it was around 70 and windy, but just awesome.
my brother bought a hat two weeks ago just for today and when we got on a river walk across the olentangy river it blew off his head and into the river.
Ohio State Buckeyes Thread
Pryor puts on show for record crowd
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Associated Press
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- A national spring game record crowd of 95,722 came out to enjoy the high temperatures and watch Terrelle Pryor throw two long touchdown passes in 30 seconds, leading the Gray over the Scarlet 23-3 on Saturday at sun-drenched Ohio Stadium.
The 80-degree weather played a big role in the attendance, which topped the 92,138 Alabama drew for Nick Saban's coaching debut in 2007.
Ohio fans paid $5 per ticket, with the bulk of the money going to local charities. Many showed up in tank tops and shorts to soak up the sun on the warmest day of the year while watching Pryor strut his stuff.
Pryor broke open a close scrimmage with touchdown passes of 44 yards to Taurian Washington and 42 yards to Ray Small late in the second half. Pryor started as a freshman for last year's 10-3 Buckeyes team.
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COLUMBUS, Ohio -- A national spring game record crowd of 95,722 came out to enjoy the high temperatures and watch Terrelle Pryor throw two long touchdown passes in 30 seconds, leading the Gray over the Scarlet 23-3 on Saturday at sun-drenched Ohio Stadium.
The 80-degree weather played a big role in the attendance, which topped the 92,138 Alabama drew for Nick Saban's coaching debut in 2007.
Ohio fans paid $5 per ticket, with the bulk of the money going to local charities. Many showed up in tank tops and shorts to soak up the sun on the warmest day of the year while watching Pryor strut his stuff.
Pryor broke open a close scrimmage with touchdown passes of 44 yards to Taurian Washington and 42 yards to Ray Small late in the second half. Pryor started as a freshman for last year's 10-3 Buckeyes team.
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Ohio State football: Quick practice update
by Doug Lesmerises Tuesday April 21, 2009, 5:54 PM
Quick update from practice today:
* Terrelle Pryor threw a couple nice deep balls, hitting DeVier Posey and Taurian Washington in stride for long gains. No ice on the arm today, at least that I saw.
We do look a lot at Pryor's throwing motion and tend to overlook everyone else. Backup quarterback Joe Bauserman threw a 35-yard touchdown pass on a line to Washington in the corner of the endzone that he released with almost a submarine delivery.
* The Buckeyes worked a lot on their unbalanced line, putting both tackles on one side of the line and lining up either a tight end or fullback on the end of the other side.
Ohio State used this formation at times last year but never really ran a surprising play out of it, as far as I can remember. Seems like it could be a good way to sneak a pass to a tight end.
* We'll have the linebackers in for interviews in a bit, but it sure looked like Brian Rolle was playing a decent amount of middle linebacker today. He's a guy to watch for the fall.
* In the positions that are rotating at first team, Andy Miller was first team left tackle ahead of Mike Adams and Devon Torrence was at corner ahead of Andre Amos.
by Doug Lesmerises Tuesday April 21, 2009, 5:54 PM
Quick update from practice today:
* Terrelle Pryor threw a couple nice deep balls, hitting DeVier Posey and Taurian Washington in stride for long gains. No ice on the arm today, at least that I saw.
We do look a lot at Pryor's throwing motion and tend to overlook everyone else. Backup quarterback Joe Bauserman threw a 35-yard touchdown pass on a line to Washington in the corner of the endzone that he released with almost a submarine delivery.
* The Buckeyes worked a lot on their unbalanced line, putting both tackles on one side of the line and lining up either a tight end or fullback on the end of the other side.
Ohio State used this formation at times last year but never really ran a surprising play out of it, as far as I can remember. Seems like it could be a good way to sneak a pass to a tight end.
* We'll have the linebackers in for interviews in a bit, but it sure looked like Brian Rolle was playing a decent amount of middle linebacker today. He's a guy to watch for the fall.
* In the positions that are rotating at first team, Andy Miller was first team left tackle ahead of Mike Adams and Devon Torrence was at corner ahead of Andre Amos.
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COLUMBUS, Ohio -- In fewer than four seconds, Terrelle Pryor saw all this ...
"I saw a cover-two with a strongside rotation," the Ohio State quarterback said minutes after the Buckeyes' April 25 spring game. "They stayed on top. I saw Ray. He made a good move. He snuck right behind the corner. I saw the corner right there, and I was like, all right, I'm going to throw this in there."
And that's exactly what the sophomore did. With a spring-game record 95,722 watching, Pryor stepped up in the pocket and fired a laser beam over the right sideline and into the teeth of a 24-mph wind. The throw whistled past cornerback Andre Amos' earhole and into the hands of a sprinting Ray Small, who juked two defenders to finish off a 42-yard touchdown connection.
Pryor probably could have thrown that ball six months ago. But could he have made that read? "No," he admitted. "I jumped right into camp. Coaches didn't really teach me all that, because we didn't really have time. We had to go. With the spring, you go through a whole process."
That process has produced a true quarterback ready to begin utilizing all of his physical gifts. The sophomore from Jeanette, Pa., stands 6-foot-6 and weighs 235 pounds. He's almost as thick as Florida's Tim Tebow, but faster. Pryor can make the same throws as Oklahoma's Sam Bradford, but remains a threat to run. In fact, only a handful of Football Bowl Subdivision quarterbacks could have made the throw Pryor completed to Small in the spring game, and even fewer could reproduce the throw Pryor made moments earlier -- a 44-yard bomb that sliced through the gale and landed in Taurian Washington's hands in the end zone.
After a showing like that, it's no wonder Pryor bristles when he reads on the Internet that he can't throw. "The media and all, whoever, said that I couldn't throw the ball," Pryor said. "But you saw today. The world saw today. I can throw the ball."
Can't imagine where Pryor might have read such a harsh assessment. Oh, wait. Maybe he saw it on this very site. Early in 2008, when Rivals.com and Scout.com ranked Pryor as the nation's top recruit, I was asked to write a story explaining why Pryor ranked just 16th in the SI/Takkle.com rankings. The rankings came from a respected company called Offense-Defense, which used a composite opinion from several scouts.
One of those scouts, a former college (Wake Forest) and pro (Bengals, Raiders) assistant named Bill Urbanik, explained dual-threat quarterbacks are notoriously tough to assess. Then Urbanik invoked the name of one of the biggest recruiting busts of the past 10 years. "Remember a guy named Xavier Lee?" he asked. Lee was a big-armed quarterback from Daytona Beach, Fla., who never could establish himself as the No. 1 quarterback at Florida State. As a freshman, Pryor established himself as Ohio State's quarterback after the Buckeyes' third game. He started the final 10 games and finished the season with 1,311 passing yards, 12 touchdowns, four interceptions and 631 rushing yards.
In that same story, Offense-Defense recruiting director Dan Licursi said the company's scouts believed Florida State-bound quarterback E.J. Manuel had a better arm and a better pocket presence than Pryor. Manuel, who dislocated a finger and missed most of this year's spring practice, probably will spend his redshirt freshman season as Christian Ponder's backup for the Seminoles.
To be fair, the scouts probably correctly accessed Pryor's pocket presence at the time. That much was obvious during Pryor's freshman season, when he racked up double-digit rushing attempts in six of his nine starts but failed to crack 20 pass attempts in all but one game, a loss to Penn State. Pryor would be the first to admit that unless conditions were perfect for a pass last year, he scrambled.
With some time to finally digest the offense and develop a rapport with his blockers, Pryor has learned to stay calm in the pocket. He knows now that while he can do plenty of damage with his legs, his arm can carry the Buckeyes to a Big Ten title and beyond. The 42-yard touchdown pass to Small served as a prime example. The 2008 Pryor probably would have seen the bulge in the pocket and darted through the hole between the right guard and tackle for 15 yards. Instead, the 2009 Pryor stepped into a clear space, planted his feet and threw. "He's much more comfortable in the pocket," Buckeyes tight end Jake Ballard said. "He's not thinking run first."
Now, experience and intangibles are all that separate Pryor from Tebow, Bradford or Texas quarterback Colt McCoy. The experience will come. As for the intangibles, Pryor's already working on those. Every semester, Buckeyes coach Jim Tressel gathers the team and asks all players who earned at least a 3.0 grade point average to stand. This spring, Pryor made sure that when Tressel called, he'd be among the group. "If you have a quarterback under [3.0]," Pryor said, "you're not a leader."
Leadership seems paramount to Pryor. He returned to the subjected frequently during a 15-minute interview session after the spring game. "As a quarterback, I need to take the lead of the offense," Pryor said. "I need to think of it as my offense."
Pryor's teammates undoubtedly understand that as Pryor goes, so do they. That's why Pryor was the first player selected in the draft for the spring game. But the culture at Ohio State may prevent Pryor from officially being anointed a team leader as a sophomore. Before the spring game, senior safety Kurt Coleman led Pryor's Gray team onto the field. When the captains met at midfield, Pryor stood on the sideline. Pryor understands the climate within which his team exists, so he will try to inspire with his play rather than his words. "Just lead by example," he said. "That's all I can do right now. We have older guys. They're going to lead vocally. I'm just going to lead by example."
Though Tressel may not think Pryor's ready to be a captain, the coach certainly understands the sophomore's importance. After two quarters of the scrimmage -- one with a non-contact jersey and one without -- Tressel yanked Pryor to avoid risking injury to his most important player. "He was ejected," said Tressel, who wore a Hawaiian shirt that seemed to draw out the jokes his sweater vest typically suppresses. "I'm tired of his stuff."
Later, Tressel made an excellent point. "One thing we've always believed is that you can't win the national championship in the spring," he said. "But you can lose it by not progressing enough."
Pryor's progress will allow the Buckeyes to start the season with national title dreams even though they're replacing more quality players on both sides of the ball than anyone else in the preseason top 20.
So go ahead. Tell Pryor he can't throw. Tell him he's overrated. The Buckeyes will probably thank you for it.
"We're going to get touchdowns all year," Pryor said. "We're going to keep working hard. We don't care about the critics."
"I saw a cover-two with a strongside rotation," the Ohio State quarterback said minutes after the Buckeyes' April 25 spring game. "They stayed on top. I saw Ray. He made a good move. He snuck right behind the corner. I saw the corner right there, and I was like, all right, I'm going to throw this in there."
And that's exactly what the sophomore did. With a spring-game record 95,722 watching, Pryor stepped up in the pocket and fired a laser beam over the right sideline and into the teeth of a 24-mph wind. The throw whistled past cornerback Andre Amos' earhole and into the hands of a sprinting Ray Small, who juked two defenders to finish off a 42-yard touchdown connection.
Pryor probably could have thrown that ball six months ago. But could he have made that read? "No," he admitted. "I jumped right into camp. Coaches didn't really teach me all that, because we didn't really have time. We had to go. With the spring, you go through a whole process."
That process has produced a true quarterback ready to begin utilizing all of his physical gifts. The sophomore from Jeanette, Pa., stands 6-foot-6 and weighs 235 pounds. He's almost as thick as Florida's Tim Tebow, but faster. Pryor can make the same throws as Oklahoma's Sam Bradford, but remains a threat to run. In fact, only a handful of Football Bowl Subdivision quarterbacks could have made the throw Pryor completed to Small in the spring game, and even fewer could reproduce the throw Pryor made moments earlier -- a 44-yard bomb that sliced through the gale and landed in Taurian Washington's hands in the end zone.
After a showing like that, it's no wonder Pryor bristles when he reads on the Internet that he can't throw. "The media and all, whoever, said that I couldn't throw the ball," Pryor said. "But you saw today. The world saw today. I can throw the ball."
Can't imagine where Pryor might have read such a harsh assessment. Oh, wait. Maybe he saw it on this very site. Early in 2008, when Rivals.com and Scout.com ranked Pryor as the nation's top recruit, I was asked to write a story explaining why Pryor ranked just 16th in the SI/Takkle.com rankings. The rankings came from a respected company called Offense-Defense, which used a composite opinion from several scouts.
One of those scouts, a former college (Wake Forest) and pro (Bengals, Raiders) assistant named Bill Urbanik, explained dual-threat quarterbacks are notoriously tough to assess. Then Urbanik invoked the name of one of the biggest recruiting busts of the past 10 years. "Remember a guy named Xavier Lee?" he asked. Lee was a big-armed quarterback from Daytona Beach, Fla., who never could establish himself as the No. 1 quarterback at Florida State. As a freshman, Pryor established himself as Ohio State's quarterback after the Buckeyes' third game. He started the final 10 games and finished the season with 1,311 passing yards, 12 touchdowns, four interceptions and 631 rushing yards.
In that same story, Offense-Defense recruiting director Dan Licursi said the company's scouts believed Florida State-bound quarterback E.J. Manuel had a better arm and a better pocket presence than Pryor. Manuel, who dislocated a finger and missed most of this year's spring practice, probably will spend his redshirt freshman season as Christian Ponder's backup for the Seminoles.
To be fair, the scouts probably correctly accessed Pryor's pocket presence at the time. That much was obvious during Pryor's freshman season, when he racked up double-digit rushing attempts in six of his nine starts but failed to crack 20 pass attempts in all but one game, a loss to Penn State. Pryor would be the first to admit that unless conditions were perfect for a pass last year, he scrambled.
With some time to finally digest the offense and develop a rapport with his blockers, Pryor has learned to stay calm in the pocket. He knows now that while he can do plenty of damage with his legs, his arm can carry the Buckeyes to a Big Ten title and beyond. The 42-yard touchdown pass to Small served as a prime example. The 2008 Pryor probably would have seen the bulge in the pocket and darted through the hole between the right guard and tackle for 15 yards. Instead, the 2009 Pryor stepped into a clear space, planted his feet and threw. "He's much more comfortable in the pocket," Buckeyes tight end Jake Ballard said. "He's not thinking run first."
Now, experience and intangibles are all that separate Pryor from Tebow, Bradford or Texas quarterback Colt McCoy. The experience will come. As for the intangibles, Pryor's already working on those. Every semester, Buckeyes coach Jim Tressel gathers the team and asks all players who earned at least a 3.0 grade point average to stand. This spring, Pryor made sure that when Tressel called, he'd be among the group. "If you have a quarterback under [3.0]," Pryor said, "you're not a leader."
Leadership seems paramount to Pryor. He returned to the subjected frequently during a 15-minute interview session after the spring game. "As a quarterback, I need to take the lead of the offense," Pryor said. "I need to think of it as my offense."
Pryor's teammates undoubtedly understand that as Pryor goes, so do they. That's why Pryor was the first player selected in the draft for the spring game. But the culture at Ohio State may prevent Pryor from officially being anointed a team leader as a sophomore. Before the spring game, senior safety Kurt Coleman led Pryor's Gray team onto the field. When the captains met at midfield, Pryor stood on the sideline. Pryor understands the climate within which his team exists, so he will try to inspire with his play rather than his words. "Just lead by example," he said. "That's all I can do right now. We have older guys. They're going to lead vocally. I'm just going to lead by example."
Though Tressel may not think Pryor's ready to be a captain, the coach certainly understands the sophomore's importance. After two quarters of the scrimmage -- one with a non-contact jersey and one without -- Tressel yanked Pryor to avoid risking injury to his most important player. "He was ejected," said Tressel, who wore a Hawaiian shirt that seemed to draw out the jokes his sweater vest typically suppresses. "I'm tired of his stuff."
Later, Tressel made an excellent point. "One thing we've always believed is that you can't win the national championship in the spring," he said. "But you can lose it by not progressing enough."
Pryor's progress will allow the Buckeyes to start the season with national title dreams even though they're replacing more quality players on both sides of the ball than anyone else in the preseason top 20.
So go ahead. Tell Pryor he can't throw. Tell him he's overrated. The Buckeyes will probably thank you for it.
"We're going to get touchdowns all year," Pryor said. "We're going to keep working hard. We don't care about the critics."
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why would they put this JOKE on si.coms front page of sports? i thought this was reserved for great/elite players. 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/
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Gixxer wrote:why would they put this JOKE on si.coms front page of sports? i thought this was reserved for great/elite players.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/
TP is going to be something special.
The sophomore from Jeanette, Pa., stands 6-foot-6 and weighs 235 pounds. He's almost as thick as Florida's Tim Tebow, but faster. Pryor can make the same throws as Oklahoma's Sam Bradford, but remains a threat to run. In fact, only a handful of Football Bowl Subdivision quarterbacks could have made the throw Pryor completed to Small in the spring game, and even fewer could reproduce the throw Pryor made moments earlier -- a 44-yard bomb that sliced through the gale and landed in Taurian Washington's hands in the end zone.
The sophomore from Jeanette, Pa., stands 6-foot-6 and weighs 235 pounds. He's almost as thick as Florida's Tim Tebow, but faster. Pryor can make the same throws as Oklahoma's Sam Bradford, but remains a threat to run. In fact, only a handful of Football Bowl Subdivision quarterbacks could have made the throw Pryor completed to Small in the spring game, and even fewer could reproduce the throw Pryor made moments earlier -- a 44-yard bomb that sliced through the gale and landed in Taurian Washington's hands in the end zone.
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Buckeye Nation a sight to behold
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Last Saturday's Ohio State spring game was a big, rich slice of Americana - a spectacle that will prove impossible for those who examine the human condition to try and explain. On a perfect April day, close to 100,000 people drove to Ohio Stadium in nonelectric cars, paid five bucks of nonstimulus money, and gleefully sat for three hours in metal stands with a comfort rating that should require directions to the nearest chiropractic clinic stamped on them. Sociologists, marketing gurus, and even those guys across campus in the English Literature library wearing the tweed sport coats with the leather elbow patches - they will go to their graves trying to figure out this phenomenon. Were there really that many people who didn't have a garden to tend, couldn't get a tee time, or lost their best fishing pole - or is this just the inexplicable allure of Ohio State football.
Oprah wasn't giving away free cars, yet three times the population of the nation of Lichtenstein showed up. Four months before the start of football season, there were more people in the Horseshoe last Saturday to watch the Buckeyes play a meaningless, glorified scrimmage than live in the cities of Fairbanks, Alaska, or Macon, Ga., or Albany, N.Y. After walking off the field, OSU freshman offensive tackle Jack Mewhort just shook his head in amazement and said that was "The Buckeye Nation." It is a Scarlet & Gray homeland without borders, no standing army - unless you count the defensive line - and no legislative body. But as the spring game cha-ching demonstrated, its economy is likely one of the world's most sound.
The gate from that little public practice session last week was close to half a million dollars, and judging from the lines that snaked 30 and 40 deep at every concession counter inside the stadium - the till had to greet two or three times that amount. The quickest way to make a few million without involving Bernie Madoff or any phrase with the word cartel in it, is to simply assemble the Buckeyes - and the masses will muster. The fiscal clout of this franchise is significant enough to get OSU a seat at the next G7 Economic Summit, and once word of the Buckeyes' considerable spreadsheet spreads, Somali pirates will soon be patrolling the Olentangy, looking to extort a piece of the action.
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Last Saturday's Ohio State spring game was a big, rich slice of Americana - a spectacle that will prove impossible for those who examine the human condition to try and explain. On a perfect April day, close to 100,000 people drove to Ohio Stadium in nonelectric cars, paid five bucks of nonstimulus money, and gleefully sat for three hours in metal stands with a comfort rating that should require directions to the nearest chiropractic clinic stamped on them. Sociologists, marketing gurus, and even those guys across campus in the English Literature library wearing the tweed sport coats with the leather elbow patches - they will go to their graves trying to figure out this phenomenon. Were there really that many people who didn't have a garden to tend, couldn't get a tee time, or lost their best fishing pole - or is this just the inexplicable allure of Ohio State football.
Oprah wasn't giving away free cars, yet three times the population of the nation of Lichtenstein showed up. Four months before the start of football season, there were more people in the Horseshoe last Saturday to watch the Buckeyes play a meaningless, glorified scrimmage than live in the cities of Fairbanks, Alaska, or Macon, Ga., or Albany, N.Y. After walking off the field, OSU freshman offensive tackle Jack Mewhort just shook his head in amazement and said that was "The Buckeye Nation." It is a Scarlet & Gray homeland without borders, no standing army - unless you count the defensive line - and no legislative body. But as the spring game cha-ching demonstrated, its economy is likely one of the world's most sound.
The gate from that little public practice session last week was close to half a million dollars, and judging from the lines that snaked 30 and 40 deep at every concession counter inside the stadium - the till had to greet two or three times that amount. The quickest way to make a few million without involving Bernie Madoff or any phrase with the word cartel in it, is to simply assemble the Buckeyes - and the masses will muster. The fiscal clout of this franchise is significant enough to get OSU a seat at the next G7 Economic Summit, and once word of the Buckeyes' considerable spreadsheet spreads, Somali pirates will soon be patrolling the Olentangy, looking to extort a piece of the action.
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well seeing as how this is a Ohio State Buckeyes Thread...I'll try to stay to topic and just revolve around Pryor being a joke and not a leader and not mention other QB's or players of other teams.Gixxer wrote:
you really have mental issues don't you?
then TT should not be in college, because TP is ALREADY BETTER
Yes he is better you are right about that. If you break down their stats it even supports that. TT had more rushing yards last year, but TP easily out threw him and has more TD's in 1 year then TT has in 2.Gixxer wrote:
you really have mental issues don't you?
then TT should not be in college, because TP is ALREADY BETTER
well like I said..i'd rather not turn the thread away from topic...but you have to be a good runner and passer and a even better LEADER to be "Better"... and Pryor is not a good leader..he doesn't have the rushing but TT doesn't exactly have the passing "YET" behind him.Roody wrote:Yes he is better you are right about that. If you break down their stats it even supports that. TT had more rushing yards last year, but TP easily out threw him and has more TD's in 1 year then TT has in 2.
You want someone with all 3 of those..then Tebow is your guy.
If you aren't willing to take criticism even after you dish it out then my suggestion is don't post in a thread Sava. It may not be about the topic at hand, but you open yourself up to criticism regardless. Now you can dispute that, but regardless it will still come up if you do it.Sava700 wrote:well like I said..i'd rather not turn the thread away from topic...but you have to be a good runner and passer and a even better LEADER to be "Better"... and Pryor is not a good leader..he doesn't have the rushing but TT doesn't exactly have the passing "YET" behind him.
You want someone with all 3 of those..then Tebow is your guy.
You can throw whatever criticism you wish but your the one that preaches to stay on topic and stay somewhat positive which I did. I agree that Pryor is a good passer which was positive for him.Roody wrote:If you aren't willing to take criticism even after you dish it out then my suggestion is don't post in a thread Sava. It may not be about the topic at hand, but you open yourself up to criticism regardless. Now you can dispute that, but regardless it will still come up if you do it.
Now you can dispute that, but regardless it won't matter either way if you do it.
To respect Gix and his thread here I'd like to stay on topic just as requested... deviate all you wish but it only hurts your own credibility.
your main point is that TP is a joke. he is anything but. the whole country seems to know/think that he is a freak of nature athlete, but you.Sava700 wrote:You can throw whatever criticism you wish but your the one that preaches to stay on topic and stay somewhat positive which I did. I agree that Pryor is a good passer which was positive for him.
Now you can dispute that, but regardless it won't matter either way if you do it.
To respect Gix and his thread here I'd like to stay on topic just as requested... deviate all you wish but it only hurts your own credibility.
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Well even a two headed horse is considered a freak of nature but ok... LOLGixxer wrote:your main point is that TP is a joke. he is anything but. the whole country seems to know/think that he is a freak of nature athlete, but you.
yeah he's not a leader... not a good QB cause a good QB is all 3 as I mentioned before and he lacks 2 of them.
Forgive me if it appears you are hiding behind the topic. Gixxer and my desire to obtain a comparison is legit. Your argument that Pryor isn't a good qb, but somehow Taylor is which you have stated in other threads is what leads us to question your own credibility on the subject. Not sure I would state you have been positive regarding things we discussed as much as you at least when it came to USC have tended to stick to saying very little at all.Sava700 wrote:You can throw whatever criticism you wish but your the one that preaches to stay on topic and stay somewhat positive which I did. I agree that Pryor is a good passer which was positive for him.
Now you can dispute that, but regardless it won't matter either way if you do it.
To respect Gix and his thread here I'd like to stay on topic just as requested... deviate all you wish but it only hurts your own credibility.
Of course of additional irony is the fact you only give Pryor credit for his passing skills which in comparison to his rushing ability isn't as good. Naturally as a QB in their offense his passing numbers will be greater, but TP's biggest asset is the threat he presents both running and passing.
I won't really respond to this to stay on topic.. not hiding behind it but your skirting off it big time by wanting me to defend Taylor when I already said he isn't a good passer "YET" in a earlier post.Roody wrote:Forgive me if it appears you are hiding behind the topic. Gixxer and my desire to obtain a comparison is legit. Your argument that Pryor isn't a good qb, but somehow Taylor is which you have stated in other threads is what leads us to question your own credibility on the subject. Not sure I would state you have been positive regarding things we discussed as much as you at least when it came to USC have tended to stick to saying very little at all.
Of course of additional irony is the fact you only give Pryor credit for his passing skills which in comparison to his rushing ability isn't as good. Naturally as a QB in their offense his passing numbers will be greater, but TP's biggest asset is the threat he presents both running and passing.
I mean your amazing....you want me to stay on topic and not derail a thread but then when I try to you accuse me of hiding behind it. I think we should just stop with that and stay ON topic and not deviate for the sake of Gix and his thread he has here.
Clearly you aren't getting what I stated since you are still questioning it. With that in mind we will leave it as is.Sava700 wrote:I won't really respond to this to stay on topic.. not hiding behind it but your skirting off it big time by wanting me to defend Taylor when I already said he isn't a good passer "YET" in a earlier post.
I mean your amazing....you want me to stay on topic and not derail a thread but then when I try to you accuse me of hiding behind it. I think we should just stop with that and stay ON topic and not deviate for the sake of Gix and his thread he has here.
Tebow should have more rushing yards since Florida runs the spread most of the times. Tebow can also cure swine flu and beat Chuck Norris as well.Roody wrote:Yes he is better you are right about that. If you break down their stats it even supports that. TT had more rushing yards last year, but TP easily out threw him and has more TD's in 1 year then TT has in 2.
I think Pryor is gonna be a stat monster but time will tell how clutch he really is...
Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it. - JP II
Ha. Maybe its because living in the south I see a lot about Tebow.Roody wrote:I was meaning Tyrod Taylor from Va. Tech.
I hate to say that being a Michigan fan but if I were starting a team I would take Pryor over Taylor.
Tyrod Taylor #5 QB
2008 STATS
RATING YARDS TOUCHDOWNS
103.25 1,036 2
Terrelle Pryor #2 QB
2008 STATS
RATING YARDS TOUCHDOWNS
146.50 1,311 12
Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it. - JP II
While I agree which way the stats fall..you also have to look at what each QB had to fall upon as for receivers, O-line and so on. If Pryor had the Leadership skills that many others have had or have I'd pick him too but he's slower on the rush, he takes the sacks while in the pocket vs discarding the ball safely and he continues to bad mouth situations as we've discussed early on which isn't a characteristic of a good leader. I'd rather have a QB that can be quick on his feet and think outside the box rather depend on their throwing arm all the time. Tebow is all that and then some...and yes I think he might be able to handle Chuck Norris too... is Tyrod that? No, of course not... not right now anyway but he's got some years to go and so does Pryor..but right now only thing I see Pryor as is a Joke till proven otherwise. Perhaps this year he may show me differently.tao_jones wrote:Ha. Maybe its because living in the south I see a lot about Tebow.
I hate to say that being a Michigan fan but if I were starting a team I would take Pryor over Taylor.
Tyrod Taylor #5 QB
2008 STATS
RATING YARDS TOUCHDOWNS
103.25 1,036 2
Terrelle Pryor #2 QB
2008 STATS
RATING YARDS TOUCHDOWNS
146.50 1,311 12
Now I hope I haven't done wrong in talking about other players away from the OSU topic but seein as others have I think its ok this time around.
I understand. I hear about Tebow to much myself.tao_jones wrote:Ha. Maybe its because living in the south I see a lot about Tebow.
I hate to say that being a Michigan fan but if I were starting a team I would take Pryor over Taylor.
Tyrod Taylor #5 QB
2008 STATS
RATING YARDS TOUCHDOWNS
103.25 1,036 2
Terrelle Pryor #2 QB
2008 STATS
RATING YARDS TOUCHDOWNS
146.50 1,311 12
No Sava you didn't do anything wrong there. Again I think this situation is different from the accusations you previously received. I commend you for taking a step forward with your remarks, but it's reasonable to compare like minded QB's to each other even if a thread title isn't specifically about one of them. Also, you got alot of your grief because you were always negative in these threads. Like I stated to you though the more you show an unbiased attitude the more slack you will be given.Sava700 wrote:
Now I hope I haven't done wrong in talking about other players away from the OSU topic but seein as others have I think its ok this time around.
LOL you think I lose sleep over this? Don't worry your pretty little head about me getting grief...Roody wrote:No Sava you didn't do anything wrong there. Again I think this situation is different from the accusations you previously received. I commend you for taking a step forward with your remarks, but it's reasonable to compare like minded QB's to each other even if a thread title isn't specifically about one of them. Also, you got alot of your grief because you were always negative in these threads. Like I stated to you though the more you show an unbiased attitude the more slack you will be given.
anyway... back to Tebow vs Chuck Norris
tao_jones wrote:Ha. Maybe its because living in the south I see a lot about Tebow.
I hate to say that being a Michigan fan but if I were starting a team I would take Pryor over Taylor.
Tyrod Taylor #5 QB
2008 STATS
RATING YARDS TOUCHDOWNS
103.25 1,036 2
Terrelle Pryor #2 QB
2008 STATS
RATING YARDS TOUCHDOWNS
146.50 1,311 12
TP was a TRUE frosh...TT had "experience" how embarassing
a.k.a. GSXR 750
I didn't think you would lose sleep. I was addressing your comment. I thought my response was a nice gesture. Sorry you took it completely the wrong way.Sava700 wrote:LOL you think I lose sleep over this? Don't worry your pretty little head about me getting grief...
anyway... back to Tebow vs Chuck Norris
while this is an OSU thread i do not and will not get mad in talking about others. as far as TP's mistakes....the KID is 18 and had no college experience. they threw him to the wolves and he handled it with way more maturity than an 18 yo.Sava700 wrote:While I agree which way the stats fall..you also have to look at what each QB had to fall upon as for receivers, O-line and so on. If Pryor had the Leadership skills that many others have had or have I'd pick him too but he's slower on the rush, he takes the sacks while in the pocket vs discarding the ball safely and he continues to bad mouth situations as we've discussed early on which isn't a characteristic of a good leader. I'd rather have a QB that can be quick on his feet and think outside the box rather depend on their throwing arm all the time. Tebow is all that and then some...and yes I think he might be able to handle Chuck Norris too... is Tyrod that? No, of course not... not right now anyway but he's got some years to go and so does Pryor..but right now only thing I see Pryor as is a Joke till proven otherwise. Perhaps this year he may show me differently.
Now I hope I haven't done wrong in talking about other players away from the OSU topic but seein as others have I think its ok this time around.
a.k.a. GSXR 750
where is the little OSU kid flipping the bird?
