules like time.

Indy · Post by **Indy** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 11:40 pm

Originally posted by downhill
Read other post....

No one's to say it will or won't. It depends on how much dark matter there is. Enough of it, and it collaspes....not enough...and it expands till you could have two particles attracted to each other over an area the size of the Milky Way..

lol, I remember when I was younger lying in bed thinking of such things, and feeling my head hurt trying to comprehend the enormity and complexity of something that was infinite.

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