AVG a resource hog!!?

touser3 · Post by **touser3** » Sat Sep 22, 2001 11:05 pm

hi all i recently decided to go with AVG as my antivirus software and well whenever it is running my hard drive is much slower, for example if i try to burn cd's i get a buffer underrun when it is on but dont when it is off, when i do a benchmark of my computer on http://www.pcpitstop.com my hard drive read/write levels come back as extremely slow with it running..i am running winXP pro if it makes any difference..can anyone please help me is there some setting i can do to speed things up in the program? this is my system:
p4 1.7@2ghz
abit th7-raid
256mb PC800
40gb maxtor ata100 7200rpm
geforce 2 ultra

thanks for any help in advance it is greatly appreciated

ab12ab12ab12 · Post by **ab12ab12ab12** » Sat Sep 22, 2001 11:58 pm

hi touser,i use avg and according to my win98 resource meter its a 3% resource drain,which i find acceptable.with the system resources u have maybe something else going on not right.I was just reading in the AVG forum if im not mistaken,there is presently no AVG version specifically for winXP,but in the works.so that might be your prob.Just speaking from memory some people mistakenly using win2k? for xp. here is url for reading and posting there,hope i helped.http://www.hbedv.net/cgi-bin/ultimate.cgi

ab12ab12ab12 · Post by **ab12ab12ab12** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 12:01 am

damit,dont understand why urls i post dont work.

ab12ab12ab12 · Post by **ab12ab12ab12** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 12:03 am

anyway,type it in should work

touser3 · Post by **touser3** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 12:07 am

thank you ab12ab12ab12 for the info, its greatly appreciated

touser3 · Post by **touser3** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 12:08 am

hrmm i cant get that link to work...typing it in doesnt work either

ab12ab12ab12 · Post by **ab12ab12ab12** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 12:40 am

okay,try this.
right click AVI icon,start anti vir main program,then click help-support connections ,then click url at bottom of that.

ab12ab12ab12 · Post by **ab12ab12ab12** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 12:50 am

late,meant right click in system tray the AVG icon,...

touser3 · Post by **touser3** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 12:51 am

hrmm no url on mine..what version of AVG are you running? i am running the latest version of the free one

ab12ab12ab12 · Post by **ab12ab12ab12** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 1:01 am

hmmm,thats funny,i went crazy myself when pc pitstop showed very slow read write speeds for me also awhile back.Evrything else was good or great,never did figure out if theres any truth to that part of the test because my system runs good,internet speed good and so on .I know i have a crappy cd-rom,though,ive been told-also told by local pc repair shop that poor cd-roms can suck up resources.

ab12ab12ab12 · Post by **ab12ab12ab12** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 1:03 am

running program version 6.09.09.61
vdf file 6.09.00.72

ab12ab12ab12 · Post by **ab12ab12ab12** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 1:07 am

hey noticed two" help" on the AVG screen use one on the top and to the right

touser3 · Post by **touser3** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 1:10 am

hrmm welp i know it isnt my cd-rom..i running a 72x kenwood, thanks again for the help, but nothing seems to be adding up here..my system doesnt seem much slower if any while the AVG is running, but pcpitstop makes big difference when it is off and also like i said i cannot even burn mp3's to cd's from my hard drive! when the avg is on it slows down so much..and i only have an 8x burner!

ab12ab12ab12 · Post by **ab12ab12ab12** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 1:18 am

mm.. once again from some foggy memory i might have heard turn off any virus program when burnin,did you say have tried this?

touser3 · Post by **touser3** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 1:29 am

yup now i turn it off when i burn..but before with inoculateIT it wasnt a problem

ab12ab12ab12 · Post by **ab12ab12ab12** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 1:36 am

cool beans.hey,can you tell me good download location for free music? I have also 8x burner i'd like to start using more.

touser3 · Post by **touser3** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 1:41 am

well the best thing i know of is morpheus you can download it from http://www.musiccity.com and it is baseicly a napster rip off, i get all my music through it

say do you have icq? my icq is 74754688

ab12ab12ab12 · Post by **ab12ab12ab12** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 2:04 am

dont have irc but you can private message me anytime you like.thank for the url,i think its time to hit the sheets(2 am)

Norm · Post by **Norm** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 3:42 am

Hi guys, saw this thread and thought I could offer up my own experience with burning and the 2 virus scanners you've been mentioning.

I currently run AVG and Innoculate IT with Win98SE (at the same time), and I burn CD's too. I have a Yamaha 6X4X16 burner. I always burn at 4x even though it can do 6x, just to be safe, but even with the 2 scanners running 6x does work. I've only had a problem with a couple of CD's, I believe it's got something to do with the CD's themselves tho, in this case.
BTW _ My burner is a SCSI model so it isn't affecting my IDE channels at all. My HD is on primary, and my CDRom is on secondary IDE channel. 2 devices on the same IDE channel being used at the same time (as your system likely is, will have drawbacks in speed.
With a virus scanner running, it's usually scanning every file that moves, or is accessed on your system, so it would take up resources ie "3%", AND slow the movement of files at the same time, would it not? (since it IS scanning them too, before they go to the burners buffer..)

Possibly your HD, or your CDRom can't keep the buffer full, as the files take too long to get there. It could be a combination of things, like HD tranfer rate, CDRom transfer rate, files being scanned first, bus speed, DMA, irq's shared, master/slave setting on HD and CDRom and/or burner, and the channel they are using..

I'll bet just burning at a slower speed will do the trick, but you may want to look into some of things I've mentioned. You might reach highest burn speed with what you have for hardware, with a few adjustments to the way it's all set up, you might not.
It may just be that XP and AVG aren't working well together too.

touser3 · Post by **touser3** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 12:41 pm

thank you very much norm for that wonderful reply

, well lets see i have my ata100 7200rpm maxtor on ide0 as master, and then on ide1 i have the 72x kenwood as secondary master, and 8x-4x-32x secondary slave creative labs burner as well on ide1,now the only possible reason i can see for this not working right is it is the software not cooperating with winXP,because i know it couldnt possibly be my hardware is outdated.. if anything i would be having mroe problems with a 24x burner ehhe, the only other problem would be that i got a bad maxtor..wouldnt be the 1st time hehe..hrmmm irq's..well they are all sharing alot of irq's, but i dont know how to get them all off the same one eheh any ideas?

Norm · Post by **Norm** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 1:00 pm

Assuming you have DMA enabled for your Maxtor, and your CDRom, and with the latest updates for the drivers for your mobo, it appears your hardware has the capabilty to keep the buffer full, even at 8x. One problem could be when copying CD's though, since the burner and the CDRom are on the same IDE channel. If you copy the files to your HD first, you will see better results.
If most of your burning is CD copying, switch the burner to slave with the Maxtor, (so your CDRom and burner are on separate channels.) but if you burn most files from your Maxtor, leave it as is I guess, and just burn at a slower speed for now.

Also, as stated, AVG isn't quite ready for XP yet, and that could be the main problem. As stated, when you disable AVG the burn goes well.

I'd like to help with the irq share isue, but I haven't had much time with XP yet to know the details of changing irq's. In Win98 it would be through the device manager, and the properties of the device in question. You could assign an irq manually that way. XP can't be that different, or is it? I noticed Win98 assigns different irq's to all hardware, and then only shares when there is no free ones left, or the device can only use certain irq's by default.
In Win2K I've noticed many of my devices are sharing irq#9 for some odd reason, but everything still works well.
I need more studying on this whole issue myself.

Another thought....XP is still beta, right? maybe the final edition will solve this.

touser3 · Post by **touser3** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 1:54 pm

thanks norm again, welp i do almost all of my burning from the hard drive so i dont need to move the burner over to the other ide, and yes xp is still in beta but i have the final version which i got through a bud who works at dell

ab12ab12ab12 · Post by **ab12ab12ab12** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 3:01 pm

well im glad you responded norm.I have much to learn and consider myself a novice by any means.After reading what you stated i looked up irq for cd-rom,shared with burner.Its irq 6.would adding a buffer to irq# in system.ini.,enh386 help at all especially if i had ram to spare?(576mb)win98se.Also,what should be checked in cd rom options.I think mine is not right.
auto load-checked/disconnect-checked/sync-unchecked.:2cool:

touser3 · Post by **touser3** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 3:54 pm

hey guys i thought i would just post my irq's and see if anyone can see any problems with the way they are setup? any help is really appreciated on this!

ab12ab12ab12 · Post by **ab12ab12ab12** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 9:50 pm

hey touser,hows it going?wish i could see all irq's on mine without scrolling.Im no pro remember,but i noticed irq 11 loaded with nic and video,those two have seperate irqs on mine.do you have nic card tweak adding buffer for it?similar to what i posted before your irq paste?

touser3 · Post by **touser3** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 10:08 pm

thanks for the reply ab12ab12ab12, as far as i know i do not have any nic card tweaks, or anyhting like that,i am overclocking my graphics card tho..

ab12ab12ab12 · Post by **ab12ab12ab12** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 10:29 pm

okay,dont want to misinform i dont know concerning overclocking then adding mem buffer.Anyway,go to speedguide.net look in column on left for sys.ini tweaks,click it and will explain how to.
I can say they recommend 4096 setting and can go more,mine is set 7196 reccomended in this forum.if i go higher it has negative effect on my os(win98se).
p.s.-could you read the pm i sent you ,i could use help regarding another matter.

touser3 · Post by **touser3** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 11:00 pm

oh darn ab12ab12ab12 private messaging was somehow disabled in there and i didnt know it..can u pls re-send your pm to me?

ab12ab12ab12 · Post by **ab12ab12ab12** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 11:04 pm

ok,on its way.

touser3 · Post by **touser3** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 11:08 pm

hrmmm still nothing

ab12ab12ab12 · Post by **ab12ab12ab12** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 11:11 pm

had to type it first,i meant,not EVEN a speed typist(lol)

touser3 · Post by **touser3** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 11:19 pm

hehe ok will ya pls post here once you sent it i not quite sure my private messaging is working right

ab12ab12ab12 · Post by **ab12ab12ab12** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 11:27 pm

ok,its sent.Lag time is terrible right now.

touser3 · Post by **touser3** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 11:41 pm

allrighty and i sent a reply

Norm · Post by **Norm** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 11:47 pm

Hmmm, I wouldn't want one irq sharing with video, and nic, but if it's working, why mess with it.

One tip...go into the BIOS setup and disable all the ports not being used, like LTP1 (printer port), serial ports (if you have a PS2 mouse and aren't using the serial ports for anything else) and USB port. That will free up some interupts and reduce some of the sharing.

ab12ab12ab12 · Post by **ab12ab12ab12** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 11:57 pm

hi norm,good to hear ya.Im a simpleton what key to bios?f2?
can disable printer port if have printer,sounds silly but gotta ask?
any refs to this so i dont make mistake?

Norm · Post by **Norm** » Mon Sep 24, 2001 12:07 am

All BIOS's are different. Try holding [shift] on boot, or hit the [delete] key, or F1, whatever works I guess

One thing I do when I can't figure a way in is create a keyboard error by holding my whole hand on a lot of keys on boot, that sometimes comes up with "Press F1 to enter setup" message

Only disable ports you don't use. if you have a printer, leave LTP1 port enabled.
Once you are in the BIOS setup, look around, read everything, you'll figure it out without any help.
One tip.......Make one change at a time then save and reboot, just in case of trouble, you'll know what caused it if you stick to one change at a time.

ab12ab12ab12 · Post by **ab12ab12ab12** » Mon Sep 24, 2001 12:09 am

thank you sir

Norm · Post by **Norm** » Mon Sep 24, 2001 12:24 am

Welcome

BTW - I'm a simpleton too, ask my wife

Croc · Post by **Croc** » Mon Sep 24, 2001 5:38 am

In an email I believe to Fredra, Grisoft stated that WinXP is supported by AVG. There is a warning that may pop up saying it will not, however this is wrong and should be ignored.

As far as resources go, personally I don't mind if there are a few gobbled up by my preferred AV program (AVG or IPE). The program/s is/are there to protect and there will always be a price for that. What resources are taken by other, more commercial programs like Norton, McAffee or PCCillin? Do these match or better those used resources?

Croc

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