for you "Eat healthy", nuts

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:55 pm

Organic 'has no health benefits'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8174482.stm

tarpoon75 · Post by **tarpoon75** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:58 pm

I thought the reason for organic food was to avoid the chemicals and such, not because "they are better for you"?

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:09 pm

tarpoon75 wrote:I thought the reason for organic food was to avoid the chemicals and such, not because "they are better for you"?

The only food that I would consider organic is the food that I grow in my own backyard, if I had one.

I will never believe that the raw stuff people buy in the organic section of markets is really "organic" or chemical free. Put that damn label on it and they can charge more money. It is all about business.

SlyOneDoofy · Post by **SlyOneDoofy** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:46 pm

tarpoon75 wrote:I thought the reason for organic food was to avoid the chemicals and such, not because "they are better for you"?

Actually...not using pesticides can make plants more toxic. Plants produce chemicals to respond to surrounding elements. If a bug has been killed by a pesticide the plant does not need to produce a chemical to stop the bug.

TonyT · Post by **TonyT** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:58 pm

Certain pesticides and fertilizers in vegetables can accumulate in the body. Over time, the minute quantities build up and some can cause side effects, such as tiredness, fogginess, low energy level, even serious health problems in some hyper-sensitive folks.

That's the main reason to eat organic produce.

How you cook the produce has more of an effect upon it's nutritional value. Veggies should be par-cooked. Steam some broccoli for 10 minutes and you just lost all the vitamins in it. May as well eat mush.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:03 pm

Gixxer wrote:Organic 'has no health benefits'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8174482.stm

Really, what did the Indians do?

chimdogger · Post by **chimdogger** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:19 pm

JawZ wrote:Really, what did the Indians do?

They lost 9-3 against the Angels. They stink this year.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:40 pm

chimdogger wrote:They lost 9-3 against the Angels. They stink this year.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:56 pm

chimdogger wrote:They lost 9-3 against the Angels. They stink this year.

Any team that isn't the Yankees sucks every year.

In any case, the question remains...what did the Native American Indians do?

Most of our ancestors were able to survive on all organic, just as they survived without air conditioning, indoor heat, plumbing, chlorinated/flouridated water, electricity, etc.

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:00 pm

JawZ wrote:Any team that isn't the Yankees sucks every year.

In any case, the question remains...what did the Native American Indians do?

Most of our ancestors were able to survive on all organic, just as they survived without air conditioning, indoor heat, plumbing, chlorinated/flouridated water, electricity, etc.

Indians and no air conditioning: They ended up sweating their cohones off and jumped in the lake to cool down.

Indians and no indoor heat: They used animal skins in layers to keep warm.

Indians and no plumbing: They buried thier poo?

Indians and no flouidated water: They lost their teeth at a younger age?

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:10 pm

Debbie wrote:Indians and no air conditioning: They ended up sweating their cohones off and jumped in the lake to cool down.

Indians and no indoor heat: They used animal skins in layers to keep warm.

Indians and no plumbing: They buried thier poo?

Indians and no flouidated water: They lost their teeth at a younger age?

And imagine, some toothless poo slinging hump gave rise to the likes of you. You are only here, because your ancestors survived. Imagine that. People using natural methods to accomplish the same exact things we expect today.

If I were to give you all natural products instead of all the chemically enhanced and treated products that you use today and then set down a pill that contains all of the chemicals that were withheld from the products, would you take the pill?

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:24 pm

JawZ wrote:And imagine, some toothless poo slinging hump gave rise to the likes of you.

It would be alright because I would be a toothless poo slinger too.

I am still at work...I'm out of here. Laterz.

Humboldt · Post by **Humboldt** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:30 pm

Obviously one can find "news" articles that support whatever stance they want:

Did you know that if you consumed an average apple you would be eating over 30 pesticides, even after you have washed it?

Organic food is known to contain 50% more nutrients, minerals and vitamins than produce that has been intensively farmed.

http://www.organicfoodinfo.net/

Regardless, organic produce has benefits in that it tends to be fresher, can support local economies and small farmers, and it has a much smaller impact on the energy consumption needed to get it from the dirt to the table.

If given the choice I'd rather buy something that was grown 10 miles away and picked yesterday instead of something that was grown 2500 miles away before being picked a week ago and trucked across the US before appearing on the shelf.

Why the look down on people that choose organic foods Gix?

Humboldt · Post by **Humboldt** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:31 pm

Debbie wrote:
Indians and no plumbing: They buried thier poo?

That's what the dogs were for. And then they made good dinner

David · Post by **David** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:05 pm

JawZ wrote:And imagine, some toothless poo slinging hump gave rise to the likes of you. You are only here, because your ancestors survived. Imagine that. People using natural methods to accomplish the same exact things we expect today.

If I were to give you all natural products instead of all the chemically enhanced and treated products that you use today and then set down a pill that contains all of the chemicals that were withheld from the products, would you take the pill?

With a diet scant in refined carbohydrates, the primitive cultures do not have as much trouble with dental caries.

OSULLY · Post by **OSULLY** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:20 pm

Oh yum give me those inorganic veggies any day.

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:51 am

Debbie wrote:The only food that I would consider organic is the food that I grow in my own backyard, if I had one.

I will never believe that the raw stuff people buy in the organic section of markets is really "organic" or chemical free. Put that damn label on it and they can charge more money. It is all about business.

"It is all about business."

Of course it is, but just because it is about business that does not mean it is all a hoax. The organic label actually means something.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 6:49 am

Humboldt wrote:Obviously one can find "news" articles that support whatever stance they want:

http://www.organicfoodinfo.net/

Regardless, organic produce has benefits in that it tends to be fresher, can support local economies and small farmers, and it has a much smaller impact on the energy consumption needed to get it from the dirt to the table.

If given the choice I'd rather buy something that was grown 10 miles away and picked yesterday instead of something that was grown 2500 miles away before being picked a week ago and trucked across the US before appearing on the shelf.

Why the look down on people that choose organic foods Gix?

I'll take organic free range chicken over that yellow/orange fast grown purdue chicken any day of the week.

I'll take organic free range beef the same way.

Local farm fresh veggies from the local farmers market

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:16 am

jeremyboycool wrote:"It is all about business."

Of course it is, but just because it is about business that does not mean it is all a hoax. The organic label actually means something.

Sorry...labels don't mean a thing to me. They do not prove anything.

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:57 am

JawZ wrote:Really, what did the Indians do?

From what the 'net yields they died around age 40...that's what.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:16 am

brembo wrote:From what the 'net yields they died around age 40...that's what.

And what did they die of? After the white man came, they died from European diseases and conflict.

Anthropologists have shown that Indians didn't die from chemically treated food or organic food for that matter. They died from starvation. Indians used rocks to grind their flour which picked up bits of sand. As they ate their food, the sand wore down their teeth. As their teeth wore down, they were unable to chew food and died of starvation.

So the point still stands, humans have evolved through time by eating natural foods.

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:35 am

JawZ wrote:And what did they die of? After the white man came, they died from European diseases and conflict.

The information I dug up was using burial sites prior to the time the Euros showed up.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:54 am

brembo wrote:The information I dug up was using burial sites prior to the time the Euros showed up.

So was mine. The point still stands. Indians were not dying from food.

Most humans, including prehistoric hominids, did not have diets high in sugar...so dental cavities weren't a huge problem. The common trait found, ground teeth due to stone ground flour and other foods.

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:20 pm

Debbie wrote:Sorry...labels don't mean a thing to me. They do not prove anything.

"Sorry...labels don't mean a thing to me."

Well, if you would read up on the subject you might understand what the label means.

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:28 pm

jeremyboycool wrote:"Sorry...labels don't mean a thing to me."

Well, if you would read up on the subject you might understand what the label means.

I don't believe everything I read.

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:02 pm

Debbie wrote:I don't believe everything I read.

I am not suggesting you should. I would suggest that you actually do some studying before you criticize so harshly.

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:34 pm

jeremyboycool wrote:I am not suggesting you should. I would should suggest that you actually do some studying before you criticize so harshly.

I have nothing against organic products nor am I criticizing them. I just don't believe the labels that a product is organic. If I grow it myself, it's all good.

I am only following my gut intuition with this one. I am sorry you think it is harsh criticism just because I don't agree with you.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:06 pm

Debbie wrote:I have nothing against organic products nor am I criticizing them. I just don't believe the labels that a product is organic. If I grow it myself, it's all good.

I am only following my gut intuition with this one. I am sorry you think it is harsh criticism just because I don't agree with you.

There is some merit to what you have said...look at Natural Spring Water for example. Some of the companies get the water straight from the tap. They just give it a natural sounding name.

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:18 pm

JawZ wrote:There is some merit to what you have said...look at Natural Spring Water for example. Some of the companies get the water straight from the tap. They just give it a natural sounding name.

...and make a lot of $$$$$ from it!!!

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:49 pm

Aren't there rules that you can only use so much chemical **** and call it organic?

So its not really pure "organic"

TonyT · Post by **TonyT** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 6:47 pm

USDA Certicied Organic

Then again, canned & processed foods (vegetables, soups, stews) are allowed to contain petrcentages of roaches, dirt, and other stuff you don't want to know about.

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:39 am

Debbie wrote:I have nothing against organic products nor am I criticizing them. I just don't believe the labels that a product is organic. If I grow it myself, it's all good.

I am only following my gut intuition with this one. I am sorry you think it is harsh criticism just because I don't agree with you.

"because I don't agree with you"

Don't pretend to understand me.

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:42 am

JawZ wrote:There is some merit to what you have said...look at Natural Spring Water for example. Some of the companies get the water straight from the tap. They just give it a natural sounding name.

"There is some merit"

Yes, "some"; that was my point.

De Plano · Post by **De Plano** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:33 pm

I have heard "organic dairy" is not really that organic. I just try and avoid the hormone laden stuff. I trust it more when they don't pretend to be organic and just say they don't treat it with hormones.

Horizon I have heard some bad stuff about (keeping the cows on concrete and feeding them standard grains)