I am afraid I must stir the pot yet again.
The only reason to uncap the upstream of a modem is to go crackz/warez crazy on the computer. The other reason is to run a server. I suspect that both are the case here. Road Runner has respectable upstream speed limits. Not that long ago, we had a member here that admitted that his neighbor was running a server. He said that he did not want to turn in his neighbor. But, he
admitted to slow speeds himself and was wondering if he could do anything EXCEPT turn in the neighbor. If you guys get a hold of these logs, and end up arrested and in court, do not come crying here. You will get no sympathy from me. And, I especially do not want to hear your crying about paying a fine of $15-20000 dollars for the next 5 years. I am not going to change my position on this. Getting a little extra bandwidth is not worth getting arrested, posting bail, hiring an attorney (most of us do not have a sister that will take care of our court case for free) and battling it out in court. And, of course, the inevitable disconnection of service. I know, how about the cable company accusing you of illegal activity in the use of their service and police carting your computer away. I personally do not want police and attorneys knocking on my door while I am browsing the net. Again, I say, think twice before doing something so foolish as this guy has done. If you are rich, then you can afford a business connection anyway. If you are poor like the rest of us, then you cannot afford to pay for fines and attorneys fees. I want to add one more thing, where did anyone ever get the idea that they can get 27 megabits per second? Yes the modems are capable of much higher speeds than they run. But the support systems cannot handle that. A typical subdomain for an entire city (depending on the area) is typically a T3 (45 megabits per second) max. It is routed to a regional data center that might run at OC3 (155 megabits per second) and that might feed an entire county! There are faster systems being installed in various areas of the country. But, my area still runs on exactly the example I have given you. So, before anyone says that they can get 27 megabits per second to their house (more than half the bandwidth for an entire city). I suggest they get their facts straight.
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Un-capping not illegal
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Violent don't send those logs to anyone at all..not on this BBS or anywhere man...its just not a responsible thing to do 
I'm glad to see you stood up to RR, but for christ sakes don't release those logs..
I mean just think of how quick that crap would spread. Sue RR, and get the money, but don't make others suffer that happen to be on a node with people that would have those codes. If you're wondering, NO, i'm not on RR I got DSL
It just scares me to think of all the 15yr olds that read this board with RR..
I'm glad to see you stood up to RR, but for christ sakes don't release those logs..
I mean just think of how quick that crap would spread. Sue RR, and get the money, but don't make others suffer that happen to be on a node with people that would have those codes. If you're wondering, NO, i'm not on RR I got DSL
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mobius0
I have been reading this string for 3 days now and I am wondering why everyone wants what they don't have. If you really think about it this is just the begining of this technology. Things will improve with time and if you don't like your service now pay for a better one. I am not sure I believe in this big bad company theory. Sure they are not as personal as you might like but they have more than on person to deal with. You are paying them for a service and they are providing it to you. If you don't like them then change your ISP. I feel this is just the begining of this sort of thing. Next time the poor sap who tries this may not be so lucky and for what I ask you. Nothing you can see or touch or has any REAL gains. So maybe you finish a download a few seconds early. What do you really gain? Is it really worth it to go through all this when you know as well as I do that in a year or so there will be something better or yours will be upgraded. If you really think it is not enough speed just go back to you 56k modem and start using a $10.00 a month ISP and then you will appreciate what you have now. I DON'T mean to anger anyone I just wanted to put my input in and say that I advise not to give the logs to anyone If you can get somthing from RR then do it. If you sue them for breaking the law then that is Cool, but let everyone moan and groan for a year or two because when they get used to what that will give them they will start complaining again that it is not enough. Violent I like to see the little guy win but you may not be so lucky next time and you may want to consider playing nice for awhile.
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jayyy
There's one big point here though -roadrunner and co have to cut the crap over this "100 times faster than a 56k modem" crap, espec. when they press criminal charges against anyone who alters their equip to get anywhere close to that. If they establish a cap of 400kbps, they should say so in the ads. If uncapping only results in speeds within the range stated as possible in promotional material made to sell the service, I can't feel all that bad about poor little roadrunner. They're advertising a BMW and selling an old Buick.
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clover
Not all of us can. I live on the east coast of Australia where there are 2 cable providers, and the other does not provide a service to home units, only houses. On the west coast, they don't even HAVE a cable provider!Originally posted by mobius0:
If you really think about it this is just the begining of this technology. Things will improve with time and if you don't like your service now pay for a better one.
I hate to remind you Americans, but this is the Internet, which is international, even if most americans think it's theirs
My modem happens to be the same as Violents, my ISP also advertised 100x 56K speed (NO mention of capping) and in addition, there was no mention of tampering with the capping in the contract...but then, there was no mention of the speed being capped either, at the time they gave me the contract to sign. So yes, I'm interested and I also don't believe this would violate any part of my contract.
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Violent
I do not run servers of any type. I do not do warez or any illegal software pirating activity. The only thing close to a server that I do run in on my own home network - if you want to call this a server - four machines thru hubs and switches to the machine with the cable modem (the one I un capped) on it. Since some of you were so diligent to point out the TOS, yes home networks are allowed, they just will not set them up for you.
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iBringpain:
Thank You! I really mean that. Now heres what you have to do, go to your doctor and have your eyes examined. Why? Well either you have poor eye sight or you are so damn stupid you can't read corcetly. martialcomp said that cable modems are capable of that speed and more. However as he said it depends on the network and other things. if your cable network has a T1 connection which some still do how do expect to reach 27Mpbs. If what you said is true then why isn't violent downloading faster than 1.2MB/s. 27Mbps is not equal to 1.2MB. Modem speeds vary there are some Homes that don't have a cable modem capable of that speed. For what you said to be correct each home would have to have at least its own T3 line and it can't be shared except for maybe between 2 users. No, your spelling was not correct! Go back to school you need it
Thank You! I really mean that. Now heres what you have to do, go to your doctor and have your eyes examined. Why? Well either you have poor eye sight or you are so damn stupid you can't read corcetly. martialcomp said that cable modems are capable of that speed and more. However as he said it depends on the network and other things. if your cable network has a T1 connection which some still do how do expect to reach 27Mpbs. If what you said is true then why isn't violent downloading faster than 1.2MB/s. 27Mbps is not equal to 1.2MB. Modem speeds vary there are some Homes that don't have a cable modem capable of that speed. For what you said to be correct each home would have to have at least its own T3 line and it can't be shared except for maybe between 2 users. No, your spelling was not correct! Go back to school you need it
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NeoGuyver
I have nothing in defense of myself or others who want to uncap their modems, but to mobius0: No one can really change their service right now, it's sort of a territorial thing with Cable, and if we want DSL, sure we can change it. But I'll use my area as an example. We have few people on each node since we have A hell of a lot of available bandwidth, and most everyone in the city has cable. They still don't want to up the CAP to at least 20k like we ask, it's not much to ask for, but if they only let us use the bandwidth that is available, no one will experience a reduction in speed. It's just that it's in their power, but they are stubborn. Thats just my 2¢
I don't think 20k is too much more to ask for. Hell they have the bandwidth. And their Customer Service is CRAP! I wish OOL was in my area instead of @home...
I don't think 20k is too much more to ask for. Hell they have the bandwidth. And their Customer Service is CRAP! I wish OOL was in my area instead of @home...
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NeoGuyver
I understand that options are limited at this time and I don't mean to imply that I have a whole hell of a lot myself. But the fact is I do have the choice of DSL or Cable or move to an area where the service is offered that I want. All of which will cost money. I can't speak for your ISP but one thing is very certain If you give someone somthing and then take it away they will be more upset than if they never had it. Maybe your ISP is bad and you have no options but I am sure in time you will have plenty as this technology grows. But taking what they are not willing to give is not the answer. This is just my opinion. Like I stated in the past I had to go back to 56k for a short time and I will NEVER complain about the speeds I get with my cable unless somthing is clearly wrong with my service. I just like all the rest here would love to get as much bandwidth as possible but I am unwilling to just take it.
Just a friendly reply
I understand that options are limited at this time and I don't mean to imply that I have a whole hell of a lot myself. But the fact is I do have the choice of DSL or Cable or move to an area where the service is offered that I want. All of which will cost money. I can't speak for your ISP but one thing is very certain If you give someone somthing and then take it away they will be more upset than if they never had it. Maybe your ISP is bad and you have no options but I am sure in time you will have plenty as this technology grows. But taking what they are not willing to give is not the answer. This is just my opinion. Like I stated in the past I had to go back to 56k for a short time and I will NEVER complain about the speeds I get with my cable unless somthing is clearly wrong with my service. I just like all the rest here would love to get as much bandwidth as possible but I am unwilling to just take it.
Just a friendly reply
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Thanks, the truth is, they really did give me something, then take it back. When I got my service, I had 50k/sec uploads. They took away from me. Now I ask for not even half of that back and they shun us, even though it's NEVER in use. We have a few nodes with 3 people on them and they are still as slow as the rest of us, only 128kbps (16k/sec). As for the options of moving and switching to DSL. I am not close enough to receive DSL from my phone Co. and The closest place I can move with a higher rating I don't think is even in my state. BESIDES, why should 'I' move to get better service? It's much easier and more beneficial for EVERYNE if they complied.
I see your point, I assure you, but if you had situation, I think you would be angry because you are powerless to make them see the truth. 16k/sec can't do CRAP compared to what Cable SHOULD do anyway. Did they ever put caps on phones? (I know cable is shared, but just follow me here) If they can't handle giving us speed that they first guaranteed, then they have NO bussiness being our service providers! I know technology has to "GROW" more, but does that also mean few should have to take a step back for the rest? Each city should be dealt with on an individual basis. it shouldn't be that hard to hire a task force to look into these things, hell, they spent a **** load of money trying to make an "EXAMPLE" out of people like Violent over here. Do you think this is a good way to spend their expenses? Couldn't they have used that money to build ONE MORE NODE for some city that needs it? perhaps...
One other thing, this is mainly for @home users. Wasn't there supposed to be a plan where you could pay for more bandwidth if you wanted to? WHAT THE HECK HAPPEND TO THAT!?
I see your point, I assure you, but if you had situation, I think you would be angry because you are powerless to make them see the truth. 16k/sec can't do CRAP compared to what Cable SHOULD do anyway. Did they ever put caps on phones? (I know cable is shared, but just follow me here) If they can't handle giving us speed that they first guaranteed, then they have NO bussiness being our service providers! I know technology has to "GROW" more, but does that also mean few should have to take a step back for the rest? Each city should be dealt with on an individual basis. it shouldn't be that hard to hire a task force to look into these things, hell, they spent a **** load of money trying to make an "EXAMPLE" out of people like Violent over here. Do you think this is a good way to spend their expenses? Couldn't they have used that money to build ONE MORE NODE for some city that needs it? perhaps...
One other thing, this is mainly for @home users. Wasn't there supposed to be a plan where you could pay for more bandwidth if you wanted to? WHAT THE HECK HAPPEND TO THAT!?
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Clbe
I was asked to check out this thread and I find it interesting. Some points...
Clbe
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- There is a *DISTINCT* difference between kB/s and kb/s. 1 kB/s = 8.192 kb/s and 1 kb/s = .122 kB/s
- RoadRunner is a DOCSIS system throughout. In a DOCSIS environment, the capping is truly done at the cable modem NOT the headend.
There is a subtle point to make however. The "configuration" that contains the capping paramters does exist at the head-end and is transferred to the cable modem via tftp once the cable modem has properly ranged, registered, and is active on the tcpip network. The cable modem reads the configuration and then sets itself appropriately. - It is totally feasible to have a telnet interface to the modem's innards. I do not specifically know if the CyberSurfr's have this but I am absolutely positive that other manufacturers provide this ability in one form or another. In context of this scenario, the Moto tech needs only to know the RF interface IP or the ethernet interface IP address. If any cable modem vendor is SMART, they would restrict such capabilities to the RF interface only.
- The possibility of violent capturing such a session is close to NIL... UNLESS there is a heinous flaw in the CyberSurfr architecture whereby they open the session to the ethernet and not the RF interface. Any moto folk here? Contact me so we can discuss this one.
- If RR could properly configure their network from the onset, this might never have happened as they could make the "pool" of RF interface addresses a private network instead of a legit IP class network. In this situation, the moto tech would never be able to "telnet" to the modem. Only a knowledgable RR tech could do it from within their private RF network.
Clbe
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martialcomp:
Couldn't of put it better myself. Thank You
iBringPain:
Do your research before you post. Read martialcomp last statements for my reply.
No violent is not in my neighood as you put it(check your spelling) I don't recall saying he was. If you don't care about your neighbor thats your problem(god am I glad I don't have you as my neighbor)I'm sure many of us feel differently. I for one have a regard for those around me because I know that what I do will affect others. Yes, there are more important things to think about in my day but that doesn't mean I won't think about when I'm online and getting 30K downloads or worse.
mobius0:
Don't know if you've noticed but many of us rarely get what we paid for in regards to service from RR. Here's an example last year in Jaxsonville they had backbone problems which did not get fixed until 5 months later, and know in my area they have the same damn problem and i'll be damned if I pay them for not fixing a problem. Like clover many of us are limited in choice to what High speed provider we get. I am limited to RR only, so even If I wanted to I can't switch. Yes, I could DSL and pay more for something slower( I am far away from the Company). RR does advertise here 100 times faster than 56k.
Bozzman:
Not everyone wants the logs so they can uncap their modem, while the majority does there are some that are just curious as to what command exactly have this affect and how do they bypass the cables.
Yes I'm sure many 15yr old with a cable modem want those logs so they can get warez and porn faster. I for one don't have a motorola modem so those logs wouldn't allow me to uncap mine. even if they did I wouldn't because i would be sucking up bandwith from my neighbors and I know how pissed off i get when I get slow downloads especially with this backbone problem RR is having.
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Couldn't of put it better myself. Thank You
iBringPain:
Do your research before you post. Read martialcomp last statements for my reply.
No violent is not in my neighood as you put it(check your spelling) I don't recall saying he was. If you don't care about your neighbor thats your problem(god am I glad I don't have you as my neighbor)I'm sure many of us feel differently. I for one have a regard for those around me because I know that what I do will affect others. Yes, there are more important things to think about in my day but that doesn't mean I won't think about when I'm online and getting 30K downloads or worse.
mobius0:
Don't know if you've noticed but many of us rarely get what we paid for in regards to service from RR. Here's an example last year in Jaxsonville they had backbone problems which did not get fixed until 5 months later, and know in my area they have the same damn problem and i'll be damned if I pay them for not fixing a problem. Like clover many of us are limited in choice to what High speed provider we get. I am limited to RR only, so even If I wanted to I can't switch. Yes, I could DSL and pay more for something slower( I am far away from the Company). RR does advertise here 100 times faster than 56k.
Bozzman:
Not everyone wants the logs so they can uncap their modem, while the majority does there are some that are just curious as to what command exactly have this affect and how do they bypass the cables.
Yes I'm sure many 15yr old with a cable modem want those logs so they can get warez and porn faster. I for one don't have a motorola modem so those logs wouldn't allow me to uncap mine. even if they did I wouldn't because i would be sucking up bandwith from my neighbors and I know how pissed off i get when I get slow downloads especially with this backbone problem RR is having.
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To Clbe:
RR is not a DOCSIS system throughout. Many locations use the Motorola Cybersurfr, which is not a DOCSIS modem.
The manuals for the Motorola system are on line on the Motorola site. It caps at the headend. See: http://www.motorola.com/MIMS/Multimedia/manuals/079.pdf
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RR is not a DOCSIS system throughout. Many locations use the Motorola Cybersurfr, which is not a DOCSIS modem.
The manuals for the Motorola system are on line on the Motorola site. It caps at the headend. See: http://www.motorola.com/MIMS/Multimedia/manuals/079.pdf
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Violent
OK I made a deal with Road Runner. Some details follow:
1. Free service for 3 years on a business account. Type was previously mentioned in another post.
2. Release the details of what I did exactly to do this to them and turn over all logs, lists, settings etc...but I retain ownership.
3. My whole house wired for cable. I threw this one in because I was feeling a little playful,,,they laughed too but agreed to it.
4. I retain my present cable modem. This was one point that I would not budge on.
5. They pay my sister all court costs that would have been accrued had another lawyer been representing me in a law suit against them. they will figure that one out a little later. But I had to agree to drop all legal action against them and agree not to release information to the media.
6. Agree not to release the settings on the net. However I would not fully agree to this but I did agree not to release them for a period of three months, if I choose to do so.
7. If at any time during the 3 year service period that I become dis-satisfied with the account that they give me (i.e...it slows down miserably and acts like a residential account) they will at their cost, upon my request, have DSL service from the phone company installed with their fastest account and they will pay the bill for the rest of my 3 year period that I would have had with them. This may come as a lump sum payment when the time comes. Of course i will lose the Road Runner service at that time.
There were a few other minor things for both them and me but this is the important stuff. I will not need to sign a new contract. They kinda balked at first on the 3 year service thing saying it was vague and offered no limits. I just sit for about maybe a minute - silent- and told them "Ladies and Gentlemen, have you seen your own sales literature ?". I explained it to them a little , showed examples, and they agreed. Oh yeah and I told them that I did not want any more phone calls from them trying to sell me something, that I wanted my phone number removed from their sales database - or what ever you call it).
I guess I won, got a fast account (either way - DSL if I get "dis-satisfied") and money to boot. Sounds like a pretty fair deal.
Well like I said thats the high points.
1. Free service for 3 years on a business account. Type was previously mentioned in another post.
2. Release the details of what I did exactly to do this to them and turn over all logs, lists, settings etc...but I retain ownership.
3. My whole house wired for cable. I threw this one in because I was feeling a little playful,,,they laughed too but agreed to it.
4. I retain my present cable modem. This was one point that I would not budge on.
5. They pay my sister all court costs that would have been accrued had another lawyer been representing me in a law suit against them. they will figure that one out a little later. But I had to agree to drop all legal action against them and agree not to release information to the media.
6. Agree not to release the settings on the net. However I would not fully agree to this but I did agree not to release them for a period of three months, if I choose to do so.
7. If at any time during the 3 year service period that I become dis-satisfied with the account that they give me (i.e...it slows down miserably and acts like a residential account) they will at their cost, upon my request, have DSL service from the phone company installed with their fastest account and they will pay the bill for the rest of my 3 year period that I would have had with them. This may come as a lump sum payment when the time comes. Of course i will lose the Road Runner service at that time.
There were a few other minor things for both them and me but this is the important stuff. I will not need to sign a new contract. They kinda balked at first on the 3 year service thing saying it was vague and offered no limits. I just sit for about maybe a minute - silent- and told them "Ladies and Gentlemen, have you seen your own sales literature ?". I explained it to them a little , showed examples, and they agreed. Oh yeah and I told them that I did not want any more phone calls from them trying to sell me something, that I wanted my phone number removed from their sales database - or what ever you call it).
I guess I won, got a fast account (either way - DSL if I get "dis-satisfied") and money to boot. Sounds like a pretty fair deal.
Well like I said thats the high points.
violent,
Watch out.
They might bight back , And if they do they will leave teeth marks.
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Make sure to put a clause in the contract that you admit to absolutely nothing and all information is given anounymousely.
You should also have the contract looked at by a good contract lawyer.
Good luck.
-Xzaver-
Watch out.
They might bight back , And if they do they will leave teeth marks.
V.¸¸.·´^`·.¸V¸.·´^`·.¸V¸.·´
Make sure to put a clause in the contract that you admit to absolutely nothing and all information is given anounymousely.
You should also have the contract looked at by a good contract lawyer.
Good luck.
-Xzaver-
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PostalBunny
Not to flame or anything... but i have a rr modem and get about 300k/s x 8bits per byte = 2,400,000 bits per second which is 2.4Mbps.
You said you're getting 27Mbs which is 17 more Megabits per second than you can get on a 10Mbps card... which seems rather odd to me! Normal functioning is usually 5-8Mbps on a network with a switch rather than a hub... if you have your **** setup GOOD and have excelent hardware. Did you manage to switch that 10/100 NIC to 100Mps or sometin crazy?
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You said you're getting 27Mbs which is 17 more Megabits per second than you can get on a 10Mbps card... which seems rather odd to me! Normal functioning is usually 5-8Mbps on a network with a switch rather than a hub... if you have your **** setup GOOD and have excelent hardware. Did you manage to switch that 10/100 NIC to 100Mps or sometin crazy?
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spock
I don't know about some of you, but I think some of this story seems to be blown up it sounds to me. If RR was so scared stiff about those codes gettin' out (which they still easily could if they exsist), instead of them makin' "a deal" why didn't they go out and get they're 100k per year programmers to write scripts to block these "codes" that unlocked these codes. Just a thought.
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PostalBunny
They're distributing toshiba modems now... and I got real friendly with the modem installer and he said they don't cap the modems... if that's true or not =) However, 27Mbps on a 10Mbps card?!?!, and a deal after the court case was dismissed... deal for what? he didn't give up his cable... so they made a deal to install cable and give him 3 years of business DSL so he wouldn't sue them for $1,000 in lawyer fees? doubt it, he wanted attention... and he didn't email his packet sniffing logs to anyone... and if he did it would probably look like DHCP server requestsOriginally posted by spock:
I don't know about some of you, but I think some of this story seems to be blown up it sounds to me. If RR was so scared stiff about those codes gettin' out (which they still easily could if they exsist), instead of them makin' "a deal" why didn't they go out and get they're 100k per year programmers to write scripts to block these "codes" that unlocked these codes. Just a thought.
If they are capped, then it is probably set like a cayman or linksys router by telneting into the damn things, or by eprom. If it is sent over the cable then NO it will not go throught the ethernet cable, just through the coaxal cable. Ever put your cable modem's NIC in promiscuous mode... see any of your neighbors tcp/ip flowing, cuz i didn't...sorry... got a little irate at the wrong piggly wiggly
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spock: The reason they can't send the codes, is because thats EXACTLY what violent blocked out. By going into his diagnostic mode, the modem rejects the information about the CAP from the headend.
PostalBunny: I don't beleive he said anything about his network being 10MBPS. He MAY have upgraded and the lawsuit could be for much more than $1000. PLUS, they're probably not scrared of him sueing, they are probably more afraid of what would happen IF he sent out the codes. It'd be chaos, no matter what Cable ISP.
But who knows, this could turn out where you are totally right, but hope lives on!
My 2¢...
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PostalBunny: I don't beleive he said anything about his network being 10MBPS. He MAY have upgraded and the lawsuit could be for much more than $1000. PLUS, they're probably not scrared of him sueing, they are probably more afraid of what would happen IF he sent out the codes. It'd be chaos, no matter what Cable ISP.
But who knows, this could turn out where you are totally right, but hope lives on!
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Richson
Wow, what a cool thread, wtfg Violent give em hell !!!
I sure would like the sniffer logs if ya have the time richtyson@carolina.rr.com
I sure would like the sniffer logs if ya have the time richtyson@carolina.rr.com
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legalmind
I find this a very good story. Thats about all I can say due to lack of proof.
When asked for proof,a deal is made within minutes?
Believe it if you want or not.
This whole story has a strange smell about it. The part that tipped me off was the quick"deal". What better way to get out of offering proof,"the deal".
Just offer proof to just one person whom you trust that runs this website. Just one,not two,three or more. Do that and I will say that I was sorry for not believing you.
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When asked for proof,a deal is made within minutes?
Believe it if you want or not.
This whole story has a strange smell about it. The part that tipped me off was the quick"deal". What better way to get out of offering proof,"the deal".
Just offer proof to just one person whom you trust that runs this website. Just one,not two,three or more. Do that and I will say that I was sorry for not believing you.
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Kip Patterson
I've said that for days. I like the concept of urban legend.
How about changing the title of the thread to "The Great Byte Theft"
By the way, RoadRunner does not provide cable modem service to anyone, anywhere. None of their licensees, or whatever you want to call the cable companies, provide 10 mbit upload because none of them has a cable system that will support it. Motorola does not have a support number for the Cybersurfr modem. He did not get a call from his attorney telling him he would not be prosecuted after he was found innocent. No one can appeal an innocent verdict. Can't get 10 mbit download, either. Goes on and on.
How about changing the title of the thread to "The Great Byte Theft"
By the way, RoadRunner does not provide cable modem service to anyone, anywhere. None of their licensees, or whatever you want to call the cable companies, provide 10 mbit upload because none of them has a cable system that will support it. Motorola does not have a support number for the Cybersurfr modem. He did not get a call from his attorney telling him he would not be prosecuted after he was found innocent. No one can appeal an innocent verdict. Can't get 10 mbit download, either. Goes on and on.
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PostalBunny
PostalBunny: I don't beleive he said anything about his network being 10MBPS. He MAY have upgraded and the lawsuit could be for much more than $1000. PLUS, they're probably not scrared of him sueing, they are probably more afraid of what would happen IF he sent out the codes. It'd be chaos, no matter what Cable ISP.
27Mbps down and 500k/s (4Mbps) = 31Mbps which is 1 Mbps more than the network can handle... even if it was all configured correctly and running at MAX speed. Ever take a look at your switch on 100Mbps network transmitting files? 34Mbps...
Anyhow, they're not afraid of him sueing with his sister... i'm looking at the service contract right now.
"Subscriber will not open, alter, misuse, tamper with or remove the Equipment as and where installed by Texas Cable Partners, and will not remove any markins or labels from the Equipment indicating Texas Cable Partners ownership or serial or identity numbers."
"...residential service offered for person, non-commercial use...Subscriber further agres not to connect the cable modem to any computer other thant he Computer(s) or to any server..."
"texas Cable Partners and erviceco shall have the right to upgrade, modify, enhance and replace the equip and software from time to time through "downloads" form the network or otherwise".
"ServiceCo may employ such means to limit the throughput available throug individual modems whether or not provided by Texas Cable Partners"
"restrict, prohibit or otherwise interfere with the ability of any other person to use or enjoy the Road Runner service including, but not limited to, posting or transmitting any..."
Even if he did "uncap" his modem at his side he was interfering with his neighbors using of the rr service and he DID modify the modem which he is NOT allowed to do. If he was in court, he would have LOST hands down and they would not be making deals with him after they ALREADY LOST.
And just a note... with dsl you communicate on certain freq on the spectrum and some dsl modems do not work on sbc because they are tailored to odd specifications. After talking with representatives from Efficient Networks which make the modems, they informed me that if you tamper with your modem to communicate on wider freq it will just not be able to get sync. The information downloading to your computer is controle at the router the cable co owns, not the modem. Just like a switch, THEY decide how fast you download there and not where you are at. Ever have your service upgraded to faster rates? The so-called business service, is upgraded from their side, a cable guy dose not come to your house to "flash" your modem with special codes to allow it to dl/ul faster. They program the router you are connected to to ALLOW your modem to xmit faster.
27Mbps down and 500k/s (4Mbps) = 31Mbps which is 1 Mbps more than the network can handle... even if it was all configured correctly and running at MAX speed. Ever take a look at your switch on 100Mbps network transmitting files? 34Mbps...
Anyhow, they're not afraid of him sueing with his sister... i'm looking at the service contract right now.
"Subscriber will not open, alter, misuse, tamper with or remove the Equipment as and where installed by Texas Cable Partners, and will not remove any markins or labels from the Equipment indicating Texas Cable Partners ownership or serial or identity numbers."
"...residential service offered for person, non-commercial use...Subscriber further agres not to connect the cable modem to any computer other thant he Computer(s) or to any server..."
"texas Cable Partners and erviceco shall have the right to upgrade, modify, enhance and replace the equip and software from time to time through "downloads" form the network or otherwise".
"ServiceCo may employ such means to limit the throughput available throug individual modems whether or not provided by Texas Cable Partners"
"restrict, prohibit or otherwise interfere with the ability of any other person to use or enjoy the Road Runner service including, but not limited to, posting or transmitting any..."
Even if he did "uncap" his modem at his side he was interfering with his neighbors using of the rr service and he DID modify the modem which he is NOT allowed to do. If he was in court, he would have LOST hands down and they would not be making deals with him after they ALREADY LOST.
And just a note... with dsl you communicate on certain freq on the spectrum and some dsl modems do not work on sbc because they are tailored to odd specifications. After talking with representatives from Efficient Networks which make the modems, they informed me that if you tamper with your modem to communicate on wider freq it will just not be able to get sync. The information downloading to your computer is controle at the router the cable co owns, not the modem. Just like a switch, THEY decide how fast you download there and not where you are at. Ever have your service upgraded to faster rates? The so-called business service, is upgraded from their side, a cable guy dose not come to your house to "flash" your modem with special codes to allow it to dl/ul faster. They program the router you are connected to to ALLOW your modem to xmit faster.