i do not envy obama

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:02 am

"The 44th president inherits two wars and a recession that has wiped out millions of jobs."

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:44 am

The stuff he has to deal with coming in is unlike any other since Roosevelt.

MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:48 am

In the immortal words of Coach Jimmy McGinty, speaking to Shane Falco:

Winners always want the ball… when the game is on the line.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:16 am

He will try like hell but he won't fix much... this is stuff thats been in the workings for the last 10+ years....the flying of planes into buildings didn't help it thats for sure. He will have his try for 4 years then someone else will likely jump in give it a shot which by then projections are things will level out.

I would have to be anyone of relation to him at this point mostly his kids... look at what they will now have to go through from all the security.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:20 am

Sava700 wrote:He will have his try for 4 years then someone else will likely jump in give it a shot

He isn't even President yet and you already have him losing in 4 years? What's your basis for this?

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:29 am

Roody wrote:He isn't even President yet and you already have him losing in 4 years? What's your basis for this?

Uninformed wishful thinking, naturally.

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:33 am

Hey all I want to do is see him attempt to do everything he said he'd do. I know it's virtually impossible, then what are those folks that are looking to him as a savior going to do?

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:34 am

Roody wrote:He isn't even President yet and you already have him losing in 4 years? What's your basis for this?

Thats my opinion...

and no burke, I informed myself of my opinion thus being "informed" as for wishful thinking I bet you wish you were sitting in seat #1 with a tin foil hat on huh.

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:40 am

The unhinged, rapturous glee I've been seeing on TV the past week over Obama makes it obvious how easily an antichrist-type figure can achieve power. Bring in a "transformational" figure as things look dire and people will loose their convictions and beliefs to follow the new hope to the promised land. When it becomes clear that Obama can do very little due to the entrenched political establishment, it will be fun to watch the apologetics.

(And...I'm NOT saying Obama IS the antichrist...just to preemptively assuage some of you)

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:40 am

Sava700 wrote:Thats my opinion...

and no burke, I informed myself of my opinion thus being "informed" as for wishful thinking I bet you wish you were sitting in seat #1 with a tin foil hat on huh.

Nothing wrong with having that as an opinion, but there has to be something that drives that opinion. Is it wishful thinking like Burke stated or something in particular that he has done before he is President that drives you to think this?

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:41 am

Burke wrote:The unhinged, rapturous glee I've been seeing on TV the past week over Obama makes it obvious how easily an antichrist-type figure can achieve power. Bring in a "transformational" figure as things look dire and people will loose their convictions and beliefs to follow the new hope to the promised land. When it becomes clear that Obama can do very little due to the entrenched political establishment, it will be fun to watch the apologetics.

(And...I'm NOT saying Obama IS the antichrist...just to preemptively assuage some of you)

The press has undoubtedly put a crazy amount of pressure on the idea of a Obama presidency. Unfortunately for Obama I seriously doubt he can achieve what is being expected of him. That said he can certainly be very successful.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:43 am

Roody wrote:Nothing wrong with having that as an opinion, but there has to be something that drives that opinion. Is it wishful thinking like Burke stated or something in particular that he has done before he is President that drives you to think this?

not wishful thinking at all.. I hope he does well but I only see him in it for 4 years that's all.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:44 am

Sava700 wrote:not wishful thinking at all.. I hope he does well but I only see him in it for 4 years that's all.

Forgive me Sava, but you didn't really answer the full question. What makes you think he will be there only for 4 years?

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:47 am

Burke wrote:The unhinged, rapturous glee I've been seeing on TV the past week over Obama makes it obvious how easily an antichrist-type figure can achieve power. Bring in a "transformational" figure as things look dire and people will loose their convictions and beliefs to follow the new hope to the promised land. When it becomes clear that Obama can do very little due to the entrenched political establishment, it will be fun to watch the apologetics.

(And...I'm NOT saying Obama IS the antichrist...just to preemptively assuage some of you)

Pretty much what I was saying only put differently.

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:55 am

Roody wrote:The press has undoubtedly put a crazy amount of pressure on the idea of a Obama presidency. Unfortunately for Obama I seriously doubt he can achieve what is being expected of him. That said he can certainly be very successful.

not much will change IMO,bottom line is,he's still just a politician,which I put on the same level as lawyers.

*these are only my opinions*

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:59 am

I don't entirely disagree with you Dan. I do think Obama can bring about greater optimism then what this country is currently dealing with, but I do think it will take a couple years to see any real benefits of his Presidency.

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:00 am

Roody wrote:Obama can bring about greater optimism then what this country is currently dealing with,

well,I will say that alone will make positive changes in the country

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:03 am

Dan wrote:well,I will say that alone will make positive changes in the country

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:04 am

Roody wrote:Forgive me Sava, but you didn't really answer the full question. What makes you think he will be there only for 4 years?

There isn't a full answer?? I just don't think he will go longer than 4 years. Its a well informed opinion I'm allowed to have. I hope he does well these next 4 years.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:13 am

Sava700 wrote:There isn't a full answer?? I just don't think he will go longer than 4 years. Its a well informed opinion I'm allowed to have. I hope he does well these next 4 years.

Of course you are allowed to have it, but you still aren't answering the question. You stated it's an informed opinion and that it's not wishful thinking. What I am asking you is what is the basis for this opinion? What specifically do you think he will do that will prevent a 2nd term? That's the part you aren't answering. The way you are currently stating it you just think he won't be re-elected, but you aren't saying why other then saying "because".

Not trying to pick on you Sava I am only asking for a clarification of your own remarks.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:15 am

Sava700 wrote:There isn't a full answer?? I just don't think he will go longer than 4 years. Its a well informed opinion I'm allowed to have. I hope he does well these next 4 years.

QHow well informed? The guy hasn't even gotten into office, there are 4 years of speeches and events that need to take place before we can judge if he deserves another term.

Right now its just a guess and gut feelign from you.

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:15 am

Actually I'm really worried about Obama's security. If something were to happen to him, there would be some civil unrest.

The numbers ( if you are into that kind of thing), show reason to be alert.

I can give you one instance.

Obama is the 44th president.
MLK was killed on 4/4.

There are more , but I;ll save it for the conspiracy sub-forum.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:17 am

knightmare wrote:Actually I'm really worried about Obama's security. If something were to happen to him, there would be some civil unrest.

The numbers ( if you are into that kind of thing), show reason to be alert.

I can give you one instance.

Obama is the 44th president.
MLK was killed on 4/4.

There are more , but I;ll save it for the conspiracy sub-forum.

But Obama is only half black so that counts as 22 points only, not 44.

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:25 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:But Obama is only half black so that counts as 22 points only, not 44.

Yea like Kennedy was killed on the 22nd. 11/22

Barack Obama has 11 letters in his name.

Our world is based on numbers, while you made a nice stab at ridiculing me,
you only pointed out something different.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:26 am

Roody wrote:Of course you are allowed to have it, but you still aren't answering the question. You stated it's an informed opinion and that it's not wishful thinking. What I am asking you is what is the basis for this opinion? What specifically do you think he will do that will prevent a 2nd term? That's the part you aren't answering. The way you are currently stating it you just think he won't be re-elected, but you aren't saying why other then saying "because".

Not trying to pick on you Sava I am only asking for a clarification of your own remarks.

LOL omg.... I have a well informed gut feeling then.. he will get one term and thats it. I hope he does well in these next 4 years but I don't see much after that. My God its like you live to argue with me for some reason..

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:26 am

waffles

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:27 am

best be careful about what ya say..some guy got arrested in Mississippi for 3 posts on a forum about going after him

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:28 am

Sava700 wrote:LOL omg.... I have a well informed gut feeling then.. he will get one term and thats it. I hope he does well in these next 4 years but I don't see much after that. My God its like you live to argue with me for some reason..

*sigh*

Sava you just don't get it. I am not arguing with you. I am merely asking you to clarify your statement. You stated you had some well informed opinion before he even became President. Naturally you can't really have that so I asked you to explain your point.

Nothing more, nothing less.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:29 am

Well informed gut feeling, Sava I'll give you credit for trying to use key words and catch phrases tossed around here, but not for using them well

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:31 am

Brent wrote:In the next 4 years people will realize what kind of president they have elected, and then you won't see him return for a second term.

like Bush?

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:32 am

Roody wrote:*sigh*

Sava you just don't get it. I am not arguing with you. I am merely asking you to clarify your statement. You stated you had some well informed opinion before he even became President. Naturally you can't really have that so I asked you to explain your point.

Nothing more, nothing less.

*sigh* is right...

dude... let it go.

there is no clarify of statement...there is no explaination, it is what it is...a opinion.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:34 am

Sava700 wrote:*sigh* is right...

dude... let it go.

there is no clarify of statement...there is no explaination, it is what it is...a opinion.

Nothing more, nothing less.

I think YoS' last remark said it best. You bungled your words and we asked for a clarification. For some reason you took that as a sign of disrespect. It wasn't at all.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:35 am

Roody wrote:I think YoS' last remark said it best. You bungled your words and we asked for a clarification. For some reason you took that as a sign of disrespect. It wasn't at all.

You got what your going to get.. I'm not saying any more to start anymore of a argument with you.. LET IT GO!

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:36 am

Sava700 wrote: there is no clarify of statement...there is no explaination, it is what it is...a opinion.

Perfect! If Roody keeps asking stuff like an evil undead version of Tim Russert Just stick to that.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:37 am

I wasn't looking to start an argument with you Sava. I merely asked for a clarification of your remarks.

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:37 am

Sava700 wrote:best be careful about what ya say..some guy got arrested in Mississippi for 3 posts on a forum about going after him

Actually I supported him, & my Union was the first International Union to back him financially..etc.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:38 am

Roody wrote:I wasn't looking to start an argument with you Sava. I didn't realize asking questions about a persons statement was argumentative.

You don't know when to stop do ya?? I already told you thats all your going to get.... do you wish to continue to derail the thread for me and you to argue again? If you didn't like the answer I gave you then sorry for your luck.

But again.... LET IT GO!

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:42 am

Sava700 wrote:You don't know when to stop do ya?? I already told you thats all your going to get.... do you wish to continue to derail the thread for me and you to argue again? If you didn't like the answer I gave you then sorry for your luck.

But again.... LET IT GO!

You are overreacting to a simple question Sava. Sorry you took it the wrong way.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:42 am

Roody wrote:You are overreacting to a simple question Sava. Sorry you took it the wrong way.

No didn't take nothing the wrong way... simple question and I gave you the only simple answer you will get.

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:43 am

Sava700 wrote:LOL omg.... I have a well informed gut feeling then.. he will get one term and thats it. I hope he does well in these next 4 years but I don't see much after that. My God its like you live to argue with me for some reason..

Even though I may not agree with some of your ideals, I do see where you are coming from.

I can see why this board has died.
People have over the years developed a opinion and/or some type of animosity towards each other, and it repeatably surfaces through different threads & replies.