Saddam Is Saddone!

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:11 pm

Just confirmed on the news!

Dakota · Post by **Dakota** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:11 pm

Yup. As of about 9:57pm EST.

Correction: Looks like about 10:05 pm EST.

Humboldt · Post by **Humboldt** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:28 pm

Humboldt · Post by **Humboldt** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:30 pm

Arab TV stations report Hussein hanged

Former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein has been executed, according to two Arabic language media outlets. Earlier, an Iraqi judge told CNN Hussein would be hanged before dawn on Saturday in Iraq, (10 p.m. Friday ET). The former president was convicted of crimes against humanity in connection with the killings of 148 people in Dujail

looks that way

Dakota · Post by **Dakota** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:32 pm

The immensely sad thing about all this is there are so, so many people on the planet with so, so much hate. That hate is hideously worse than any nuclear weapon, bomb, bullet, rock or stick.

But, this kind of hate and genocide has been oddly consistent through the existence of mankind on this planet. How is it that a child is born and then commits such massive killings? How does a person grow up like that? That just baffles my mind.

Saddam deserved his execution, but I am beside myself that people like this exist and can execute so, so many people that look to him for governing.

It does not get more sick than that.

An extremely more sad point is there are many, many more like Saddam out there wishing death, violent, horrible death upon many people.

Strikingly sad.

sito · Post by **sito** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:51 pm

Dakota wrote:The immensely sad thing about all this is there are so, so many people on the planet with so, so much hate. That hate is hideously worse than any nuclear weapon, bomb, bullet, rock or stick.

But, this kind of hate and genocide has been oddly consistent through the existence of mankind on this planet. How is it that a child is born and then commits such massive killings? How does a person grow up like that? That just baffles my mind.

Saddam deserved his execution, but I am beside myself that people like this exist and can execute so, so many people that look to him for governing.

It does not get more sick than that.

An extremely more sad point is there are many, many more like Saddam out there wishing death, violent, horrible death upon many people.

Strikingly sad.

It all starts when they're too young to understand and/or draw their own conclusions from what they've seen and experience. Take away any alternative viewpoints and a monster is born. Add some greed and power along with that hate and voila! My 2 cents.

Oh, add lack of education of the world in there too.

He sucked anyway.

A_old · Post by **A_old** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:12 pm

sad but i'm glad he's gone. that guy was ruthless.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:14 pm

good now maybe we can pull out of Iraq.. wasting too many lives and tax money over there.. let them take care of it like they took care of him.

sito · Post by **sito** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:16 pm

Sava700 wrote:good now maybe we can pull out of Iraq.. wasting too many lives and tax money over there.. let them take care of it like they took care of him.

Maybe by 2010 you'll get your wish.

David · Post by **David** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:25 pm

sito wrote:It all starts when they're too young to understand and/or draw their own conclusions from what they've seen and experience. Take away any alternative viewpoints and a monster is born. Add some greed and power along with that hate and voila! My 2 cents.

Oh, add lack of education of the world in there too.

He sucked anyway.

Typically, we know what we are told. It is why any of us can make suppositions without bearing witness.

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:47 pm

I'm finding the giddy glee from Americans over this execution to be pretty disgusting. Cheering?

BaghDaddy · Post by **BaghDaddy** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:05 am

Burke wrote:I'm finding the giddy glee from Americans over this execution to be pretty disgusting. Cheering?

Burke, not many things i agree on that you post but this one i will agree with you 100%.

Sito, i could of not said it better then did you did in your replies.

Happy New Years to all of SG, will be away for a while time to get back to work.

BaghDaddy

De Oppresso Liber

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:09 am

Yay ?

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:10 am

Burke wrote:I'm finding the giddy glee from Americans over this execution to be pretty disgusting. Cheering?

Oh really now, disgusting? This man was a monster, he was so horribe that calling him human is stretching matters. A lot of good people died because he was alive, directly and indirectly. He is gone now and that is a good thing.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:26 am

Wonder how long it will take for the video to make it on YouTube?

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:28 am

Roody wrote:Wonder how long it will take for the video to make it on YouTube?

End of the weekend I would bet!

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:31 am

The scene of the hanging

Paft · Post by **Paft** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:20 am

Burke wrote:I'm finding the giddy glee from Americans over this execution to be pretty disgusting. Cheering?

Amen to that. We say that Saddam was so horrible that he "wasn't human", but then we turn right around and cheer at his death.

Consider the country though. The United States - the land of hypocrates.

RoscoPColtrane · Post by **RoscoPColtrane** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:43 am

Paft wrote: Consider the country though. The United States - the land of hypocrates.

What the f ever man. What country doesn't have hypocrates?

Weeee he is toast, shoulda killed him the first time we were in his danged country. maybe we wouldn't have to still be there.

They should line up all of these monsters....

Joint Chiefs of Staff · Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:08 am

We are in a heighten state of alert over here so I stayed home today. No need to be a possible target to and from base. Besides I have 1 sick day left to burn before the start of the New Year.

Good riddance to Saddam. Maybe just maybe there can be some light at the end of the tunnel so the world can go back to a peaceful state.

Paft · Post by **Paft** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:21 am

RoscoPColtrane wrote:What the f ever man. What country doesn't have hypocrates?

Weeee he is toast, shoulda killed him the first time we were in his danged country. maybe we wouldn't have to still be there.

They should line up all of these monsters....

Considering that it was a lie from our president who brought us to Iraq in the first place, you might want to point the finger of blame elsewhere.

Joint Chiefs of Staff · Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:41 am

Paft wrote:Considering that it was a lie from our president who brought us to Iraq in the first place, you might want to point the finger of blame elsewhere.

In all fairness Paft I don't like Bush Jr. but I did like his father. On that note.

Remember, the writers of the Constitution lived in a time when powerful kings, czars, and emperors ruled nearly all the countries of the world. The writers of the Constitution had come to this country to avoid such rulers and wanted to avoid the possibility of any one person seeking to have all the power of government in this new land.

Taken from here: http://www.courts.michigan.gov/lc-galle ... s-govt.htm

Everyone can be blamed for Iraq...everyone including the people that voted for the president. That includes the people, the citizens that did not cast a vote.

Bush is one person (read above) and Congress had more of a say on invading Iraq then just one man.

sito · Post by **sito** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:49 am

RoscoPColtrane wrote:
Weeee he is toast, shoulda killed him the first time we were in his danged country. maybe we wouldn't have to still be there.

I agree, that woulda been the best thing. Imagine if he was assasinated early.

He certainly should have been.

I like his complete hate for the nutbar in Iran. Damn Saddam hates Iran! Now that as a death speech was fabulous... made me laugh at least and that's the dude he was hating when you all invaded.

I DUNNO!

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:26 am

I'm sad, now there wont be any more cool saddam .gifs

minir · Post by **minir** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:37 am

If Saddam's acts of terror against the peoples of Iraq & its neighbours does not justify his demise, then i don't know what would.

He was tried and convicted by a Court of Law, found guilty and summarily Hanged. Justice was dispensed imho.

As to celebrations by some over his death, they have just reason in most cases to do so imho.

"Now, he is in the garbage of history," said Jawad Abdul-Aziz, who lost his father, three brothers and 22 cousins in the reprisal killings that followed a botched 1982 assassination attempt against Saddam in the Shiite town of Dujail.

I personally don't think he was the type of person you'd want running for Head of the School-board in the new Iraq.

--

minir

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:46 am

sito wrote:Maybe by 2010 you'll get your wish.

we will be lucky to get out of there by 2010...remember, terroists\jihadists\ or whatever they call themselves have been around and fighting like this for decades. if you think that they will stop in 2010 you have another thing coming. with the US in iraq and in afgan it seems they are even more determined...bad for us=long occupation in both countries.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:47 am

Paft wrote:Considering that it was a lie from our president who brought us to Iraq in the first place, you might want to point the finger of blame elsewhere.

I am with you on that Paft, but even if we never went to Iraq the death of Saddam is far from a bad thing. His actions as a leader were appalling. He committed genocide against his own people and did it at an alarming rate. Can't say that I would go out in the streets and party that he is dead, but his death certainly doesn't make me sad.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:48 am

who is you all?

sito wrote: when you all invaded.

I DUNNO!

sito · Post by **sito** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:19 am

Gixxer wrote:who is you all?

Well what I mean is in Saddam's "last words" he mentions the devil in Iran and never to unite with them. The very problem of Iran wasn't much to the US while Saddam ws around... etc... bahhahahahha omg it's funny

Get it?

sito · Post by **sito** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:19 am

Gixxer wrote:we will be lucky to get out of there by 2010...remember, terroists\jihadists\ or whatever they call themselves have been around and fighting like this for decades. if you think that they will stop in 2010 you have another thing coming. with the US in iraq and in afgan it seems they are even more determined...bad for us=long occupation in both countries.

Um.. ya.

sito · Post by **sito** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:24 am

Gixxer wrote:who is you all?

You put him in power and removed him? eh? still don't get it?

NM

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:22 am

Liveleak.com has quite a few vids of him gettin prepped for the execution (he refused to don the hood), Iraqi's celebrating and of his body after the execution.

Joint Chiefs of Staff · Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:58 am

Prey521 wrote:Liveleak.com has quite a few vids of him gettin prepped for the execution (he refused to don the hood), Iraqi's celebrating and of his body after the execution.

Yeah saw that on CNN Europe. They also viewed a video clip taken from a camera phone of him being wrapped in a white shroud after the event. You can visibly tell his neck was twisted from the angle of the head in relation to his body.

Randy · Post by **Randy** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:07 pm

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:20 pm

This is all a very complex situation and it is still unfolding.

The execution of Saddam has many implications. The most important at stake here, is the identity of Iraq.

Under Saddam, Iraq was unified...at least in war. Sunni and Shiite Muslims fought side by side against Iran for years. Without Saddam, who will the people conform to? Conform....pretty important word if you do the research. People need to conform. It's how Hitler came to power. It's a basic need. It's group dynamics at work. In Iraq, the group norm was being part of the Baath party. Why do you think all of the Iraqi school teachers were part of the Baath party? They knew it was wrong, but they did it anyway...in order to survive. Same for the Nazi's.

When Iraq was liberated (if that term even applies as I feel as has been imprisioned by violence) the Baath loyalists as well as the Iraqi military WANTED to conform to the ideals of the United States. Now here is where the Us went terribly wrong....and everyone here needs to understand this...L. Paul Bremmer would not allow former Baath party members or the Iraqi military to be part of the new coalition. It was one of the first Coalition Provisional Authority resolutions. Translation: We put hundreds of thousands young men on the streets with no jobs and no hope. 36 hours after this resolution was made....two things happened. The first of the suicide attacks began, not by terrorists of Bin Laden, but by these disgruntled Iraqi's who wanted to conform but were denied. The second thing that happened was that all of the important players within the US government, both civilian and military LEFT their posts. All the top military leaders got on planes within 24 hours, came home and retired. they knew it was wrong to forsake the Iraqi military and advised Bremmer against doing so....but Bremmer did it anyway. So in the end, we fed this "resistance" every reason for hating us. We could have had the aid of the Iraqi military in keeping the peace in Iraq during it's reconstruction. So much for that.

This brings me to the most important part of my post.

As I watch CNN last night after the execution, CNN had interviewed Iraqi expatriates in Michigan. They got the camera on the Imam and his reason for his jubilant displays was..."REVENGE".

I was shocked hearing that from a religious leader and so was everybody else on CNN.

So now the group dynamic in Iraq has devolved into conforming to an ideal of revenge. Sectarian violence is at an all time high and people will conform to survive. Which end of the suicide bomb do you want to be on? Sunni or Shiite? I can tell you without a doubt that people will conform to the group dynamic or norm which keeps them alive and insures their survival...no matter how wrong it is.

Saddam ruled under a secular government. His final words are prophetic in a sense. He said that Iran was the nation of Satan. I actually believe that this was a veil for the true meaning of his words in this: The majority of the Arab radicals are Sunni and if the people of Iraq allow themselves to conform to the ideals of Iran, they will be lead further down the path to sectarian violence. Saddam was a Sunni, yet he ruled in a secular fashion. He knew that it was more important to have a national identity as an Iraqi over the identity of Sunni, Shiite, or Kurd.

So the big question now is....what will the Iraqi people conform to? I'm afraid it will be the ideal of revenge and what makes me really angry, is that our troops will be caught in the middle of it all.

Is the death of Saddam worth the blood of more American troops?

Ask yourself that question and get back to me.

There is an old saying that goes something like this: A society will be judged by the way it treats it's worst offenders.

I don't know why, but I feel bad when I watch the noose being placed around his neck. When I look into his eyes, I see a little boy that was lead astray. People aren't born monsters. Look into any child's eyes and you'll know that. This doesn't mean that I didn't want to see Saddam held accountable, but I did hold out for hope that he would show remorse and beg for true forgiveness.

Forgiveness doesn't fuel revenge.

Don't take my comments too seriously...I'm just another idiot on the net trying to navigate his way through life and doing so out loud.

Shinobi · Post by **Shinobi** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:31 pm

Burke wrote:I'm finding the giddy glee from Americans over this execution to be pretty disgusting. Cheering?

When 9-11 happened, There were thousands of people in Egypt, Palestinian and other Arab / Muslim countries that were clapping and cheering very happily that so many Americans died.

I think that people in the U.S. in general, are finally getting tired of other countries bashing the U.S. for so long, even before 9-11..
The celebrating of Saddam's hanging is just plain fed up venting.
Be it right or wrong.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:55 pm

Shinobi wrote:When 9-11 happened, There were thousands of people in Egypt, Palestinian and other Arab / Muslim countries that were clapping and cheering very happily that so many Americans died.

I think that people in the U.S. in general, are finally getting tired of other countries bashing the U.S. for so long, even before 9-11..
The celebrating of Saddam's hanging is just plain fed up venting.
Be it right or wrong.

First paragraph. Hopeful Arab news isn't showing some bar somewhere deep in redneck country with dozens of bar crawlers whooping and laughing it up. I'm sure that's happening right now as it's a powerful propaganda tool for Al Qeada recruitment. Remember how them vids your talking about, made us feel?

Not sure if the celebrating of Saddam's hanging is all about venting. There are still a very large number of Americans who believe that Saddam and Iraq had something to do with 9-11. This myth persists simply because we have a media who won't really work very hard to dispel it. So in that respect, yes...I think your correct in mentioning that it's venting/celebrating on that note.

I also think it's simply do, to the world is rid of a murdering despot. Celebrating, maybe. Relieved? Yes.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:57 pm

I would only like to add one more thing to the thread. Why would any of you really want to watch a snuff movie?

I can take it as the word of the Iraqi government that indeed he's gone. Just a personal observation of a type of mindset that seems to prevail these type of things....

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:07 pm

downhill wrote:deep in redneck country .

HEY! I resemble that remark. For the record I didn't "celebrate", I'm just glad that man is gone and won't be able to harm anyone else.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:33 pm

I'd def watch it, should be out by tomorrow.