webpage loading slow?

NIVO · Post by **NIVO** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 4:10 am

sorry guys, i don't know where else to post this,so i'm sking some of you here....

my favorite car forum is http://www.z31.com

i never had problems with going into the site using my webtv, but when i use my computer it's slow getting the page to come up and every page after....

sometimes it takes up to 2 minutes!

others have had the same problems....i have been told to clear my cookies and history...etc...nothing has really worked so far.

my computer has been optimized by using the tips in the tweaking forum.

i have a 1500/128 charter cable connection.

windows XP
IE6

any help?

maybe its their site? but my webtv always loads the site super fast!

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 6:57 am

I don't know why or what is causing this, but you are not alone. It's got something to do with IE 6. I've complained about it and so have many others on many other forums. It's a problem that cropped up about 8 weeks ago. I'm wondering if it's not one of the critical updates that messed things up. Sorry I don't have an answer for you that will help.

What I've done and a few others is to download and use Mozilla 1.4 for the time being. http://www.mozilla.org It is very fast. At the very least, it'll at least let you know if it's just IE 6 or if something more is going on with your computer. Might want to give it a shot and see for yourself.

You may want to read the thread below. It's from a couple of us here that are having problems too:
http://forums.speedguide.net/showthread ... did=118526

TonyT · Post by **TonyT** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:26 am

;oads real fast for me.

probably they have overloaded server.

next time it's slow, do a tracert and see exactly where trhe slow comes from.

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:53 am

My tracert and pings all came up perfectly normal. This is why I'm stumped. It truly acts like packets are getting lost in a black hole somewhere but nothing shows up in the tracerts or pings.

The past 2 days, this thing has been acting normal again. Something is going on but what it is eludes me.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 9:51 am

About 4 seconds to load here.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 10:09 am

Came up fine for me, a whisker slow but probably hosted on a sluggish webserver. But literally just a second delay or so compared to most high bandwidth sites. I'm using Win2K and the latest IE 6 with all updates.

NIVO · Post by **NIVO** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 5:33 pm

ok guys, i did a tracert z31.com

by number 13 it says timed out?

how do i copy and paste my tracert results?

BTW, this has been since day one i got my computer.

but it loads fast on webtv...strange!

NIVO · Post by **NIVO** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 5:35 pm

ok just found out how to do it....

Tracing route to z31.com [198.67.13.170]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 6 ms 7 ms 7 ms 10.83.96.1
2 9 ms 7 ms 7 ms 66.189.0.65
3 9 ms 9 ms 9 ms oxf-swtch01.ma.charter.com [66.189.0.2]
4 9 ms 9 ms 8 ms 66.189.0.230
5 10 ms 9 ms 10 ms 12.125.39.13
6 11 ms 10 ms 9 ms gbr2-p70.cb1ma.ip.att.net [12.123.40.102]
7 11 ms 13 ms 12 ms tbr1-p013701.cb1ma.ip.att.net [12.122.11.197]
8 17 ms 16 ms 15 ms tbr2-p013701.n54ny.ip.att.net [12.122.10.22]
9 21 ms 19 ms 19 ms tbr1-p013701.wswdc.ip.att.net [12.122.10.18]
10 35 ms 33 ms 34 ms tbr1-p013801.attga.ip.att.net [12.122.10.70]
11 33 ms 33 ms 34 ms gbr6-p20.attga.ip.att.net [12.122.12.26]
12 32 ms 33 ms 33 ms gar2-p370.attga.ip.att.net [12.123.21.77]
13 * * * Request timed out.
14 33 ms 33 ms 33 ms border3.ge3-0-bbnet2.acs.pnap.net [64.94.0.71]
15 58 ms 66 ms 59 ms api-1.border3.acs.pnap.net [64.94.6.98]
16 59 ms 60 ms 59 ms hsvcore.apid.com [63.238.52.254]

second tracert

Tracing route to z31.com [198.67.13.170]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 7 ms 10 ms 7 ms 10.83.96.1
2 8 ms 9 ms 7 ms 66.189.0.65
3 8 ms 7 ms 11 ms oxf-swtch01.ma.charter.com [66.189.0.2]
4 8 ms 10 ms 9 ms 66.189.0.230
5 9 ms 9 ms 14 ms 12.125.39.13
6 10 ms 10 ms 9 ms gbr2-p70.cb1ma.ip.att.net [12.123.40.102]
7 13 ms 10 ms 12 ms tbr1-p013701.cb1ma.ip.att.net [12.122.11.197]
8 17 ms 16 ms 15 ms tbr2-p013701.n54ny.ip.att.net [12.122.10.22]
9 20 ms 19 ms 20 ms tbr1-p013701.wswdc.ip.att.net [12.122.10.18]
10 34 ms 33 ms 33 ms tbr1-p013801.attga.ip.att.net [12.122.10.70]
11 32 ms 33 ms 34 ms gbr6-p20.attga.ip.att.net [12.122.12.26]
12 34 ms 34 ms 33 ms gar2-p370.attga.ip.att.net [12.123.21.77]
13 * * * Request timed out.
14 34 ms 33 ms 34 ms border3.ge3-0-bbnet2.acs.pnap.net [64.94.0.71]
15 67 ms 61 ms 58 ms api-1.border3.acs.pnap.net [64.94.6.98]
16 61 ms 58 ms 62 ms hsvcore.apid.com [63.238.52.254]

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 8:27 am

Hop 13 may or may not be the problem, but I'm thinking it is. Nothing you can do about it except wait until the problem is resolved.

jmatt · Post by **jmatt** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 10:05 am

Try this 1st . ( It may not apply )
Slow IE .
4) Better Than Rogaine
http://www.langa.com/newsletters/2003/2003-04-28.htm
Start > Find > Files or folders , type into the top space > Hosts (no extension, just Hosts . Make sure you are in C drive ) & press Enter .
You may have 2 hosts files , 1 is a sample ( SAM ) file .
The other is associated to this >
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.zip
http://technoerotica.net/mylog/hostfile.html
SpyBot have a Host file list .
http://beam.to/spybotsd

If you would like to completely disable your Hosts file, rename it to "Hosts.txt". When you want to use it again, change it
back to "Hosts".
http://www.accs-net.com/hosts/how_to_use_hosts.html

-----------------------------------

http://www.tweakxp.com/tweakxp/display.asp?id=958

Another way to fix IE6 slow page load with XP .

NIVO · Post by **NIVO** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 3:44 am

"If you would like to completely disable your Hosts file, rename it to "Hosts.txt". When you want to use it again, change it
back to "Hosts"

I tried to change it back to "HOSTS" but it still says Text document on it.

NIVO · Post by **NIVO** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:15 am

ok, now i have another problem i noticed...just tried going into another one of my forums and it says

"The page cannot be displayed
The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings. "

i was able to go into it before!!!

hmm...

http://www.boston-motorsports.com

funny thing is that i just verified from another forum member there that the site is still up!

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 11:49 am

If your running a NT system then you can give this a try. Get into command line and type "ipconfig /flushdns" then press enter.

NIVO · Post by **NIVO** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 1:10 pm

Originally posted by Sid
If your running a NT system then you can give this a try. Get into command line and type "ipconfig /flushdns" then press enter.

Windows XP home?

NT based?

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 3:11 pm

Originally posted by NIVO
Windows XP home?

NT based?

NIVO · Post by **NIVO** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 3:54 pm

i tried the ipconfig /flushdns and it didn't work, also tried the HOST file thing, no work either...also tried the MOZILLA 1.4...the z31.com site is still the same, and boston-motorsports.com still doesn't come up for me.

i'm stumped!

jmatt · Post by **jmatt** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 6:09 pm

Try this .

http://www.fsm.nl/ward/
Spider finds hidden Url's that other mean's don't .
Cleans >
1 . Hidden Url's .
2 . Temporary Internet Files .
3 . History Files .
4 . Cookies .
Click on Spider , not Spider Bite .

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 7:58 pm

can you ping the IP?

NIVO · Post by **NIVO** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 9:54 pm

SID, how do i ping the site?

jmatt, i did the spider program... and still got my nice page:

thankz for the help guys!....
__________________________________________________
The page cannot be displayed
The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Please try the following:

Click the Refresh button, or try again later.

If you typed the page address in the Address bar, make sure that it is spelled correctly.

To check your connection settings, click the Tools menu, and then click Internet Options. On the Connections tab, click Settings. The settings should match those provided by your local area network (LAN) administrator or Internet service provider (ISP).
If your Network Administrator has enabled it, Microsoft Windows can examine your network and automatically discover network connection settings.
If you would like Windows to try and discover them,
click Detect Network Settings
Some sites require 128-bit connection security. Click the Help menu and then click About Internet Explorer to determine what strength security you have installed.
If you are trying to reach a secure site, make sure your Security settings can support it. Click the Tools menu, and then click Internet Options. On the Advanced tab, scroll to the Security section and check settings for SSL 2.0, SSL 3.0, TLS 1.0, PCT 1.0.
Click the Back button to try another link.

Cannot find server or DNS Error
Internet Explorer

NIVO · Post by **NIVO** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 9:58 pm

Originally posted by Sid
can you ping the IP?

ok SID, this is what i got...

Pinging z31.com [198.67.13.170] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 198.67.13.170: bytes=32 time=75ms TTL=237
Reply from 198.67.13.170: bytes=32 time=60ms TTL=237
Reply from 198.67.13.170: bytes=32 time=59ms TTL=237

what can i tell from this?

jmatt · Post by **jmatt** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 11:39 pm

http://www.more.net/technical/pingtrace.html
Ping in Windows
Ping is a diagnostic tool used to test connectivity. The ping command sends out a packet of information and records the response time from the destination. Usually the lower the time, the better. It does this four times.

Time in ms:

up to 200 is very good
200 to 500 is marginable
over 500 is unacceptable
an * is a total failure

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Tue Jul 22, 2003 12:38 am

Originally posted by NIVO
ok SID, this is what i got...

Pinging z31.com [198.67.13.170] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 198.67.13.170: bytes=32 time=75ms TTL=237
Reply from 198.67.13.170: bytes=32 time=60ms TTL=237
Reply from 198.67.13.170: bytes=32 time=59ms TTL=237

what can i tell from this?

Well it see's there server and its responding. I can't believe this is a browser problem because its done it on all that you have tried. have you tried to go to the ip directly?

http://198.67.13.170/

Have you tried another dns server in your configuration? Try adding say yahoo's dns and see if that helps, maybe your isp's dns is not working correctly. add this one to the front of the list and see what happens. 66.218.71.205

NIVO · Post by **NIVO** » Tue Jul 22, 2003 5:16 pm

Originally posted by Sid
Well it see's there server and its responding. I can't believe this is a browser problem because its done it on all that you have tried. have you tried to go to the ip directly?

http://198.67.13.170/

Have you tried another dns server in your configuration? Try adding say yahoo's dns and see if that helps, maybe your isp's dns is not working correctly. add this one to the front of the list and see what happens. 66.218.71.205

thankz jmatt for the info!

SID, i tried going into z31.com using it's IP addy...no go! it's still going into it the same speed. I timed it at 2 minutes and 34 seconds before the page popped up!

you mentioned something about the yahoo dns?

how do i do this?
network connections? or do i have to use my Broadcom suite thing?

thankz...guys

*edit*

when i go into the network connections and go into properties, do i go into tcp/ip>properties>DNS>ADD?

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Tue Jul 22, 2003 5:26 pm

NIVO what firewall are you using and what RWIN value are you using? Is your NIC duplex mode set properly?

NIVO · Post by **NIVO** » Tue Jul 22, 2003 5:41 pm

Originally posted by mnosteele52
NIVO what firewall are you using and what RWIN value are you using? Is your NIC duplex mode set properly?

i have McAffee Firewall Plus V4.5 API version 4.5.2.30

my RWIN is 64240- which gives me my fastest speed of 1425/125 of 1500/128.

i have the Duplex set at 10MB Half duplex

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Tue Jul 22, 2003 5:44 pm

OK your problem is very likely McAfee's firewall. All of their products are resource hogs and their firewall will slow your connection. I HIGHLY recommend uninstalling it and installing Sygate, you can try the Pro version for 30 days or just use the FREE one, in any case I guarantee you will be much happier all around getting rid of McAfee.

NIVO · Post by **NIVO** » Tue Jul 22, 2003 5:52 pm

Originally posted by mnosteele52
OK your problem is very likely McAfee's firewall. All of their products are resource hogs and their firewall will slow your connection. I HIGHLY recommend uninstalling it and installing Sygate, you can try the Pro version for 30 days or just use the FREE one, in any case I guarantee you will be much happier all around getting rid of McAfee.

Damn and i paid $39.99 for it!!! six months ago...

why would it be affecting one website, which happens to be my Favorite car site, since i own a Nissan 300ZX turbo!

another thing..when you mentioned it will slow my connection down, did you mean overall or downloads/uploads?

Thankz to all the tweaks on this site i don't have hang ups anymore and i haven't had any programs not responding for over a month now!

thankz you guys!!!!

NIVO · Post by **NIVO** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 12:29 pm

now this is bizarre!

another one of my frequently visited forums is not coming up!

http://www.srtforums.com

here is my ping results for srtfourms.com:

Pinging srtforums.com [63.162.108.124] with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

here it is for boston-motorsports.com:

Pinging boston-motorsports.com [63.251.213.13] with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

i'm lost now!, some of my most frequented sites are timed out?

*edit* just did a tracert on srtforums.com:

Tracing route to srtforums.com [63.162.108.124]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 8 ms 7 ms 6 ms 10.83.96.1
2 9 ms 7 ms 8 ms 66.189.0.65
3 8 ms 9 ms 10 ms oxf-swtch01.ma.charter.com [66.189.0.2]
4 8 ms 9 ms 9 ms 66.189.0.230
5 10 ms 10 ms 11 ms 12.125.39.13
6 11 ms 26 ms 11 ms gbr2-p70.cb1ma.ip.att.net [12.123.40.102]
7 13 ms 9 ms 11 ms tbr1-p013701.cb1ma.ip.att.net [12.122.11.197]
8 18 ms 17 ms 16 ms tbr2-p013701.n54ny.ip.att.net [12.122.10.22]
9 17 ms 15 ms 16 ms ggr1-p320.n54ny.ip.att.net [12.122.12.54]
10 16 ms 16 ms 15 ms sl-bb20-nyc-13-1.sprintlink.net [144.232.18.225]

11 15 ms 15 ms 15 ms sl-bb22-nyc-8-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.7.106]
12 36 ms 35 ms 36 ms sl-bb21-chi-9-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.9.149]
13 65 ms 76 ms 57 ms sl-bb21-fw-10-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.8.54]
14 56 ms 57 ms 55 ms sl-gw37-fw-10-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.11.250]

15 73 ms 73 ms 72 ms sl-ineto-1-0-0.sprintlink.net [160.81.60.58]
16 81 ms 80 ms 87 ms as11711.atm1-0-0-4-34.co.rt01.ixnm.net [63.170.2
8.146]
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * * * Request timed out.
19 * * * Request timed out.
20 * * * Request timed out.
21 * * * Request timed out.
22 * * * Request timed out.
23 * * * Request timed out.
24 * * * Request timed out.
25 *

NIVO · Post by **NIVO** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 2:38 pm

ok guys...with further inspection of my set up...i decided to look into the Firewall, and the 2 other sites(srtforums.com and boston-motorsports.com) were on my banned I.P. list.

i unbanned them and now they are working like they used to...now what i'm wondering is how did they get banned automatically?

another thing.....z31.com is still loading slow....it's I.P. is not in the banned list of sites.

at least i learned about the firewall thing.