If Kerry is elected

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:03 pm

Will you support him? Will you put aside all the ill-will that has been cast at him, keep him in your prayers(if you pray)?
Or will you support the attack dogs, who will look over every and anything possible with a fine toothed comb, in the hopes that some, any scandal can be generated and more division drawn.

Just curious, I was reading an article in this weeks TIME magazine about the division and polarization of our nation in the shadow of hte current presidential campaign.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:08 pm

If Kerry is president I'll support the stuff I believe should be supported and i'll vote against the stuff that I believe shouldn't be.

Just like with any president.

No pres. is perfect, I like some of what Bush is doing, and I don't like some stuff Bush is doing, I like some of the stuff Kerry is proposing, and I don't like some of the stuff he is proposing.

I think we should have 2 presidents personally. One democrat and one republican, then we'd get the best of both worlds!

Talk about a nation UNITED then!

64bit · Post by **64bit** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:12 pm

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:23 pm

If he does anything I think is good and right sure...but I think that might be 5% of the time..LOL

Lefty · Post by **Lefty** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:40 pm

I will alway support the office of the president, the person taking up occupancy may not be my be my choice but thats the system we live with.

tao_jones · Post by **tao_jones** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:43 pm

Brent wrote:If Kerry is president I'll support the stuff I believe should be supported and i'll vote against the stuff that I believe shouldn't be.

Just like with any president.

No pres. is perfect, I like some of what Bush is doing, and I don't like some stuff Bush is doing, I like some of the stuff Kerry is proposing, and I don't like some of the stuff he is proposing.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:30 pm

lefty04530 wrote:I will alway support the office of the president, the person taking up occupancy may not be my be my choice but thats the system we live with.

Absolutely lefty. I definitely agree.

Illini25 · Post by **Illini25** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:33 pm

Yes. No matter who the president is. For me, it's a matter of respect out of what it means to be the president and what comes with it.

As for what the president supports, beleaves in, political agenda, ect is a whole complete different story.

horsemen_ · Post by **horsemen_** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:59 pm

ya that an idea have bush and kerry run the winner is pre the loser is vise pres

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 4:03 pm

I'd support him, I'd have no respect for the man, but I'd support him.

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 4:42 pm

Prey521 wrote:I'd support him, I'd have no respect for the man, but I'd support him.

why would you have no respect for him, Prey?

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 4:54 pm

Blisster wrote:why would you have no respect for him, Prey?

Because I do not respect him now. My feelings about him wouldn't change if he were President, but I would support him because it's the right thing to do. But only support on things that I believe are right, now if he started letting gays have more rights and loosening the laws on abortion, then my support for him would go down the drain. So you can say that I would only support him on things that I believe in, otherwise, I wont.

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:07 pm

why don't you respect him now?

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:55 pm

I will not support him.

I refuse to support a man that called every member of the Unites States Armed Services a war criminal. Nor will I respect him. End of Story.

saved · Post by **saved** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:07 pm

Blisster wrote:Will you support him? Will you put aside all the ill-will that has been cast at him, keep him in your prayers(if you pray)?
Or will you support the attack dogs, who will look over every and anything possible with a fine toothed comb, in the hopes that some, any scandal can be generated and more division drawn.

Just curious, I was reading an article in this weeks TIME magazine about the division and polarization of our nation in the shadow of hte current presidential campaign.

Yes I would pray for him and support him in any action that is in accord with the things of God as well as to be converted to the Christian faith which I do even now. However I would also pray against him in anything that he tries to support that is against the ways of God. The problem is that he stands for so much that defies God most of my prayers would be against him.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:11 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:If he does anything I think is good and right sure...but I think that might be 5% of the time..LOL

want to clarify what do you mean by support exactly?

A_COMMUNIST · Post by **A_COMMUNIST** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:39 pm

remember, like i have said many a time before. john kerry is a communist sympathizer. We here in the east call him the pink menace. So please, vote for President Bush so he can continue to make this country stronger. See, President bush does not support the Liberal Elite Snob A-holes. they are such annoying people. Liberal a-holes want to take money from your wallet to support the people that are too lazy to work. Need I say more.

And speaking of Moore. That poor excuse for a human actually thinks he some sort of God.

I'm steamed. Time to goto the people's recreation arena and work out.

Good night Fellow communists. My comrades. We'll teach those filthy capitalists a thing or 2 or 3.

Remember my fellow dumb scum, nobody leaves the KGB.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:45 pm

Blisster wrote:why don't you respect him now?

He is a spineless hypocrite who caters to the masses, and add that up along with what Scott said and plus his so called "christian" beliefs, he gets no respect from me.

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:52 pm

When did he condemn all members of the United States Armed Services as War Criminals?

Spineless Hypocrite who caters to the masses? Could not the same be said of GWB?

and what do you mean by "so-called" christian beliefs?

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 8:05 pm

If GWV catered to the masses, we wouldn't be in Iraq. And by so called beliefs, I mean that he's pulling the same BS that JFK pulled when he was running. Saying that he wouldn't let his beliefs dictate how he makes his decisions.....and we all know how "Christian" JFK was.

Either way, if he does win, I pray that he does a good job for this country, but I will never see him as a man of honor, dignity or respect.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 9:16 pm

Prey521 wrote:He is a spineless hypocrite who caters to the masses, and add that up along with what Scott said and plus his so called "christian" beliefs, he gets no respect from me.

hold up, caters to the masses?

how is that a bad thing if hes the leader of the masses? lol

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 9:18 pm

Prey521 wrote:GWV

George W. Viagra?

Before we went into Iraq I think the most of the people wanted to go. I was for the Iraq attack until I saw how bad it was turning out.

Dakota · Post by **Dakota** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 9:32 pm

Many people here in the US take war very lightly as it's only something they see on TV. Many people are not directly affected. I agreed with the invasion of Iraq from the start and still believe in it.

You cannot flip-flop on war when it starts to get ugly. I knew this war would not be easy and GWB told the the nation and the world that it would not be easy. What is going on now in Iraq is of no surprise to me.

A clinical, stealthy, high-tech war is always preferrable, but that's not always possible and certainly not in this case.

Now, just for moment, just think how a country like Iraq would fight this war if things were turned 180-degrees and they had the power, with Saddam at the helm and we had and we were the ones living in the sandbox.

The war would be over in 18-20 minutes. The time it would take to launch an all out nuclear attack that would wipe us from the face of the planet. This is how these radical muslims think.

This is a real war we are fighting here folks. Will it take yet another 9|11 to re-awake the population of the USA again?

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 9:38 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:hold up, caters to the masses?

how is that a bad thing if hes the leader of the masses? lol

Caters, as in, he always says what the majority wants to hear, in order to please them, and in this case, to get votes.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 9:46 pm

Prey521 wrote:Caters, as in, he always says what the majority wants to hear, in order to please them, and in this case, to get votes.

From now on my political jokes are going to start with me telling you that i'm joking.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 9:58 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:From now on my political jokes are going to start with me telling you that i'm joking.

LMAO, smartass!!

jayyy · Post by **jayyy** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:17 pm

ScottE wrote:I will not support him.

I refuse to support a man that called every member of the Unites States Armed Services a war criminal. Nor will I respect him. End of Story.

Thats either a straight out lie fed by the repubs, or taken waaaayyy out of context.

If anything, What he probably said was BUSH put the troops in a position that MADE them war criminals.

Remember, on top of being a guy that volunteered for vietnam and swift boat duty, this is the guy thats currently supposed to be "catering to the masses".

Even if you're sure he feels that way, theres no way he would be caught dead saying it.

IRS · Post by **IRS** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:41 pm

Thats either a straight out lie fed by the repubs, or taken waaaayyy out of context.

I think he might be referring to this I'm not sure but it might be

http://forums.speedguide.net/showthread.php?t=156895

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:43 pm

Blisster wrote:When did he condemn all members of the United States Armed Services as War Criminals?

On 23 April, 1971, John Kerry testified under oath before Congress that Americans in Vietnam had ''personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam. Before his testimony was over, he said, ''We all did it.'"

"These were not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command."

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:44 pm

jayyy wrote:Thats either a straight out lie fed by the repubs, or taken waaaayyy out of context.

If anything, What he probably said was BUSH put the troops in a position that MADE them war criminals.

Remember, on top of being a guy that volunteered for vietnam and swift boat duty, this is the guy thats currently supposed to be "catering to the masses".

Even if you're sure he feels that way, theres no way he would be caught dead saying it.

Too late he already said it in 1971.

jayyy · Post by **jayyy** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:47 pm

ScottE wrote:On 23 April, 1971, John Kerry testified under oath before Congress that Americans in Vietnam had ''personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam. Before his testimony was over, he said, ''We all did it.'"

"These were not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command."

A lot of that stuff went down.

Suppose you were there and you saw that happening. Would you lie about it?

He was there, getting shot on a swift boat. And he volunteered to go while opther politicans of this day and age were weaseling out, including ones you support.

Who are you to claim you know none of that happened? You hadn't even been born yet.

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:55 pm

jayyy wrote:A lot of that stuff went down.

Suppose you were there and you saw that happening. Would you lie about it?

He was there, getting shot on a swift boat. And he volunteered to go while opther politicans of this day and age were weaseling out, including ones you support.

Who are you to claim you know none of that happened? You hadn't even been born yet.

No I wouldn't lie about it. But I'd know my role and keep my mouth shut.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:00 pm

ScottE wrote:I will not support him.

I refuse to support a man that called every member of the Unites States Armed Services a war criminal. Nor will I respect him. End of Story.

Sorry Scott but I'm going to have to call you on that one.....If your talking about Kerry’s testimony before congress...he was repeating what he'd heard from others and from the "Winter Soldier" investigation......If not, I'm respectfully requesting links to this...

Oops...nevermind..I see that indeed this is what it's about. You should read his speech in full context to judge for yourself what he was talking about. John O'Neil has spent a lifetime quoting just a few words from that famous speech to anyone who'd listen. O'Neil was go boy for Nixon...

mountainman · Post by **mountainman** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:03 pm

Well put.

I agree.

(But I'm still hoping for Bush.)

jayyy · Post by **jayyy** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:04 pm

ScottE wrote:No I wouldn't lie about it. But I'd know my role and keep my mouth shut.

Well, thats where we differ.

Basically, you're saying you have no respect for him because he stood up and told the truth.

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:10 pm

jayyy wrote:Well, thats where we differ.

Basically, you're saying you have no respect for him because he stood up and told the truth.

War time is different than peace time.

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:17 pm

downhill wrote:Sorry Scott but I'm going to have to call you on that one.....If your talking about Kerry’s testimony before congress...he was repeating what he'd heard from others and from the "Winter Soldier" investigation......If not, I'm respectfully requesting links to this...

Oops...nevermind..I see that indeed this is what it's about. You should read his speech in full context to judge for yourself what he was talking about. John O'Neil has spent a lifetime quoting just a few words from that famous speech to anyone who'd listen. O'Neil was go boy for Nixon...

I've read the whole testimony. I know what he said.

http://www.c-span.org/vote2004/jkerrytestimony.asp

I don't like him, and I'm not going to vote for him. That's how I feel and that's all that matters to me. You guys can vote for whoever you want.

jayyy · Post by **jayyy** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:18 pm

ScottE wrote:War time is different than peace time.

Define "war time" How was vietnam a legitimate war? You really think america was in any danger?　Before they were sent over by the hundreds of thousands to die, that is?

Some tiny, hole-in-the-ground, disease-infested (no offense to them) nation in south east asia makes a political decision that the US doesn't like, and become communist amongst themselves...

So they bomb the living hell out of it. I've been over there, its pathetic that the US would even waste their time on it. They threaten no-one, save for the flu-bugs that come out of there.

You really think a "war" like that is worth dying for AND lying about so that it can continue?

Suppose someone told you Bush was leading you to jump off a cliff? Would you keep walking?

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:33 pm

Prey521 wrote:If GWV catered to the masses, we wouldn't be in Iraq.

And would have captured bin-Ladin in Tora Bora.

jayyy · Post by **jayyy** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:05 am

If GWV catered to the masses, we wouldn't be in Iraq

The president is supposed to "cater to the masses". Its called democracy.

Do you have a better suggestion??