45 billion to rebuild brib truds and camel dung!?!?!?

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 10:52 am

45 billion said needed to rebuild afghanistan, AKA dirt!

Joint Chiefs of Staff · Tue Jan 15, 2002 10:54 am

Our tax money hard at work......

Can we all say "Tax Hike"?

Why don't the govt. put the 45 billion into our homeless and unemployment problems in both Canada and the U.S.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 10:57 am

Originally posted by GoldenSpoon
Our tax money hard at work......

Can we all say "Tax Hike"?

Why don't the govt. put the 45 billion into our homeless and unemployment problems in both Canada and the U.S.

they should put 45 billion into our schools, or our hospitals, or a new insurance dept.

if not then use it to bomb the middle east away and kill a ton of US haters.

Paft · Post by **Paft** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 10:58 am

*gets out asbestos suit and dark shades..*

I would have to say that this is a good thing, and not something to be mad about. After all, didn't we the US spend about $400,000,000 on the missles to destroy the place?

I would think that we should do SOMETHING to help em' rebuild.

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 11:02 am

Personally, I wouldn't give them a penny to rebuild.
To me, it looks as though the minute they are free of foreign influence within their own border, they'll go back to their Civil War and probably invite some more unwanteds into the place.

I'm getting some really bad feelings about Afghanistan and the U.S. trying to help them. Get the job done that we went there to do, then let any country but ours help them this time. I know that's fantasy thought, but that's what I feel.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 11:04 am

Originally posted by Paft
*gets out asbestos suit and dark shades..*

I would have to say that this is a good thing, and not something to be mad about. After all, didn't we the US spend about $400,000,000 on the missles to destroy the place?

I would think that we should do SOMETHING to help em' rebuild.

there was nothign there, certainly not worth 45billion, hardly worth 4.5 million i'd say!

eddiec · Post by **eddiec** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 11:18 am

That place is as civilized as Bedrock. $45bil for rebuild.......so $1 mil for materials and $44.9 bil to the firms that bid on the project. Anybody want to start a construction company? Pays better than a cable tech.

Immortal · Post by **Immortal** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 11:21 am

afgan total is worth like what... 11 bil ? or was it taliban. .wh ocares...

with that kidna money we can buy the damn country

Kip Patterson · Post by **Kip Patterson** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 11:24 am

Before the Russians invaded, Afghanistan was relatively stable and was self-sufficient agriculturally.

The biggest successes we ever had on the world scene were when we rebuilt Europe under the Marshall plan, and supported the recreation of a Japanese economy under MacArthur.

The Afghanis are not our enemies, guys.

Kip

eddiec · Post by **eddiec** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 11:30 am

Originally posted by Kip Patterson
Before the Russians invaded, Afghanistan was relatively stable and was self-sufficient agriculturally.

The biggest successes we ever had on the world scene were when we rebuilt Europe under the Marshall plan, and supported the recreation of a Japanese economy under MacArthur.

The Afghanis are not our enemies, guys.

Kip

Granted, they aren't our enemies. But who is it that's paying for that other little act of aggression, back on 9/11? We still have a war zone on US soil that needs attention. Let's keep it at home

Paft · Post by **Paft** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 11:32 am

Originally posted by eddiec

Granted, they aren't our enemies. But who is it that's paying for that other little act of aggression, back on 9/11? We still have a war zone on US soil that needs attention. Let's keep it at home

We have the resources to rebuild after 9/11.

The innocent Afganis do not. Don't condemn an entire country for the actions of a few.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 11:35 am

Originally posted by Paft

We have the resources to rebuild after 9/11.

The innocent Afganis do not. Don't condemn an entire country for the actions of a few.

they had nothing worth 45 billion to rebuild

Paft · Post by **Paft** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 11:36 am

Originally posted by YARDofSTUF

they had nothing worth 45 billion to rebuild

The cities we destroyed, the technological advances, the lives of thousands?

I think they did.

eddiec · Post by **eddiec** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 11:38 am

Originally posted by Paft

We have the resources to rebuild after 9/11.

The innocent Afganis do not. Don't condemn an entire country for the actions of a few.

I agree 100%. The citizens are innocent. We ought to help repair strike related damage to civillian areas. Get them back on their feet. But enough is enough. Let the whole world help out. It was a coalition effort to strike, let it be a coalition effort to rebuild. There's a bunch of widows and orphans right here that WE didn't create that deserve my tax dollars. College, mortgages, medical bills, psychological expenses. I'll gladly pay for that.

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 11:56 am

alright, heres how I see it. for what it's worth

9/11 aside. We are bombing locations in the Country of Afghanistan. We aren't at war however with Afghanistan itself. We are fighting forces that are in Afghanistan. It's a war in Afghanistan, not with Afghanistan.

That said, we are destroying targets, structures, roads, and other targets. Our mission is not to purely destroy things. The destruction of these things is to prevent the forces we are fighting from using them against us. Or, to make it harder for them to cohesively attack us there. Unfortunately by doing this we destroy a lot of assets that are valuable or useful to the Afghan people once our mission is over. It is in good faith, and I believe our right, to help rebuild those things we have destroyed ,or even the taliban or El Queda have destroyed, that will help the country move forward. If we can help make their country stonger it is less likely in the future to fall under the same type of control it has currently.

Yes, I would like to see more money spent on our issues. But, in the grand scheme of our budget I really don't believe us helping them prevents this. We have the money to do both, but not the willingness it seems.

We are not war mongers. we don't go to war just to rape, pillage, and burn. Thats one of the things that makes this country stand out IMHO. We do more than our share. (yes, other countries do too, but I live here).

eddiec · Post by **eddiec** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 12:22 pm

Eloquent appeal to common sense, Noevo. And on the money. In reality, $45 bil isn't that much in the global economy. And yes, US is in a good position to help and restore faith in human decency. It's just that that this whole situation has me feeling a bit selfish for the families I can relate to. But the Afghans are human beings that can't get up on their own. I was out of line and stand corrected. Peace

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 12:35 pm

thanks eddiec. Just wanted to make sure you knew that wasn't an effort to correct you. Just my thoughtses.

eddiec · Post by **eddiec** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 12:36 pm

No prob. That was just my knee-jerk reaction. Damned human trait I can't delete.

CiscoKid · Post by **CiscoKid** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 1:06 pm

It's somewhat a rule in modern warfare to pay for the structures you destroy durring war. We assisted in bombing the Hell out of Rurope after WWII, we have taken an already defeated counrty and bombed them more...

With the rules of modern warfare, we are to assist them in rebuilding!!

They have a new government, one which will be part of the UN once again, they would NOT be able to alloe actions launched against the US without UN sanctions.

LoopeD · Post by **LoopeD** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 2:16 pm

Originally posted by Paft

We have the resources to rebuild after 9/11.

The innocent Afganis do not. Don't condemn an entire country for the actions of a few.

Agreed. bin Laden and his gang aren't even in Afghanistan any more. An entire country cannot be held responsible for the insanity of a few select citizens. If that were the case, then every country on earth would be guilty of something or another.........

Originally posted by Yard oStuff

if not then use it to bomb the middle east away and kill a ton of US haters.

No offence, dude, and I'm not going to get into a big war with you on this, but I stand up for my neighbour Americans all the time, online and elsewhere, when some people say you are all tunnel-visioned country bumpkins who only care about American interests. Then you go and say something like this?

You sound ridiculously prejudiced. I know you are an alumni of this board, and I am a mere newbie, but come on now - lets not be silly, OK? I'm sure you are an intelligent human; now let's show it. I can't begin to understand what it would be like to have an attack on Canadian soil, but at the same time, the people responsible are the people responsible. And your comment here is just plain ignorant - show the world that you don't slip down to the level of bin Laden and his crazies and show some bloody tact.

The U.S., though justified completely in its actions, nevertheless bombed Afghanistan for months because their Taliban government (which was hated by most Afghani citizens) were harbouring Osama bin Laden and other terrorists. Now the CIA just released a report, saying they believe bin Laden has been out of the country since the end of November. And you don't think that its a nice gesture to give some money to help the innocent citizens rebuild their post-Taliban shattered country?

By the way, YOS, before you ask, I am not Muslim, or Arab, or Afghani, or Iraqi. I am your average Canadian white guy. Not that it matters, but I imagine it does to you.

Flame away if you wish.

d

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 5:43 pm

Originally posted by LoopeD

No offence, dude, and I'm not going to get into a big war with you on this, but I stand up for my neighbour Americans all the time, online and elsewhere, when some people say you are all tunnel-visioned country bumpkins who only care about American interests. Then you go and say something like this?

You sound ridiculously prejudiced. I know you are an alumni of this board, and I am a mere newbie, but come on now - lets not be silly, OK? I'm sure you are an intelligent human; now let's show it. I can't begin to understand what it would be like to have an attack on Canadian soil, but at the same time, the people responsible are the people responsible. And your comment here is just plain ignorant - show the world that you don't slip down to the level of bin Laden and his crazies and show some bloody tact.

The U.S., though justified completely in its actions, nevertheless bombed Afghanistan for months because their Taliban government (which was hated by most Afghani citizens) were harbouring Osama bin Laden and other terrorists. Now the CIA just released a report, saying they believe bin Laden has been out of the country since the end of November. And you don't think that its a nice gesture to give some money to help the innocent citizens rebuild their post-Taliban shattered country?

By the way, YOS, before you ask, I am not Muslim, or Arab, or Afghani, or Iraqi. I am your average Canadian white guy. Not that it matters, but I imagine it does to you.

Flame away if you wish.

d

The children in afghanastan feel bin laden should be aloowed nukes. the reson, because it would only be fair for him to have them since his enemy(the usa) has them. they arent taught to judge us fairly, they're taught that are government is ruled by jews. There taught to hate us and we'll only have more bin ladens cuz of this in the future, if u read the things i mentioned beofre what u quoted then those are my first choices, but i'd rather the whole problem(country) be destroyed then rebuilt. I'm sure it helps fuel the US haters and make them think they won.

and i dont care if ur a neon green italian

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 5:46 pm

You have something agaisnt neon green Italians? Ohhh Gumby is gonna be so pissed.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 6:15 pm

gumby's more a teal green

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 8:33 pm

From the ashes of decimated countries arise dangerous leaders.

Like Kip said, the Marshall plan rebuilt Europe and created good will.

If we aid the Afghans in rebuilding their tattered country, we would create bushels of good will inside the Arab world.

shant,
david

Qwijib0 · Post by **Qwijib0** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 10:09 pm

Originally posted by YARDofSTUF

The children in afghanastan feel bin laden should be aloowed nukes. the reson, because it would only be fair for him to have them since his enemy(the usa) has them. they arent taught to judge us fairly, they're taught that are government is ruled by jews. There taught to hate us and we'll only have more bin ladens cuz of this in the future, if u read the things i mentioned beofre what u quoted then those are my first choices, but i'd rather the whole problem(country) be destroyed then rebuilt. I'm sure it helps fuel the US haters and make them think they won.

and i dont care if ur a neon green italian

Ok... you want the afghan children to think that the US isn't bad? Say you're a starving child, and afghanistan bombed your house because president bush decided to declare armageddon on afghanistan. Are you going to like the afghanis? uh... no. let's say that after the bombs, and bush is dead, then afghnaistanians come in, rebuild your house and economy and give you food... you'll probably think they're niver than you thought before. you might not love the, but at least you'll start to build a bit of friendliness between the nations. the only way to invoke change is to provide examples... and by doing good, we can show them that the US is nothing to have a holy war against.

CiscoKid · Post by **CiscoKid** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 10:20 pm

Originally posted by Qwijib0

Ok... you want the afghan children to think that the US isn't bad? Say you're a starving child, and afghanistan bombed your house because president bush decided to declare armageddon on afghanistan. Are you going to like the afghanis? uh... no. let's say that after the bombs, and bush is dead, then afghnaistanians come in, rebuild your house and economy and give you food... you'll probably think they're niver than you thought before. you might not love the, but at least you'll start to build a bit of friendliness between the nations. the only way to invoke change is to provide examples... and by doing good, we can show them that the US is nothing to have a holy war against.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 11:02 pm

...send me either butter or bullets....
Gen. Douglas MacArthur

EvilAngel · Post by **EvilAngel** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 11:06 pm

Originally posted by Qwijib0

Ok... you want the afghan children to think that the US isn't bad? Say you're a starving child, and afghanistan bombed your house because president bush decided to declare armageddon on afghanistan. Are you going to like the afghanis? uh... no. let's say that after the bombs, and bush is dead, then afghnaistanians come in, rebuild your house and economy and give you food... you'll probably think they're niver than you thought before. you might not love the, but at least you'll start to build a bit of friendliness between the nations. the only way to invoke change is to provide examples... and by doing good, we can show them that the US is nothing to have a holy war against.

Damn, for a 14 year old your pretty smart.

MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 11:12 pm

Originally posted by EvilAngel

Damn, for a 14 year old your pretty smart.

Oh now you've gone and done it!!!!!

Qwijib0 · Post by **Qwijib0** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 11:39 pm

Originally posted by EvilAngel

Damn, for a 14 year old your pretty smart.

Thanks for the compliment... but for future reference my age is actually 18....

EvilAngel · Post by **EvilAngel** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 11:49 pm

Originally posted by Qwijib0

Thanks for the compliment... but for future reference my age is actually 18....

I know man,

I was just mess'n.. I just wanted to get a reaction...lol

Qwijib0 · Post by **Qwijib0** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 11:53 pm

Originally posted by EvilAngel

I know man, I was just mess'n.. I just wanted to get a reaction...lol

hehe... I'm used to it

People look at me funny when I try to use a credit card....

I'll probably be showing ID till I'm 35 lol

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 11:58 pm

Want a reaction?

*Grabs Q's nipple with needlenose pliers*

Now thats a reaction.

Qwijib0 · Post by **Qwijib0** » Wed Jan 16, 2002 12:02 am

Originally posted by brembo
Want a reaction?

*Grabs Q's nipple with needlenose pliers*

Now thats a reaction.

*Kicks brembo swiftly in his deer rear*

MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Wed Jan 16, 2002 12:08 am

Originally posted by Qwijib0

*Kicks brembo swiftly in his deer rear*

*Grabs digital camera and gets closer to the action*

EvilAngel · Post by **EvilAngel** » Wed Jan 16, 2002 12:13 am

Originally posted by brembo
Want a reaction?

*Grabs Q's nipple with needlenose pliers*

Now thats a reaction.

I was thinking about you when I got my new sig you perv!...lol

LoopeD · Post by **LoopeD** » Wed Jan 16, 2002 12:14 am

Originally posted by YARDofSTUF

The children in afghanastan feel bin laden should be aloowed nukes. the reson, because it would only be fair for him to have them since his enemy(the usa) has them. they arent taught to judge us fairly, they're taught that are government is ruled by jews. There taught to hate us and we'll only have more bin ladens cuz of this in the future, if u read the things i mentioned beofre what u quoted then those are my first choices, but i'd rather the whole problem(country) be destroyed then rebuilt. I'm sure it helps fuel the US haters and make them think they won.

and i dont care if ur a neon green italian

Neon green Italian?

Anyhoo, your response is ignorant, uneducated and badly misspelt. Therefore, this argument is at a close, with one statement.

Not all Afghanis hate America and Americans! Weird, eh? Can you believe it - some actually just want to live their lives in peace, without all the bull@#$#!!! How, pray tell, do you know what "they" are taught? The footage of al-Quaeda training camps you've watched on CNN are NOT the whole population, you know........you don't punish a whole demographic because of its crazies, or North America, along with pretty damn near every country on earth, would have been punished long long ago.
You don't see Jews trying to level Germany, do you?

You burn mosques, don't you?

Ciao in vert.

d

P.S. - Again, I just don't like ignorant comments; however I am very much a supporter of the United States and *most* of their people.........

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Wed Jan 16, 2002 12:42 am

Originally posted by LoopeD

Neon green Italian?

Anyhoo, your response is ignorant, uneducated and badly misspelt. Therefore, this argument is at a close, with one statement.

Not all Afghanis hate America and Americans! Weird, eh? Can you believe it - some actually just want to live their lives in peace, without all the bull@#$#!!! How, pray tell, do you know what "they" are taught? The footage of al-Quaeda training camps you've watched on CNN are NOT the whole population, you know........you don't punish a whole demographic because of its crazies, or North America, along with pretty damn near every country on earth, would have been punished long long ago.
You don't see Jews trying to level Germany, do you?

You burn mosques, don't you?

Ciao in vert.

d

P.S. - Again, I just don't like ignorant comments; however I am very much a supporter of the United States and *most* of their people.........

Ignorant response? That was harsh. Where is your proof that what he said was wholly incorrect?

Qwijib0 · Post by **Qwijib0** » Wed Jan 16, 2002 12:43 am

Originally posted by LoopeD

You don't see Jews trying to level Germany, do you?

...they gotta finish on palestine first

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Wed Jan 16, 2002 12:46 am

Originally posted by Qwijib0

...they gotta finish on palestine first

Funny, I do not recall Israeli suicide bombers killing scores of civilians.