hey qwijibo and other intel nuts.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Feb 20, 2002 3:46 pm

dual 1ghz 256k celerons = dual 256k p3 1ghz?

or is there another factor i am missing here?

the only thing they dont have is the sse sse2 instructions i think.

thanks

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Feb 20, 2002 4:51 pm

well i was gonna do this in weeks 1 cpu one week then the next then the mobo and then heatsinks,

but i just ordered 2 256 1ghz celerons, 2 coolermaster HSFs(only thing a coolermaster is good for is cooling celerons

except maybe teh new one downhill has) good for 1.4ghz athlons adn is intel compatable, and the 230T tiger dual mobo

gonna have 2 1.2ghz celerons i hope

aagiants · Post by **aagiants** » Wed Feb 20, 2002 6:01 pm

make sure u have the 256 kb cache, that is the tualatin version. They aint bad...

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Feb 20, 2002 6:08 pm

Originally posted by aagiants
make sure u have the 256 kb cache, that is the tualatin version. They aint bad...

yepp they are 256k

Qwijib0 · Post by **Qwijib0** » Wed Feb 20, 2002 6:39 pm

Yup. Identical, they are. they have sse, but not sse2--which wasn't introduced until p4, so you're missing nothing. [/B][/QUOTE]

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Feb 20, 2002 6:42 pm

cool they will be a nice addition to folding2.0

64bit · Post by **64bit** » Wed Feb 20, 2002 7:13 pm

Im pretty sure that the diffrence is that the celerys work off the 100fsb and the p3 @133.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Feb 20, 2002 7:16 pm

Originally posted by 64bit
Im pretty sure that the diffrence is that the celerys work off the 100fsb and the p3 @133.

i hope to hit 115-120fsb that is if the mobo allows it.

odog · Post by **odog** » Wed Feb 20, 2002 11:07 pm

are tualatin celerons even SMP enabled? i know the coppermine celerons were not SMP enabled.(i don't believe they would turn it on in the tualatin core)

Qwijib0 · Post by **Qwijib0** » Wed Feb 20, 2002 11:12 pm

Originally posted by odog
are tualatin celerons even SMP enabled? i know the coppermine celerons were not SMP enabled.(i don't believe they would turn it on in the tualatin core)

...not officially supported and not enabled are two separate things

odog · Post by **odog** » Thu Feb 21, 2002 7:36 am

i haven't been able to lock down any concrete info....

but from what i have read dual coppermine celerons or dual tualatin celerons will not work..... at least in a dual config.

hopefully someone else can dig up so better info

BaLa · Post by **BaLa** » Thu Feb 21, 2002 4:29 pm

we'll see what YoS says...

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Feb 21, 2002 4:48 pm

old pentium 3s are there for i assume these celeys are, they are mostlikely old p3s that got their name changed.

plus either way they fit in the socket and teh mobo supports dual cpus so thats all i really need lol

i expect it to work, it the taulatin celeron is in everyway an old p3, how will the mobo work it differently?

odog · Post by **odog** » Thu Feb 21, 2002 6:07 pm

plus either way they fit in the socket and teh mobo supports dual cpus so thats all i really need lol

just because it fits in the socket doesn't mean it'll work.... socket 370 is very diverse... going thru 3 different packages while maintaining the 370 pin out(PPGA, FCPGA, and FCPGA2) many motherboards that support FCPGA and FCPGA2 do not support PPGA. while still even more support PPGA and and don't support either FCPGA or FCPGA2.

just found the hard data... all celeron past the 533mhz PPGA celeron have their SMP circuitry complete disable/removed.

sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Feb 21, 2002 6:23 pm

Originally posted by odog
just because it fits in the socket doesn't mean it'll work.... socket 370 is very diverse... going thru 3 different packages while maintaining the 370 pin out(PPGA, FCPGA, and FCPGA2) many motherboards that support FCPGA and FCPGA2 do not support PPGA. while still even more support PPGA and and don't support either FCPGA or FCPGA2.

just found the hard data... all celeron past the 533mhz PPGA celeron have their SMP circuitry complete disable/removed.

sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

well if they dont work i'll send them back, buy p3s them

odog · Post by **odog** » Thu Feb 21, 2002 6:40 pm

why even buy them if you know they won't work?

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Feb 21, 2002 6:46 pm

Originally posted by odog
why even buy them if you know they won't work?

they are already bought and being shipped

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Feb 21, 2002 6:48 pm

actually can i cancel a newegg order before its shipped?

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 6:44 am

oh well i guess i'll try them out when they get here lol

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 10:02 am

well it does mention on mwave that the mobo uses celeron or pentium IIIs so i guess i could use 1 celeron?

this would be good cuz teh 512k P3s are pricey.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 4:27 pm

motherboard is here, mmmmmm always wanted a dual rig, so could i run a single celeron in sockect 0?

Qwijib0 · Post by **Qwijib0** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 4:30 pm

Should be able to... either it'll detect it automatically, or there's a jumper, but all of the dualies I've ever seen have no issue with it.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 4:36 pm

Originally posted by Qwijib0
Should be able to... either it'll detect it automatically, or there's a jumper, but all of the dualies I've ever seen have no issue with it.

now whats ur opinion on getting both celies to run on the mobo

Qwijib0 · Post by **Qwijib0** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 4:42 pm

what mobo?

what cellie? Coppermine or Tualatin...

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 4:45 pm

taulatin celerons, mobo is a tyan 230T

odog · Post by **odog** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 6:17 pm

a single cpu should be put in the zero socket....

the board should detect the celeron and "just work" , you shouldn't have to tweak anything.(you'll wanna tork the memory timings and FSB obviously)

Qwijib0, still thinks it'll work.... i thought we established he was wrong and that celerons don't work in SMP....

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 6:23 pm

Originally posted by odog
a single cpu should be put in the zero socket....

the board should detect the celeron and "just work" , you shouldn't have to tweak anything.(you'll wanna tork the memory timings and FSB obviously)

Qwijib0, still thinks it'll work.... i thought we established he was wrong and that celerons don't work in SMP....

i have read teh manual and ya it says single celeron. but can i trow the celerons out of spec and trick the mobo? also could this disabled smp just mean its not recomended or that they arent designed for dualling, oh well they'll be here next week so i'll finf out then!

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 6:24 pm

post a link to the hard data u have on the celerons smp being disabled pls

odog · Post by **odog** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 6:39 pm

also could this disabled smp just mean its not recommended or that they arent designed for dualling

the circuitry is physically disabled.... similar to what intel did with the 486sx, identical the 486dx but with it's math coprocessor disable, but still present in the die. also very akin to what intel did with the coppermine celerons, fluncted P3's that had hlaf their cache disabled and the bandwidth cut severely.

In any case, the dual Celeron legacy didn't migrate to the so-called Celeron II, as Intel decided they would remove the pins necessary for its operation—there's no hack or workaround for that, unforunately.

from this site

On the Intel front all Pentium IIIs should be SMP capable, as are all Mendocino Celerons (although Intel always said they weren't - seem to work fine in this here machine thanks). Sadly the new Coppermine Celerons are not dual capable.

from this site

just type dual coppermine celerons in at google.com

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 6:43 pm

i have tualatin celerons not coppermines

Qwijib0 · Post by **Qwijib0** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 6:44 pm

Yes, it was physically disabled in some, but the via chipset worked around that limitation, so it depends on the chipset AND mobo.

odog · Post by **odog** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 6:50 pm

Yes, it was physically disabled in some, but the via chipset worked around that limitation, so it depends on the chipset AND mobo.

wrong... no coppermine or tualatin celerons work in SMP no matter what mobo or what chipset... they are disable at the processor level, via the dual pins being cut between the pin out and the die.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 6:50 pm

wow, go via! lol

i cant remove teh heatsink on teh northbridge tho

the canned air trick did not work at all

Qwijib0 · Post by **Qwijib0** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 8:52 pm

Originally posted by odog
wrong... no coppermine or tualatin celerons work in SMP no matter what mobo or what chipset... they are disable at the processor level, via the dual pins being cut between the pin out and the die.

This MSI board works with dual cellies.... used it with them

http://www.msicomputer.com/product/deta ... D_Pro2.htm

uses the VIA® 694X / 694T chipset, so if your mobo has it, then you've got a good shot...

odog · Post by **odog** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 10:41 pm

yes we've already established mendocino celerons work in dual. were you using it with coppermine or tualatin celerons? i was very specific in my wording. are you claiming that you ran cu/tu celerons in dual on that board?

uses the VIA® 694X / 694T chipset, so if your mobo has it, then you've got a good shot...

no goddamnit, you have no shot! dual cu and tu celerons do not work:| stop digging man.

Qwijib0 · Post by **Qwijib0** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 11:06 pm

Originally posted by odog
yes we've already established mendocino celerons work in dual. were you using it with coppermine or tualatin celerons? i was very specific in my wording. are you claiming that you ran cu/tu celerons in dual on that board?

no goddamnit, you have no shot! dual cu and tu celerons do not work:| stop digging man.

dual coppermines 700.... maybe it was a fluke? All I know is the board worked.

odog · Post by **odog** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 11:14 pm

dual coppermines 700.... maybe it was a fluke? All I know is the board worked.

the second cpu was not being used, only the first one.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 11:30 pm

probably gonna put my paycheck into the checking account and order the sis video card for the intel mobo and the epox 8kha+ and the pormise fastrax tx4

Qwijib0 · Post by **Qwijib0** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 11:31 pm

Originally posted by odog
the second cpu was not being used, only the first one.

...and that's why windows 2000 allowed me to set process priority on a per-processor basis?

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 11:43 pm

no goddamnit, you have no shot! dual cu and tu celerons do not work:| stop digging man.

Jesus Christ on ice skates! Take a fricking pill man!

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