LOL, When will U Americans Learn?

Blitz · Post by **Blitz** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 6:17 pm

Geez, this is insane.
Another School shooting in the San Diego area..

When will u guys realize that guns should not be allowed in citizens hands? Just take away the damn 2nd ammendment, and make the laws extremely tight for any ordinary person in able to purchase a gun.

Like I said in a previous post when the shooting occurred in Santee, CA, Canada has just as many crazy people pct. wise, its just that they don't have access to guns like u guys do down in the states...

Hope those two victims heal up quick......

Oh ya, it said the school has a pop. of 3000! Damn, thas big for standards in my city, my highschool has 1200, which is huge compared to my old private highschool, which only had 200!!

bug · Post by **bug** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 6:21 pm

forget about the school shooting in Taber, Alberta laster year?
http://canadanews.about.com/aboutcanada/canadanews/library/weekly/aa112200a.htm

Blitz · Post by **Blitz** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 6:23 pm

Yes, I do remember.
But that was just one.
How many school shootings have occurred in the States since Columbine?

Plus, I'm just stating that the U.S as a whole needs to cut down on crime, not only school shootings....

sito · Post by **sito** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 6:43 pm

These little bastards are lucky I'm not in power

.This thread is gonna get ugly, I can see it comin. School killings have been set as the " if you not happy with your peers, get a gun and go to school, and shoot 'em up" which was brought to us by our friends, the media. The media has no concience.

[ 03-22-2001: Message edited by: sitosterol ]

JC · Post by JC » Thu Mar 22, 2001 6:48 pm

No offense to anyone. But the last thing we need to do is take advice, or be like canada. Tighter restrictions on gun laws in this country would do nothing but make it worse!

Cornbread · Post by **Cornbread** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 6:50 pm

its all about "MONEY", thats why nothing will ever be done about it. the government just dont care.

JC · Post by JC » Thu Mar 22, 2001 6:58 pm

This will tell all

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a FREE state The Right of the to keep and bear arms, Shall not be infringed.
Amendment II.

syncmaster · Post by **syncmaster** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 7:02 pm

Originally posted by cornbread:
its all about "MONEY", thats why nothing will ever be done about it. the government just dont care.

I do not need more hostile words at my face..
But i will say the big trouth ..

America is bigets gun dealers word wide .
Europe and all others countrys because they use the american guns they called terorists in the american evening TV News .

Now that the problem gets more and more internal , finaly you , all the americans will waik up and see that the american goverment does not have angels ...

And also in the next american elections remember my voice and do not hold this paper made, litle partys flags or the other funny hats .

Just make your choice based in who is the best to keep the peace in this poor planet .

[ 03-22-2001: Message edited by: syncmaster ]

minir · Post by **minir** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 7:42 pm

Hi Blitz

as a fellow Canadian, i must take issue with your statement. it was just this past week a shooting took place in Toronto .

we are no better off here, than in the USA, as far as killings go. almost nightly on the Toronto news you have a report

on another shooting in that city, or elsewhere. these have absolutely nothing to do with gun control. the majority of

these killings are gang related, or some sick sob decides to do a little mayhem on his peers. gun control will not

now, or ever, stop a determined person from committing an act of violence on another, or other's.

people keep saying how much better things are here in Canada. "B.S."

it is getting just as bad here, as there, in gang related violence. the numbers are lower due to many factors,

however that does not have anything to do with Gun Control.

anyone here who wants a gun, can get one in an hour. to not believe that, is burying your head in the sand. it's a straight fact.

if you wish to get rid of the violence, get rid of the heavy drugs that are pouring into our countries at an alarming rate.

not only is it increasing in volume, but the quality is getting better and the prices lower. fact

with drugs , comes gangs, which then have the money to purchase any weapon they wish. the vast majority illegally

brought in to both countries from all over the world. the streets are full of them as well.

get hard on your judicial system, with their lenient sentences, and early paroles and laughable child laws, plea

bargains and no capital punishment if you wish to stop crime and the attendant killings.

do not force more do little laws on the honest citizen. there are enough there now, enforcement and punishment to suit the crime is what's required imho.

We should all be saddened and sickened for the loss of innocent lives, and demand more from the courts, where in my opinion the real troubles lay.

let us not get into a stupid, We are Better than You argument, over something so serious, based on facts not

supported in any way by the reality of the situation..

regards

minir

colour · Post by **colour** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 7:48 pm

ok that now weve solved the worlds problems lets onto something else.

mikemean · Post by **mikemean** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 7:56 pm

I agree... bring in the public humiliation.

striderf1 · Post by **striderf1** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 8:04 pm

you canadian idiots! seriously, stop trying to run our country, if you don't like what we do just stay out of here. its our problem, let us deal with it.

sito · Post by **sito** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 8:06 pm

Saudi Arabia knows how to deal with it's criminals real good. I like their style.

FunK · Post by **FunK** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 8:09 pm

"Just make your choice based in who is the best to keep the peace in this poor planet ."

So our president has the power to stop school shootings and bring total peace to the world?

As stated in the last post about this kind of thing. ANYONE can go to their local city and buy a handgun for almost nothing.

Gun Control is an oximoron.
Nothing more.

All it does is keep LAW ABIDING citizens from getting their new deer / turkey gun for a few weeks.
Anyone that wants a gun for anything else can get one faster than they can buy a car.

64bit · Post by **64bit** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 8:11 pm

The worst part of this whole mess that I saw (besides the miscreant that did the deed of course) was the media. I was watching both CNN and FOX and they were showing the parents arriving and all they were doing was shoving cameras in the faces of these obviously distraught people saying "what's wrong" and "tell us how You feel".

I didn't need to see that to get the "full story" and I sure as hell don't think the distraught parents or guadians needed some dipsh1t with a camera asking them how they feel. It's sickining what the mainstream media had degenerated to.

Gardenfan · Post by **Gardenfan** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 8:16 pm

The reason that Canada doesn't have as many shoootings is as simple as population. Canada's entire population is about the size of New York. Simple math. And all gun control does is punish law abiding citizens.

minir · Post by **minir** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 8:17 pm

Well striderf1

I hope you feel better after that mouthful.

"Quote by
"striderf1

you canadian idiots! seriously, stop trying to run our country, if you don't like what we do just stay out of here. its our problem, let us deal with it. "

i however take extreme offense to your remarks.

had you actually taken the time to read my post, then you might have come to the

conclusion that it was not aimed at the US in
anyway, but rather an indictment of the systems in both countries.

furthermore i disagreed with my Canadian friend on the very subject.we as Canadians

suffer the same problems contrary to Blitz's belief, inmho.

might i suggest you act with a little courtesy in these matters. being civil costs nothing.

minir

Heaven_No · Post by **Heaven_No** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 8:24 pm

minir,

I am sure you were not the target of strider's tirade.

There in lies the danger of starting threads based on ridicule and generalization.

syncmaster · Post by **syncmaster** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 8:26 pm

Originally posted by sitosterol:
Saudi Arabia knows how to deal with it's criminals real good. I like their style.

I really believe that you have right on that my friend .
Its hard system , but it works 100% .

It helps to keep out, your negative feelings

fanta · Post by **fanta** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 8:28 pm

Originally posted by Heaven_No:
minir,

I am sure you were not the target of strider's tirade.

There in lies the danger of starting threads based on ridicule and generalization.

Yeah seems like whenever something bad happens in the US...theres always a mockery post of it.
Don't get me wrong though Blitz and others (?) your all still cool in my book.

fanta · Post by **fanta** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 8:29 pm

Originally posted by sitosterol:
Saudi Arabia knows how to deal with it's criminals real good. I like their style.

Yeah but I have yet to meet a single person who would want to live there.

syncmaster · Post by **syncmaster** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 8:31 pm

Originally posted by fanta:
Yeah but I have yet to meet a single person who would want to live there.

Bump!!
You must have a lot criminals as friends

Heaven_No · Post by **Heaven_No** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 8:35 pm

Originally posted by syncmaster:
Bump!!
You must have a lot criminals as friends

No crime in Saudi Arabia? Ask the Omanis and Yemenites.

fanta · Post by **fanta** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 8:35 pm

Originally posted by syncmaster:
Bump!!
You must have a lot criminals as friends

Nope...no criminal friends.
They aren't exactly angels either

striderf1 · Post by **striderf1** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 8:46 pm

Originally posted by minir:
Well striderf1

I hope you feel better after that mouthful.

"Quote by
"striderf1

you canadian idiots! seriously, stop trying to run our country, if you don't like what we do just stay out of here. its our problem, let us deal with it. "

i however take extreme offense to your remarks.

had you actually taken the time to read my post, then you might have come to the

conclusion that it was not aimed at the US in
anyway, but rather an indictment of the systems in both countries.

furthermore i disagreed with my Canadian friend on the very subject.we as Canadians

suffer the same problems contrary to Blitz's belief, inmho.

might i suggest you act with a little courtesy in these matters. being civil costs nothing.

minir

I APOLOGIZE SINCERELY MINIR!!!! You oviously didn't start this thread and I should have been more specific. Your an extremely intellegent person who doesn't make harsh remarks and I am sorry that one of my remarks spilled over into your catagory, it was not inteneded towards you at all. sory

striderf1 · Post by **striderf1** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 8:50 pm

sory canadians, I just got a little hot headed for a second. its just that no country is perfect, and with the U.S. have such a gargantuan population, and with the vicous blood thirsy media feeding everyone violence 24 hours a day 7 days a week for our whole lives, its not so much in the kids hands as it is in the adults hands. but I still think gun control is not the answer.

and minir, I'm sory again, but I actually agree with you that drugs are a huge part of violence. so is alcohol. oviously alcohol won't be banned, but it will serve the country a good deed if we could get the drugs out of here.

Blitz · Post by **Blitz** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 10:15 pm

Alright

Look, I never intended to put down the States or anything. States is a great place, and I want to live there when I grow up. I just don't understand why u guys need guns?
Its been more than 200 years since your constituition was made, and maybe 200 years ago u need guns to stay alive, but now u don't.

Thats the one thing I don't get about the U.S, is the 2nd ammendment. If u give me a good reason why u guys need guns, then I'm cool with it

Also, some of u say that Canada has fewer crimes cuz we're 10 times smaller....true, but I also said "PCT" wise...not numbers, but ratio/pct..

And Minir, u are right to a certain extent, in that Canada does have problems and many Canadians think we're so safe and peaceful while we are not.

and even though the problem is getting worse, we are still far better of than the States...I go to the states quite frequently have a lot of friends down south, and they tell me how they gotta stay off the streets after dark, all the drugs that are in highschools, etc.

I hope I didn't offend any Americans in this post, I just feel that U.S is sometimes very narrow minded and is not willing to listen to other country's methods/ideas.....

Scorpionx · Post by **Scorpionx** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 10:34 pm

Originally posted by Blitz:

Thats the one thing I don't get about the U.S, is the 2nd ammendment. If u give me a good reason why u guys need guns, then I'm cool with it

Because we needed to keep the british from taking over. Atleast, thats why that ammendment was written... that was a long time ago though.

Gardenfan · Post by **Gardenfan** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 10:51 pm

I own guns because I want to. I like to hunt, and I like to go to ranges and shoot. That is a good enough reason for me.

dreww71 · Post by **dreww71** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 11:02 pm

I thought the 2nd ammendment was written that way so cowboys could shoot people who were stealing their horses. You guys got to update that law.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 11:41 pm

I too agree that our (US) government is closed minded at times. They need to open their minds, look at other countries and see the way they do things, then look at statics, at the least be an Informed government! heh

Also the media here in the US is all whacked and crazy. Totallly messed up, they make it all out of proportion. it's messed up

I don't know why there is always this Canada vs. US thing really, I mean we are VARY close in our ways and stuff, it's riduculous, what makes them so different? ask yourselfs that.... why can't we all just get along?

Todays peer preasure and "being cool" and "looking cool" in front of your friends is totally blown outta proportion, it's so evil

anyways, about guns, I think the 2nd amendment is more of a principle of the thing, but really both, it's meant to show that we as Americans have FREEDOMS that the British didn't have, it was a way to ensure to us AMericans that we would be free from the oppresion of the British government, the right to bare arms is an increadible freedom, having the power of easy life or death in your hands, and back then it was used right, it was only used to protect, it's only recently that it's been used for gang violence and crap, well i mean i'm sure they did some back then too but not as bad as today, locking down guns isn't the asnwer though....

colour · Post by **colour** » Thu Mar 22, 2001 11:48 pm

blitz you think the majority of the people your friends down south are hiding from bought their guns from stores?

[ 03-22-2001: Message edited by: colour ]

Chris · Post by **Chris** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 12:26 am

I do take exteme insult to the Canadian IDIOTS comment, but Miner said it so i'll leave that one alone. The main problem is a blood thirsty civilization. Even here in Canada. I remember a few years back in the opening days of the bombing campaign AKA: Desert Storm, remember that little ditty. We all, and i mean all sat there and watched hour after hour of footage of little cameras mounted on the nose of guided missles and we watched with antisipation as the missles found their target within meters. What, did we all expect to see blood? CNN was just the messenger. Blame the media all you want but it is US who sit and watch it. Lay the blame where it belongs.

gmcd33 · Post by **gmcd33** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 1:57 am

Then last person who wanted to remove guns from the citizens hands was ADOLF HITLER.

The second amendment is there for a reason. To rebell against the Government if need be. Remember the frame of mind of the founding fathers who wrote the constitution. The first 10 amendments are there to protect US from the Government.

This country need parenting, and love. However there need to be fear as well. We live in a day and age where schools wont fail students for fear that their feelings may be hurt and that would cause low self esteem. What do you expect. Kids can do anything they want these days because psychologits tell us that ANY behavior is normal.

Enough with this BS. If kids respected eachother, the most of all themselves these things wouldnt happen. How can a kid have self respect when there is no dicipline? Kids need rules and punishments. We are too buys worying about how the punishment may make him/her feel than actually caring enough about our kids to punish them.

Guns were around in the 50's and there were no school shootings. Know why? There was respect then. Kids respected themselves, and FEARED their parents. Now kids sue there parents and are comforted by sissy councelers in schools who go after parents who actually dicipline their kids.

The whole school system and society is ass backwords. Cut the BS compassion and replace it with rules, penaltys, and respect and this crap will stop.

Taking guns away is NOT the answer. What about bombs? Just recently kids tryed to blow up the school with a bomb. Knives, hell we all have them in out kitchen. If you want to kill someone, you will. Gun or no gun. Guns get labeled bad by people who dont understand them.

I think it was Thomas Jefferson who said "he who gives up personal freedom in the name of safety, deserves none"

The founding fathers werent perfect, but they wernt stupid. If the people dont have guns it VERY easy for the Government to get out of hand.

And in closing, if you dont think what happened in Nazi Germany couldnt happen in the US than your crazy.

minir · Post by **minir** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 2:02 am

Hi striderf1

first off apology accepted, Thank You!

no harm done.

i do not believe anyone is out to tell you how to run your country, but we are tied at the waist in most matters.

here in Canada we are overwhelmed by the USA culture. movie's , TV, newsprint & the news

it is rare, except in border communities, that the Canadian news spill's into the US. we here however get your's daily.

the sitcom's etc. so dominated by American content draws people to the tv's and in so doing quite often people watch American news.

so for the most part, we as a nation are far more knowledgable of your country, than you of our's

ever since the media became a revenue producing entity, it has gone down hill. the newscasters

rather than just reporting the news, have become media darlings, and in my opinion now shape the news.

this is not a good thing for objective journalism. CNN is now the 24/7 ambulance of world news.

wherever there is a sensationalistic event, they are there. this gives a very jaundiced view of things to be sure.

the whole news machine is a bloated. repetitive, self involved, piece of machinery, holding too

many personal statements, and jaundiced point's of view, to be held as a believable source anymore.

i now rarely watch the news any longer & feel better for it. ask yourself this.

when was the last time you were presented with a feel good story on the news' & how often do you walk away , feeling good about having watched.

neither country is perfect, and we can all learn from others, both good and bad. we

both have our problems, some related some not.it is easy to ridicule, it is far more difficult to learn to respect.

anyhow i for one, feel grateful to be a neighbor of the USA, and would rather celebrate our good point's, than to pick over our differences.

keep in mind always, we have the longest unguarded border in the world, and no one is shooting at each other.

then look at the rest of the world & sleep well.

regards larry

waferdog · Post by **waferdog** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 2:30 am

I just wanted to add my favorite Benjamin Franklin quote as I believe it is apropos to the subject at hand:

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

Waferdog

SeedOfChaos · Post by **SeedOfChaos** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 1:00 pm

Originally posted by dreww71:
gmcd33, Hitler and also the rest of the developed world don't allow everyone the right to own hand guns, automatic weapons,etc... yet the last time I looked they all had stable democratic governments.

Thanks for pointing this out dreww, I felt a VERY strong urge to flame gmcd33 for that remark, it displays utter ignorance for the rest of the world. However, I will refrain from that... there's nothing to be gained.

To quote George Carlin... "symbols to the symbol-minded....."

ExarKun · Post by **ExarKun** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 2:25 pm

Firearms are inanimate objects they are nothing more than composites and metal crafted together, it is Physical Impossible For A firearm to discharge without some form of user intervention, So wouldn’t it be better to ban people who have the ability to use firearms, then picking on a device that cannot harm anything without user intervention?

Come on guys we all don’t have to Republican, Democrats, Nazis, and Communists here.

We can own a Weapon responsibly and everything will be ok, have fun, and kill only if you must. Well the Guy at the Drive through had it coming. Oh forget it long story.

See Ya

dreww71 · Post by **dreww71** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 4:20 pm

Originally posted by Roody:
well to throw my own 2 cents into the mix, i believe removing guns from civilians is a reactive and not a proactive move. Guns arent the problem. Its the people using them that are the issue. If people are taught common sense and learn proper ways to handle themselves with guns then issues become rare.

Roody, most people who own guns know how to use them, that's the problem. Not all killings are gang shoot-em-up killings or sensational school shootings but domestic occurances that quickly get out of hand. Obviously, this is a no win argument in the US because guns are pretty much part of your culture, and there is a very powerful gun lobby. Funny thing is though, you ask people to register their pets, they say ok, but ask them to register their weapons and all hell breaks loose.

I think just saying that people are the problem is a mistake. The evidence is overwhelming that if you reduce the numbers of weapons, violent deaths decline.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 4:36 pm

Originally posted by dreww71:
Roody, most people who own guns know how to use them, that's the problem. Not all killings are gang shoot-em-up killings or sensational school shootings but domestic occurances that quickly get out of hand. Obviously, this is a no win argument in the US because guns are pretty much part of your culture, and there is a very powerful gun lobby. Funny thing is though, you ask people to register their pets, they say ok, but ask them to register their weapons and all hell breaks loose.

I think just saying that people are the problem is a mistake. The evidence is overwhelming that if you reduce the numbers of weapons, violent deaths decline.

I understand your point on that issue Dreww, but my thinking is that if adults, kids whoever are taught safety in regards to those issues and understand a gun is a dangerous thing then that will at least help with lowering the rate of deaths by guns. unfortunately, alot of situations even ones at home can be avoided by taking proper precautinary measures. ultimately its people that have to pull the trigger. yes a gun in itself can kill, but it needs someone to pull the trigger to cause damage. Train people the proper way to go about this and you might be able to at least minimize the situation .