Criminalization and legalization
World laws on marijuana possession (small amount).
U.S. Federal Bureau of Narcotics PSA used in the late 1930s and 1940s.Main article: Legality of marijuana
Since the beginning of the 20th century, most countries have enacted laws against the cultivation, possession, or transfer of marijuana for recreational use. These laws have impacted adversely on the marijuana plant's cultivation for non-recreational purposes, but there are many regions where, under certain circumstances, handling of cannabis is legal or licensed. Many jurisdictions have lessened the penalties for possession of small quantities of marijuana, so that it is punished by confiscation or a fine, rather than imprisonment, focusing more intensely on those who traffic the drug on the black market. There are also changes in a more restrictive direction such as the closing of coffee shops in the Netherlands, the closing of the open drug market in Christiania, Copenhagen and the higher minimum penalties as in Canada. Although recently in Canada the use of marijuana has been decriminalized and laws in certain provinces (such as British Columbia) have been un-enforced. Some jurisdictions use mandatory treatment programs for frequent known users with freedom from narcotic drugs as goal. Simple possession can carry long prison terms in some countries, particularly in East Asia, where the sale of marijuana may lead to a sentence of life in prison or even execution.
Congressman introduces bill to decriminalize personal marijuana use
Marijuana's relationship with other drugs
Since its origin in the 1950s, the "gateway drug" hypothesis has been one of the central pillars of marijuana drug policy in the United States. The argument is that people, upon trying marijuana for the first time and not finding it dangerous, are then tempted to indulge in other, more powerful drugs.
Some studies support the "gateway drug" model. An example from 2007: A stratified, random sample of 1943 adolescents was recruited from secondary schools across Victoria, Australia, at age 14.15 years. This cohort was interviewed on eight occasions until the age of 24.25 years. At age 24 years, 12% of the sample had used amphetamines in the past year, with 1.2% using at least weekly. Young adult amphetamine use was predicted strongly by adolescent drug use and was associated robustly with other drug use and dependence in young adulthood. Associations were stronger for more frequent users. Among young adults who had not been using amphetamines at age 20 years, the strongest predictor of use at age 24 years was the use of other drugs, particularly marijuana, at 20 years.[56] Those who were smoking marijuana at the age of 15 were as much as 15 times more likely to be using amphetamines in their early 20s.
Comparison of addiction vs. physical harm for 20 drugs as estimated by an article in The LancetA current doctoral thesis from Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm, on the neurobiological effects of early life marijuana exposure, gives support for the marijuana gateway hypothesis in relation to adult opiate abuse. THC exposed rats showed increased motivation for opiate drug use under conditions of stress.
A study published in The Lancet on 24 March 2007 was twenty drugs were assigned a risk from zero to three. Dr. David Nutt et al. asked medical, scientific and legal experts to rate 20 different drugs on nine parameters:
Physical harm (Acute, Chronic, and Intravenous harm)
Dependence (Intensity of pleasure, Psychological dependence, Physical dependence)
Social harms (Intoxication, Other social harms, Health-care costs)
Marijuana was ranked seventeenth of twenty for mean physical harm score and eleventh for mean dependence score. Not shown is the mean social harm score, which rated ninth, in a tie with Amphetamine.
Since its origin in the 1950s, the "gateway drug" hypothesis has been one of the central pillars of marijuana drug policy in the United States. The argument is that people, upon trying marijuana for the first time and not finding it dangerous, are then tempted to indulge in other, more powerful drugs.
Some studies support the "gateway drug" model. An example from 2007: A stratified, random sample of 1943 adolescents was recruited from secondary schools across Victoria, Australia, at age 14.15 years. This cohort was interviewed on eight occasions until the age of 24.25 years. At age 24 years, 12% of the sample had used amphetamines in the past year, with 1.2% using at least weekly. Young adult amphetamine use was predicted strongly by adolescent drug use and was associated robustly with other drug use and dependence in young adulthood. Associations were stronger for more frequent users. Among young adults who had not been using amphetamines at age 20 years, the strongest predictor of use at age 24 years was the use of other drugs, particularly marijuana, at 20 years.[56] Those who were smoking marijuana at the age of 15 were as much as 15 times more likely to be using amphetamines in their early 20s.
Comparison of addiction vs. physical harm for 20 drugs as estimated by an article in The LancetA current doctoral thesis from Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm, on the neurobiological effects of early life marijuana exposure, gives support for the marijuana gateway hypothesis in relation to adult opiate abuse. THC exposed rats showed increased motivation for opiate drug use under conditions of stress.
A study published in The Lancet on 24 March 2007 was twenty drugs were assigned a risk from zero to three. Dr. David Nutt et al. asked medical, scientific and legal experts to rate 20 different drugs on nine parameters:
Physical harm (Acute, Chronic, and Intravenous harm)
Dependence (Intensity of pleasure, Psychological dependence, Physical dependence)
Social harms (Intoxication, Other social harms, Health-care costs)
Marijuana was ranked seventeenth of twenty for mean physical harm score and eleventh for mean dependence score. Not shown is the mean social harm score, which rated ninth, in a tie with Amphetamine.
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Koldchillah touched on it a bit earlier when he said personal responsibility has to be considered. I do believe and evidence has shown (and some has disputed that) that pot is a gateway drug, but ultimately it's still up to the individual person to make the choice not to take that step.Gixxer wrote:http://www.marijuanaaddiction.info/
This "fool" disagrees.Leatherneck wrote:Any fool knows pot is (generally) a gateway drug.
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Roody wrote:Koldchillah touched on it a bit earlier when he said personal responsibility has to be considered. I do believe and evidence has shown (and some has disputed that) that pot is a gateway drug, but ultimately it's still up to the individual person to make the choice not to take that step.
JAMA publishes studies, like any other journal. If the article was sponsered by The Partnership for a Drug-Free America, any area of subjectivity or data manipulation will favor their itinerary.
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There again man even if every piece of evidence in the world disagreed with me my own experiences has told me that it is a gateway drug. People can feel free to disagree that's fine. I can only speak of what I know.David wrote:JAMA publishes studies, like any other journal. If the article was sponsered by The Partnership for a Drug-Free America, any area of subjectivity or data manipulation will favor their itinerary.
izzo:Roody wrote:Do you have any class at all as a person or is it always in your best interest to come across like an arrogant prick? If you want to debate issues then like you said to Gixxer act like an adult. Adults don't mock people when they are debating serious issues. That's stuff little kids do.
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If you want to debate issues then like you said to Gixxer act like an adult. ... what? izzo practice what he preaches? whoever heard of such a thing!
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You lose credibility when you disregard hard data in favor of your clear, emotionally biased opinion ...and yeah I let it loose. I know how you feel about it, Roody but if you boil it down it was your friends poor judgment that got him killed ...not marijuana alone. The reason I answered 'No' to your question is like I said ...there have only been a handful of people in the history of Earth that have died by marijuana alone...now if you add poor judgment on top of that ...then the number skyrockets. It comes down to a choice ....stop looking for a scapegoat.
You lose credibility when you disregard hard data in favor of your clear, emotionally biased opinion ...and yeah I let it loose. I know how you feel about it, Roody but if you boil it down it was your friends poor judgment that got him killed ...not marijuana alone. The reason I answered 'No' to your question is like I said ...there have only been a handful of people in the history of Earth that have died by marijuana alone...now if you add poor judgment on top of that ...then the number skyrockets. It comes down to a choice ....stop looking for a scapegoat.
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You apparently can't read. I not only offered up personal experience which you can't, but hard data also so spare me the credibility argument because you lost yours months ago.Izzo wrote:You lose credibility when you disregard hard data in favor of your clear, emotionally biased opinion ...and yeah I let it loose. I know how you feel about it, Roody but if you boil it down it was your friends poor judgment that got him killed ...not marijuana alone. The reason I answered 'No' to your question is like I said ...there have only been a handful of people in the history of Earth that have died by marijuana alone...now if you add poor judgment on top of that ...then the number skyrockets. It comes down to a choice ....stop looking for a scapegoat.
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YARDofSTUF wrote:Ya know at one point this thread was going good, it seemed like me and roody were understanding each better, and that it might turn out like a nice peaceful debate.
Now it seems more likely this thread is a gateway thread to infractions. lol
Theory shot to hell, as I have not got any yet.
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Actually it speaks of the power of interests in promoting their perspectives.Roody wrote:There again man even if every piece of evidence in the world disagreed with me my own experiences has told me that it is a gateway drug. People can feel free to disagree that's fine. I can only speak of what I know.
Why is marijuana the gateway and not alcohol? I could argue that the majority of those who smoked first drank.
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It is my ambition to say in ten sentences what others say in a whole book. - Friedrich Nietzsche
I have claimed throughout this whole thread that I think alcohol is a gateway also. For some reason everyone thinks that because I am talking about marijuana and the fact it's a gateway drug that somehow it means that it's the only gateway drug. I don't believe it is.David wrote:Actually it speaks of the power of interests in promoting their perspectives.
Why is marijuana the gateway and not alcohol? I could argue that the majority of those who smoked first drank.
This garden has many gates.... At a certain point, anything can appear as the open door. Add prescription and otc drugs, huffing and strangulation to the mix, if you like.Roody wrote:I have claimed throughout this whole thread that I think alcohol is a gateway also. For some reason everyone thinks that because I am talking about marijuana and the fact it's a gateway drug that somehow it means that it's the only gateway drug. I don't believe it is.
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Luck is where preparation meets opportunity - Seneca
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" - Isaac Asimov
It is my ambition to say in ten sentences what others say in a whole book. - Friedrich Nietzsche
That they can which is why I am surprised people are arguing the fact that marijuana is a gateway drug. Apparently some believe there can only be one gateway drug, but there isn't.David wrote:This garden has many gates.... At a certain point, anything can appear as the open door. Add prescription and otc drugs, huffing and strangulation to the mix, if you like.
Roody wrote:You apparently can't read. I not only offered up personal experience which you can't, but hard data also so spare me the credibility argument because you lost yours months ago.
And you cannot see or accept reason. Please, Roody...did you ever do the search on Brent's threads? Didn't think so. You have as much credibility as Gixxer and Sava and you're clearly just regurgitating rhetoric that you've been given for years and it's impeding your ability to think on your own. Pity.
And again you're inability to see outside the box is that I do have personal experience in this area ...more than most all of you put together but I choose to take and consider all factors involved and have come to an informed opinion rather than an emotionally biased one..... you wouldn't understand.
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Ya, but the infractions are given only one way.... See now ..If I told Roody that he couldn't read that would have equalled a red one....but considering Roody is the one saying it....it's A-Ok cuz he's a mod y'know and mod's are always right 'round here.YARDofSTUF wrote:Ya know at one point this thread was going good, it seemed like me and roody were understanding each better, and that it might turn out like a nice peaceful debate.
Now it seems more likely this thread is a gateway thread to infractions. lol
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Personal experience and hard facts have already stood by what I said Izzo. Earlier you claimed you never went through an experience to gauge what this discussion is about, but yet now you have more experience then just about all of us?Izzo wrote:And you cannot see or accept reason. Please, Roody...did you ever do the search on Brent's threads? Didn't think so. You have as much credibility as Gixxer and Sava and you're clearly just regurgitating rhetoric that you've been given for years and it's impeding your ability to think on your own. Pity.
And again you're inability to see outside the box is that I do have personal experience in this area ...more than most all of you put together but I choose to take and consider all factors involved and have come to an informed opinion rather than an emotionally biased one..... you wouldn't understand.
The story seems to change.
There is one huge difference that you leave out. I have never initiated disrespect with you. You on the other hand initiate disrespect all the time. If someone is getting real grief from me it's because of how I am being talked too.Izzo wrote:Ya, but the infractions are given only one way.... See now ..If I told Roody that he couldn't read that would have equalled a red one....but considering Roody is the one saying it....it's A-Ok cuz he's a mod y'know and mod's are always right 'round here.
If you were to take a look at a log showing who gets the most infractions from me it's two people (Burke and you). It has everything to do with how nasty you guys treat people in general. If people disagree with you you insult them and then have the nerve to claim how adult you guys are.
i think he/we are referring to the gateway drug part.Izzo wrote:You lose credibility when you disregard hard data in favor of your clear, emotionally biased opinion ...and yeah I let it loose. I know how you feel about it, Roody but if you boil it down it was your friends poor judgment that got him killed ...not marijuana alone. The reason I answered 'No' to your question is like I said ...there have only been a handful of people in the history of Earth that have died by marijuana alone...now if you add poor judgment on top of that ...then the number skyrockets. It comes down to a choice ....stop looking for a scapegoat.
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fixedYARDofSTUF wrote:Ya know at one point this thread was going good until the izzo jabs, it seemed like me and roody were understanding each better, and that it might turn out like a nice peaceful debate.
Now it seems more likely this thread is a gateway thread to infractions. lol
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No it doesn't nor it hasn't changed. As I said you're unable to understand it because you can't think outside your little box.Roody wrote:Personal experience and hard facts have already stood by what I said Izzo. Earlier you claimed you never went through an experience to gauge what this discussion is about, but yet now you have more experience then just about all of us?
The story seems to change.
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On this page you accused me of being classless and and arrogant prick ( which Gixxer agreed with) and that I can't read. Of course that wasn't disrespect...none at all. I'd like to see verifiable evidence that you received infractions for those as it was clear what your motive was.Roody wrote:There is one huge difference that you leave out. I have never initiated disrespect with you. You on the other hand initiate disrespect all the time. If someone is getting real grief from me it's because of how I am being talked too.
If you were to take a look at a log showing who gets the most infractions from me it's two people (Burke and you). It has everything to do with how nasty you guys treat people in general. If people disagree with you you insult them and then have the nerve to claim how adult you guys are.
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If it hasn't changed then I would suggest going back and re-wording what you typed because earlier you flat out admitted you never went through an experience that even approached the one I did. If me reading exactly what you said means I am not thinking outside the box then I can live with that. Much better to read what it is you said then not too.Izzo wrote:No it doesn't nor it hasn't changed. As I said you're unable to understand it because you can't think outside your little box.
Originally Posted by Roody
So is that a yes or no to personally witnessing the death of another person based on the sole use of marijuana alone?
Originally Posted by Izzo
Of course not because in the history of the world there may be a handful if that.
you have no right to say that as you bait/insult/downtalk those who you disagree/dislike every chance you get and took forever to get you banned. i EVENTUALLY started, but only to you to give you some of your medi and it took me about a week or two to get banned when i know you had to have 10349287529 red cards. i had 2.Izzo wrote:Ya, but the infractions are given only one way.... See now ..If I told Roody that he couldn't read that would have equalled a red one....but considering Roody is the one saying it....it's A-Ok cuz he's a mod y'know and mod's are always right 'round here.
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I have every right so stfu.Gixxer wrote:you have no right to say that as you bait/insult/downtalk those who you disagree/dislike every chance you get and took forever to get you banned. i EVENTUALLY started, but only to you to give you some of your medi and it took me about a week or two to get banned when i know you had to have 10349287529 red cards. i had 2.
edit> Thanks for admitting to be the trolling POS you are. Mods ....got any balls to do something about that?
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YARDofSTUF wrote:I wondered how long until you'd start back in on your pre-ban ways.
did you say the same to izzo? because he did before me. your one sidedness shows weakness. i did not bait him/insult/downtalk him. i simply stated he was throwing jabs. what is the problem with that? explain?
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you are gonna love this .....Izzo wrote:On this page you accused me of being classless and and arrogant prick ( which Gixxer agreed with) and that I can't read. Of course that wasn't disrespect...none at all. I'd like to see verifiable evidence that you received infractions for those as it was clear what your motive was.
you started it!!!!
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