The mosque in NYC

[JC]

What does everyone think about the mosque that will be built a couple blocks from the site of the World Trade Centers.

*Discuss*

[YARDofSTUF]

Its fine with me.

[JC]

Its fine with me.

Really, why?

[Mark]

i'm torn, on one hand i am all for religious freedom and their right to build it and all, on the other hand, i don't understand why they have to build it there and dedicate it on the 9/11.

[YARDofSTUF]

Really, why?

Why should I not be fine with it? Its not like an Al Qaeda headquarters or something.

How do you feel when churches are built near you?

[JC]

Why should I not be fine with it? Its not like an Al Qaeda headquarters or something.

How do you feel when churches are built near you?

Fair enough.

Have you ever been in the south? Churches aren't built anymore....there's no more room LOL.

[Miggs]

It's a slap in the face to the familys of the victims of 911 and all Americans.
I can still remember when they crashed the planes into the towers, America wanted blood back then but today some of us seem to have forgotten and tend to look the other way, not me.

[mnosteele52]

It's a slap in the face.

[YARDofSTUF]

It's a slap in the face.

How so?

[Prey521]

How so?

Just because you have the right to do something does not mean that it is right. Would it be against the law to build a Japanese Museum near Pearl Harbor? No, would it be right? HELL NO. This is a disgrace and insult to those whom died on 9/11, their family, the citizens of NY and the rest the country. To make matters worse, the Imam that's heading the project is a scumbag that believes that the US should adopt Shariah law, says that the US was an accessory to 9/11 a week after the attack and he has pretty questionable connections overseas. They wanted to name the mosque the Cordoba House for crying out loud which is a symbol of their Spanish conquest.

It also doesn't help that NYC has a spineless, worthless dirtbag thief of a Mayor that thinks this is all hunky dory. This issue isn't going away and I'd almost bet that this mosque doesn't get built.


Even a friggin Brit knows we're becoming soft.

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[Sava700]

It's a slap in the face.

I agree.. many other places to put it, it doesn't need to be anywhere in a 10block radius of ground zero.

[JawZ]

It's a slap in the face to the familys of the victims of 911 and all Americans.
I can still remember when they crashed the planes into the towers, America wanted blood back then but today some of us seem to have forgotten and tend to look the other way, not me.

Many Americans are Muslims...just as many Americans are Christians. So when you say ALL Americans...I can say that's a bold faced lie...and say it very easily and with 100% confidence in my facts.

Have you even researched WHY they want the mosque there?

[JawZ]

Just because you have the right to do something does not mean that it is right. Would it be against the law to build a Japanese Museum near Pearl Harbor? No, would it be right? HELL NO. This is a disgrace and insult to those whom died on 9/11, their family, the citizens of NY and the rest the country. To make matters worse, the Imam that's heading the project is a scumbag that believes that the US should adopt Shariah law, says that the US was an accessory to 9/11 a week after the attack and he has pretty questionable connections overseas. They wanted to name the mosque the Cordoba House for crying out loud which is a symbol of their Spanish conquest.

It also doesn't help that NYC has a spineless, worthless dirtbag thief of a Mayor that thinks this is all hunky dory. This issue isn't going away and I'd almost bet that this mosque doesn't get built.


Even a friggin Brit knows we're becoming soft.

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So in the name of the Constitution, we're going to go against it's principles and say that religious freedom doesn't really exist in America?

The biggest win for the terrorists is for you to DENY this mosque. All they have to do is point back to it's denial and say..."see, America isn't really that free...in fact, they are very oppressive...just like us!"

It's funny, they don't even have to bomb us anymore in order for us to trash our own principles rooted in the Constitution.

[RoundEye]

They can build it wherever they want as far as I’m concerned, except on 9.11 grounds. Dedicating it on 9.11 is what I find insulating.

[YARDofSTUF]

Just because you have the right to do something does not mean that it is right. Would it be against the law to build a Japanese Museum near Pearl Harbor? No, would it be right? HELL NO.

The problem with that is your putting the blame of 9-11 on all Muslims.

[Roody]

So in the name of the Constitution, we're going to go against it's principles and say that religious freedom doesn't really exist in America?

The biggest win for the terrorists is for you to DENY this mosque. All they have to do is point back to it's denial and say..."see, America isn't really that free...in fact, they are very oppressive...just like us!"

It's funny, they don't even have to bomb us anymore in order for us to trash our own principles rooted in the Constitution.

Agreed.

[Brk]

While there is no Constitutional prohibition against this, and I fully support one's right to express their religious beliefs as long as they keep it within the law, I absolutely believe these people are indeed purposely being *******s, despite their protestations of wanting to foster multicultural understanding.

This is a "damned-if-you..." situation.

If the mosque/"cultural center" is built, we've allowed for "Islamification" to take deeper root in its westward expansion. But if any person or organization involved with terrorism is definitively proven to be involved with the funding or construction after the fact, what will we do? Bulldoze it? Refuse to let it be built and you're a bigot; once it's built and we find out the bankroll came from Hamas or somesuch, and now it's a flashpoint.

Freedom of religion is one thing, but this is a purposeful finger in both New York City's and America's eye. It's another instance of scared white people capitulating to brown people in the hopes that if they voice their support loudly enough, the terrorists won't want to kill them. Lulz.

NYC needs to ball up and either put the kibosh on this or let it proceed and shut up.

[Roody]

I hear ya Burke. I agree this is likely a thing a group are doing to stir up trouble although I can't prove that, but it's hard to imagine how it couldn't be.

[Sava700]

[Debbie]

On September 11th at 2 p.m., there will be a rally on Park Place between Church and West Broadway.

I'm going...

It is being organized by the SIOA - "Stop Islamification of America."

[mnosteele52]

Well said Burke.

[Paft]

Regardless of any personal feelings I might have over this issue, the one thing that trumps them all is this: Every citizen in the United States of America is protected by the laws that govern our nation that are spelled out in the Constitution. And first in that list is the freedom for all peoples to worship as they will, wherever they will, within the laws of our nation.

I'm going into the Navy - and I swore an oath to defend the Constitution, and all the people under it. So the bottom line for me is simple: These citizens of the United States, who just happen to be muslim, want to build a mosque in tribute to what happened on 9/11. They are excersizing the rights that people who have gone before me, who go with me, and who will go after me have defended and will defend as long as the country still exists.

And for that reason alone, I support them in their efforts.

[JawZ]

But if any person or organization involved with terrorism is definitively proven to be involved with the funding or construction after the fact, what will we do? Bulldoze it? Refuse to let it be built and you're a bigot; once it's built and we find out the bankroll came from Hamas or somesuch, and now it's a flashpoint.

Freedom of religion is one thing, but this is a purposeful finger in both New York City's and America's eye. It's another instance of scared white people capitulating to brown people in the hopes that if they voice their support loudly enough, the terrorists won't want to kill them. Lulz.
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I actually disagree with you and I'll explain why.

A true Muslim and jihadist can NEVER claim to be a Muslim while being a citizen of a NON-Islamic country...especially the evil empire of the United States.

If there is a reason for this thing to not be built, it would be for safety because I'm going to tell you with absolute certainty that this mosque would be target numero uno for the Islamic terrorists of the world.

There won't be one friggin penny contributed from any terrorist network as this is COMPLETELY against their view of Islam. They hate their own kind trying to assimilate into a non-Islamic society MORE then they hate infidels.




EDIT: The Imam in charge of this project has been declared an enemy of Al Qaeda.

[Roody]

Regardless of any personal feelings I might have over this issue, the one thing that trumps them all is this: Every citizen in the United States of America is protected by the laws that govern our nation that are spelled out in the Constitution. And first in that list is the freedom for all peoples to worship as they will, wherever they will, within the laws of our nation.

I'm going into the Navy - and I swore an oath to defend the Constitution, and all the people under it. So the bottom line for me is simple: These citizens of the United States, who just happen to be muslim, want to build a mosque in tribute to what happened on 9/11. They are excersizing the rights that people who have gone before me, who go with me, and who will go after me have defended and will defend as long as the country still exists.

And for that reason alone, I support them in their efforts.

Well said Paft.

[Debbie]

An anonymous person posted this comment to an article in the NY Post. I thought it was interesting.

“Can a good Muslim be a good American?

Theologically - no. . . .Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.

Religiously - no.. . . Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah
except Islam (Quran, 2:256) (Koran.)

Scripturally - no. . . Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of
Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no . Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he
turns in prayer five times a day

Socially - no. . . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no.. . . Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel,
and destruction of America, 'the great Satan'.

Domestically - no. .. . Because he is instructed to marry four women, and
beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34.)

Intellectually - no. . Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles,
and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. . . . Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does
not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no.. . . Because when we declare 'one nation under God,'
The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to
as heavenly Father, nor is he ever called Love in the Quran's 99 'excellent names.'

Therefore, after much study and deliberation.... perhaps we should be
very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. - - - They obviously
cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish,
it's still the Truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand
This, the better it will be for our Country and our future.
The religious war is bigger than we can know or understand...

Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within.”

[JawZ]

An anonymous person posted this comment to an article in the NY Post. I thought is was interesting.

It's fear mongering plain and simple. It was probably written by an Islamic fundamentalist hence why it's anonymous. The Islamic fundamentalists want the purification of Islam. And that can never happen on western soil. The #1 enemy of Al Qaeda are Muslims living and prospering in America.


Also, it was the Soviets that said they'd destroy us from within...without ever having to fire a single shot.

[YARDofSTUF]

An anonymous person posted this comment to an article in the NY Post. I thought it was interesting.

Stole this from another forum:

The moon God? Allah is a monotheistic God.

The last time I looked, the US wasn't a theocracy. Therefore, it doesn't matter what religion is accepted by Allah, because Americans can be any (or none) religion they want.

The Five Pillars of Islam are:

Faith or belief in the Oneness of God and the finality of the prophethood of Muhammad
Saying daily prayers
Concern for and almsgiving to the needy
Self-purification through fasting
The pilgrimage to Mecca for those who are able

I fail to see how the Five Pillars prevent one from being an American.

Mullahs are only found in the Shiite branch of Islam. The Sunnis have Imams, the Sufis have Shaykhs (sheikhs, which means "leaders") and the Druse have al-Ajawīd, a term that means "The Good Ones." Not all mullahs teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America.

A Muslim is allowed to have up to four wives, there is no requirement to have all four.

"You will be eager for your husband and he will rule over you" -Genesis 3:16

"Wives be subservient to your husbands" -Ephesians 5:22

Rest: http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ulti ... 002198;p=1


Honestly all that troll message does is help bigots feel better about themselves.

[Debbie]

Honestly all that troll message does is help bigots feel better about themselves.

Ok, Alan...how is your day?

[YARDofSTUF]

Ok, Alan...how is your day?

Pretty good, probably will be making a thread about my last couple weeks sometime on Thursday.

[Debbie]

Pretty good, probably will be making a thread about my last couple weeks sometime on Thursday.

Good, I hope.

[Debbie]

He is doing something right for a change...

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manh ... sDGVMt2sTP

ALBANY - New York Gov. David Paterson offered state help Tuesday if the developers of a proposed mosque near the site of the Sept. 11 attacks agree to move the project farther from the site.

Paterson, a Democrat, said that he doesn’t oppose the project as planned but indicated that he understands where opponents are coming from. He said he was willing to intervene to seek other suitable state property if the developers agreed.

“I think it’s rather clear that building a center there meets all the requirements, but it does seem to ignite an immense amount of anxiety among the citizens of New York and people everywhere, and I think not without cause,” Paterson said in a news conference in Manhattan......

[RoundEye]

I still think dedicating it on 911 is a kick in the nuts to all American people.

It’s as simple as denying them a building permit, there has to be a way to stop them. It seems to me that they are trying to cause s***. Building it so close to Ground Zero and dedicating it on 911 seems like an ill move to me. It will cause some racial tension. If the Muslims are trying to cause trouble, it seems they found a good way to do it.

[Debbie]

My heart bleeds....

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20 ... /100819969

Mosque controversy dents Bloomberg's popularity

Mayor's approval rating drops below 50% as a majority of New Yorkers are opposed to Islamic centers construction near the World Trade Center site.
The mayor's approval ranking sunk below 50% for the first time since 2005, according to a survey released by Marist College, thanks in part to his support of the planned Islamic community center near Ground Zero.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg's 49% approval ranking declined 15.5% since last September, and is the mayor's fourth lowest ranking since he was elected in 2002.

“He's on the wrong side of public opinion,” said Lee Maringoff, who directed the Marist poll, referring to the center that has become known as the Ground Zero mosque. “It's certainly not doing the mayor any good.”

...cont.

[RoundEye]

Come to think about it, who sold them the building and who did he think he was selling it to?

[Prey521]

I still think dedicating it on 911 is a kick in the nuts to all American people.

It’s as simple as denying them a building permit, there has to be a way to stop them. It seems to me that they are trying to cause s***. Building it so close to Ground Zero and dedicating it on 911 seems like an ill move to me. It will cause some racial tension. If the Muslims are trying to cause trouble, it seems they found a good way to do it.

This is nothing but a conquest move on their part, plain and simple. They don't care about fostering multicultural understanding, all they care about is putting their gaudy Mosque on display a few blocks away from Ground Zero and rubbing it in our noses. And I coudn't care less if they somehow think that they "win" by not allowing them to build their mosque there, just take your Mosque and build it elsewhere and show some f'n respect.

[JawZ]

I still think dedicating it on 911 is a kick in the nuts to all American people.

It’s as simple as denying them a building permit, there has to be a way to stop them. It seems to me that they are trying to cause s***. Building it so close to Ground Zero and dedicating it on 911 seems like an ill move to me. It will cause some racial tension. If the Muslims are trying to cause trouble, it seems they found a good way to do it.

Would you rather have them kill people in suicide operations on our soil?



This reminds me how the Jewish community in my local area won't allow a memorial be built for those that died in the Hindenburg disaster.

[RoundEye]

...Would you rather have them kill people in suicide operations on our soil?...

That’s a stupid question.

Of f****** course not!

[JC]

I wonder what company will contract to build the thing. I would imagine this could be difficult \\shrug//.

[JawZ]

That’s a stupid question.

Of f****** course not!

It's not stupid given some of the posts here.

I can't make it any more clear to you or anyone else...these people, these Muslim Americans, just declared themselves enemies of radical Islam. By their very actions, they have signed their own death warrants. Imam's in other countries are making fatwas against them.


so let's see...

We have legal immigrants
We have working people
We have fellow Americans
We have peace loving folk
We have tolerant religious folk
We have a group that wants to honor ALL those that died on that September day...

and here we have you (not you personally Tobey)...saying that despite all these facts, it's all a f**k**g conspiracy to destroy the country from within.

Well...LOL.


All I can say is that if you are afraid of this...what does it say about you?

[RoundEye]

We have a bunch of legal, working, religious, fellow Americans that want to dedicate their mosque on September eleventh.

Why?