Gore a hypocrite like usual

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:43 am

POWER: GORE MANSION USES 20X AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD; CONSUMPTION INCREASE AFTER 'TRUTH'
Mon Feb 26 2007 17:16:14 ET

The Tennessee Center for Policy Research, an independent, nonprofit and nonpartisan research organization committed to achieving a freer, more prosperous Tennessee through free market policy solutions, issued a press release late Monday:

Last night, Al Gore’s global-warming documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, collected an Oscar for best documentary feature, but the Tennessee Center for Policy Research has found that Gore deserves a gold statue for hypocrisy.

Gore’s mansion, [20-room, eight-bathroom] located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES).

In his documentary, the former Vice President calls on Americans to conserve energy by reducing electricity consumption at home.

The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh—more than 20 times the national average.

Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh—guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore’s average monthly electric bill topped $1,359.

Since the release of An Inconvenient Truth, Gore’s energy consumption has increased from an average of 16,200 kWh per month in 2005, to 18,400 kWh per month in 2006.

Gore’s extravagant energy use does not stop at his electric bill. Natural gas bills for Gore’s mansion and guest house averaged $1,080 per month last year.

“As the spokesman of choice for the global warming movement, Al Gore has to be willing to walk to walk, not just talk the talk, when it comes to home energy use,” said Tennessee Center for Policy Research President Drew Johnson.

In total, Gore paid nearly $30,000 in combined electricity and natural gas bills for his Nashville estate in 2006.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm

politics as usual

Lefty · Post by **Lefty** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:53 am

What do you expect, its a mansion and he is a politician. Always someone visiting, always a party or fundraiser going on for one thing or another. Sounds reasonable to me. If I had a mansion I would expect to shell out big bucks on utilities.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:00 am

well politics in that he is making tons of money off this..and not doing what he wants other people to do

Lefty · Post by **Lefty** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:08 am

Ghosthunter wrote:well politics in that he is making tons of money off this..and not doing what he wants other people to do

Its not so much his home as it is a convention center for entertaining. It does not equate. If you think of it as a convention center you would not have a problem with the bill.

minir · Post by **minir** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:13 am

Hi Ghosthunter

Its typical in the "Do as i say, not as i do" scenarios presented by most politicos.

I'm sure you'd be hard pressed to find many, if any, Energy Saving Lights or Solar Panels their. Energy Flow Shower Heads are probably not much in use in the 8 Bathrooms either.

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minir

David · Post by **David** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:49 am

Let the smearing continue!

TonyT · Post by **TonyT** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:02 am

10 bucks says that mansion has power flush 2 gallon commodes too! As you may know, all of us in the US now are limited to those disfunctional Al Gore 1.5 gallon commodes that take 2 flushes to clear a good AM deposit, doubling our water consumption.

David · Post by **David** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:03 am

Hypocrites calling hypocrites, hypocrites.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:08 am

minir wrote:Hi Ghosthunter

Its typical in the "Do as i say, not as i do" scenarios presented by most politicos.

I'm sure you'd be hard pressed to find many, if any, Energy Saving Lights or Solar Panels their. Energy Flow Shower Heads are probably not much in use in the 8 Bathrooms either.

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minir

LOL so true!

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:10 am

Hell_Yes wrote:Hypocrites calling hypocrites, hypocrites.

it's like a merry go round ...weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:23 am

After the movie won a couple of awards, who's surprised that this "old" story isn't circulating again? I do expect to see more as multinationals gear up for the onslaught of world support to slow down carbon emissions.

Gore is going to be at the front of the smear..

Who out of all of you have actually watched "An Inconvenient Truth"?

If you haven't, I'm not sure you qualify to pass judgment on Gore's message.

Then again the Gore smear is run by big oil, big energy. It's fueled through the same mechanism used to always smear Gore. Right wing radio, Fox and RNC talking points.

It's not so much as what Gore has or what he's doing....it's the message in general.

Who would you believe? Quite a few of the leading scientists on the subject? Or talking heads? Who are the more qualified to make this judgment?

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:24 am

Yeah hes got more than the average size house so hes gonna use more.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:27 am

downhill wrote:After the movie won a couple of awards, who's surprised that this "old" story isn't circulating again? I do expect to see more as multinationals gear up for the onslaught of world support to slow down carbon emissions.

Gore is going to be at the front of the smear..

Who out of all of you have actually watched "An Inconvenient Truth"?

If you haven't, I'm not sure you qualify to pass judgment on Gore's message.

Then again the Gore smear is run by big oil, big energy. It's fueled through the same mechanism used to always smear Gore. Right wing radio, Fox and RNC talking points.

It's not so much as what Gore has or what he's doing....it's the message in general.

Who would you believe? Quite a few of the leading scientists on the subject? Or talking heads? Who are the more qualified to make this judgment?

Yeah, my thoughts also ...this story is almost as old as DH ..... I mean of course it was going to come up .....and the fact it was posted by a republican puppet doesn't surprise me either.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:38 am

downhill wrote:After the movie won a couple of awards, who's surprised that this "old" story isn't circulating again? I do expect to see more as multinationals gear up for the onslaught of world support to slow down carbon emissions.

Gore is going to be at the front of the smear..

Who out of all of you have actually watched "An Inconvenient Truth"?

If you haven't, I'm not sure you qualify to pass judgment on Gore's message.

Then again the Gore smear is run by big oil, big energy. It's fueled through the same mechanism used to always smear Gore. Right wing radio, Fox and RNC talking points.

It's not so much as what Gore has or what he's doing....it's the message in general.

Who would you believe? Quite a few of the leading scientists on the subject? Or talking heads? Who are the more qualified to make this judgment?

Gore is making tons of money off his supposed gloal conspiracy warming

and he doesnt really need a huge mansion if he cares about the environment so much but like usual the liberals love it so typical

this is not an old story it was just released

http://www.tennesseepolicy.org/main/art ... cle_id=367

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:42 am

Ghosthunter wrote:Gore is making tons of money off his supposed gloal conspiracy warming

and he doesnt really need a huge mansion if he cares about the environment so much but like usual the liberals love it so typical

this is not an old story it was just released

http://www.tennesseepolicy.org/main/art ... cle_id=367

It's still a "conspiracy" to you despite the fact 3/4 of the globe has agreed that it's a problem? Who's the theorist now? You are a walking contradiction.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:45 am

Izzo wrote:It's still a "conspiracy" to you despite the fact 3/4 of the globe has agreed that it's a problem? Who's the theorist now? You are a walking contradiction.

i am waiting for real scientific proof, not political bias agenda from left wing liberals who think they are saving the world but meanwhile need a plant themselves just to run enough elctircity for thier own mansiaon

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:53 am

Ghosthunter wrote:i am waiting for real scientific proof, not political bias agenda from left wing liberals who think they are saving the world

It's already been and this discussion has already been had.....we've given you the evidence and you just beleive it's more conspiracy (ironic eh?)

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:53 am

Ghosthunter wrote:Gore is making tons of money off his supposed gloal conspiracy warming

and he doesnt really need a huge mansion if he cares about the environment so much but like usual the liberals love it so typical

this is not an old story it was just released

http://www.tennesseepolicy.org/main/art ... cle_id=367

No it's an old story in that your guys are going after him. First it was his cars and the houses he owns. There isn't any difference.

Secondly........even you hero, G.W. Bush......is on board that indeed GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL. Why are you still spouting the OLD party line? Get on board man......

The new arguement is if it's man caused. Strike one for the multinationals and big energy.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:55 am

Izzo wrote:It's already been and this discussion has already been had.....we've given you the evidence and you just beleive it's more conspiracy (ironic eh?)

no not all scientists agree, there are people on both sides of the fence

anyway you are taking this thread into a global warming debate which was not my intention

it was to show that when you have people like Gore who on a crusade to saving the world from global warming they need to look at what they can do first and be the example but all he really cares about is getting more moeny in his pocket he is making a ton off of this

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:58 am

downhill wrote:No it's an old story in that your guys are going after him. First it was his cars and the houses he owns. There isn't any difference.

Secondly........even you hero, G.W. Bush......is on board that indeed GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL. Why are you still spouting the OLD party line? Get on board man......

The new arguement is if it's man caused. Strike one for the multinationals and big energy.

bush is not my hero far from it..but i think he was a way batter choice then kerry

and at least he has the guts to fight global terrrorism unlike clinton

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:58 am

Ghosthunter wrote:no not all scientists agree, there are people on both sides of the fence

Which scientist/s disagrees?

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:58 am

downhill wrote:No it's an old story in that your guys are going after him. First it was his cars and the houses he owns. There isn't any difference.

Secondly........even you hero, G.W. Bush......is on board that indeed GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL. Why are you still spouting the OLD party line? Get on board man......

The new arguement is if it's man caused. Strike one for the multinationals and big energy.

He wants REAL proof ....as if he's going to examine it and conduct studies of his own and then outline the loopholes in the theory.......REAL proof I would assume would be something that comes from his daddy/rabbi or imaginary friend.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:00 am

Izzo wrote:..REAL proof I would assume would be something that comes from his daddy/rabbi or imaginary friend.

what is with all the cheap shots??

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:02 am

Ghosthunter wrote:what is with all the cheap shots??

What's "real proof" to you?

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:02 am

Ghost hunter wrote:i am waiting for real scientific proof, not political bias agenda from left wing liberals who think they are saving the world but meanwhile need a plant themselves just to run enough elctircity for thier own mansiaon

I do feel sorry for you. It's not [hannity voice] liberal left wingers[/hannity voice] who all have this opinion. Do you think for one second that the elite of the scientific community who've been studying this for years are ALL liberals? I'd say it's a half and half mix.

The idea is just plain silly.

It's money involved. LOTS of money and a huge change in lifestyle that to keep the economies of the world from collapsing, need to be implemented over time. Waiting till it's WAY to late will really cause a collapse of not just world economies but all social aspects of how we live, learn, and proper will suffer too.

You'll have your granddaughter sitting on your lap someday, and she'll look up at you with those soft blue eyes a say...

"Grandpa?, I did a google search for Ghosthunter and found this archive site called Speedguide. How could you have been bought so easily by Exxon?"

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:04 am

downhill wrote:I do feel sorry for you. It's not [hannity voice] liberal left wingers[/hannity voice] who all have this opinion. Do you think for one second that the elite of the scientific community who've been studying this for years are ALL liberals? I'd say it's a half and half mix.

The idea is just plain silly.

It's money involved. LOTS of money and a huge change in lifestyle that to keep the ecomomies of the world from collsasping, need to be implimented over time. Waiting till it's WAY to late will really cause a colaspe of not just world ecomomies but all social aspects of how we live, learn, and proper will suffer too.

You'll have your granddaugher sitting on your lap someday, and she'll look up at you with those soft blue eyes a say...

"Grandpa?, I did a google search for Ghosthunter and found this archive site called Speedguide. How could you have been bought so easily by Exxon?"

i think the world will be overtaken by radical islamo facist before that even happens

becuase we are too busy worrying about something that might happen in a few hundred years

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:06 am

Ghosthunter wrote:it was to show that when you have people like Gore who on a crusade to saving the world from global warming they need to look at what they can do first and be the example but all he really cares about is getting more moeny in his pocket he is making a ton off of this

Ya, and thats pretty poorly based so we've moved on.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:15 am

I'm going to back Al on this one, even if he is using more than the average American he is doing so because his consumption is helping to spread the word to others about how the world will turn into an inferno if we don't control our emissions. So if he uses and extra 1000kwh's each month, his work will save millions of kwh's. He needs to live a comfortable life in order to be at the top of his game while promoting his books and movies.......errrrrr I mean he needs to be in top form to help spread the word to save the earth. With out Al we will all burn up from global warming or drown first because the polar ice caps are melting.

/sarcasm

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:40 am

I'm not going to give Mr. Gore a pass just because he has a mansion and entertains political constituents there. Perception is reality in politics, and it looks hypocritical for him to expound on the subject while all the free computers he's gotten from being a board member of Apple run all night at his crib. The Gore-DiCaprio 2008 ticket America was treated to during the Oscars ceremony was also pretty disgusting, and Hollywood should be ashamed of itself (the irony is boundless in that statement, I know) for allowing such a political stunt on stage.

That being said, and I hate to break this to the doubters, humans ARE contributing to global warming. We're definitely not the sole cause, as natural processes trump ours handily. No one knew during the industrial revolution how powerfully pollution could amplify the natural process of warming, but now we do, and we can take steps to lessen the impact. No, everyone on earth recycling their cans and hairspray usage won't change things overnight, and for all we know, a long-term, sustained effort may only reduce warming by tiny fraction. Yet when the blanket refusal comes from the same people who swear up and down that your single vote can change the political landscape, there's as healthy a dose of hypocrisy there as there is in the fat-cat world of Al Gore.

I know there are many people of the "Center for Science in the Public Interest" type who don't care as much about reducing human contributions as they do about controlling our choices and actions. But there are also people who really believe they can make a difference, and they live what they "preach." Their zeal is no worse than wanting to share the message of your religious faith, party platform, or personal opinion on mundane subjects; there are always both temperate and militant believers.

Gore is a both a hypocrite and a victim of the absolutist approach to ethics. "Well, if you really believe it, then you should not use any electricity at all, or drive a car." Yes, he may really want to motivate people to action. Yes, he might just be doing it because he's always wanted to have a key issue to define his public life. Yes, scientists disagree on the veracity of the arguments on both sides, but that's nothing new. And yes, it can get extremely annoying.

However, it is impossible for any rational and honest human being to look at massive traffic jams and not admit that millions of cars spewing crap from their tailpipes probably isn't a good thing for the environment or that companies dumping waste materials into rivers doesn't affect ecosystems. You can be anti-liberal all you want, yet in the end, the effects of warming aren't going to care what side of the political aisle you're on.

The great curse of America is that we tend to wait until the **** hits the fan to rally to action; how about we pull ourselves out of the selfish vortex and at least let the man have his voice, just as we all have ours.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:45 am

Burke wrote: That being said, and I hate to break this to the doubters, humans ARE contributing to global warming. .

i will give you that every time i fart i am sure it adding up to the global warming.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:49 am

Ghosthunter wrote:i will give you that every time i fart i am sure it adding up to the global warming.

What about when you rub your hands together really fast?

triniwasp · Post by **triniwasp** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:36 am

Even if you think Global Warming is BS, it is necessary for the health of our planet and the survival of our species to live "green". The Earth has a finite amount of resources, but our lust four energy seems infinite.

Zilog B · Post by **Zilog B** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:38 am

Grow lights

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:39 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:What about when you rub your hands together really fast?

erosion ?

David · Post by **David** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:35 pm

Having a mansion is the tool of his trade if it is for entertainment/political purposes. Indeed, he should be able to demonstrate some form of alternative energy, albeit token, to pardon the excess.
If he is a victim of absolutism, it is by having to have an unskirtable opinion. The public likes black and white, decisive behavior (To wit, the demise of candidate Kerry). If he is painted a hypocrite it is verily by him not doing his homework. The democrats have been quite short sighted in their recent preparation of hopefuls.
I must concur with Burke regarding the former vice president nuzzling with the Hollywood clan. It is cloying and despicable to pander to the public in such a manner.

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:53 pm

Well said Burke, I enjoyed reading that.

I would however be tempted to give Gore at least some benefit of the doubt. It's a big home with lots of visitors. You understand well the level of "amenities" that the potential campaign contributors expect, and not doing that would be costly to his livelihood.

As far as the global warming statements, you distilled what I consider common sense into a tidy few sentences. Hope ya don't mind if I steal some of that text.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:41 pm

GWB > Al Gore!

http://www.plentymag.com/thecurrent/200 ... _green.php

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:44 pm

Prey521 wrote:GWB(George Washington Bridge) > Internet!

No.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:46 pm

minir · Post by **minir** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:35 pm

I myself have no problem with the message, as i believe it to be correct, i do however have a problem with the fact the deliverer is not heeding his own message nor setting an example, by taking steps to make his own house less energy demanding.

One would think that would have been part of his message in the first place.

The Oscar's lessened his impact in many peoples mind imho as well.

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minir