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[Izzo]

nice tool knightmare!

naughty girl.

[Loonatic]

yeah but for HOME defense you might not be thinking clearly, and with the revolver you point and shoot. Don't have to worry about if there is one in the chamber, if the safety is on (non glock i know). What are you gonna be concealing it for for home defense?

Well as a future Law enforcement officer, Ill want a competent off duty weapon. If Im going to have a gun in the house, kids, wife, whatever, Ill want a gun that wont just "point and shoot." Ill have a trigger lock and safety for it.

[BroncoSport]

Well as a future Law enforcement officer, Ill want a competent off duty weapon. If Im going to have a gun in the house, kids, wife, whatever, Ill want a gun that wont just "point and shoot." Ill have a trigger lock and safety for it.

And while your wife is fiddling with the trigger lock and trying to chamber a round, the boogie man will kill her and your kids.

I was raised in a house loaded with guns, and I NEVER concidered picking one up to play with it. My dad taught me how to shoot at a very young age and showed and described to me very clearly what would happen to a human if shot, by demonstrating what a bullet would do to a 2 x 4, a 55 gal drum, pumkin, ect.... It is all in the education, imo. I would never lock the guns up with trigger locks. Now I am not against placing the gun in a safe place, but when the time comes where the weapon is needed, I do not want to be delayed by...."where is the damn key to this lock" or "where are the bullets" or "I pulled the trigger and nothing happened (not chambered)"

Just my .02

[CableDude]

*lurking

[Loonatic]

And while your wife is fiddling with the trigger lock and trying to chamber a round, the boogie man will kill her and your kids.

I was raised in a house loaded with guns, and I NEVER concidered picking one up to play with it. My dad taught me how to shoot at a very young age and showed and described to me very clearly what would happen to a human if shot, by demonstrating what a bullet would do to a 2 x 4, a 55 gal drum, pumkin, ect.... It is all in the education, imo. I would never lock the guns up with trigger locks. Now I am not against placing the gun in a safe place, but when the time comes where the weapon is needed, I do not want to be delayed by...."where is the damn key to this lock" or "where are the bullets" or "I pulled the trigger and nothing happened (not chambered)"

Just my .02

I grew up with guns in the house. My dad was a cop as I grew up. I knew not to ever touch em and he kept it out of reach. I would teach my kids the same way. I most likely wouldnt even bother with the trigger lock for the reasons you mentioned.

[RoscoPColtrane]

Anyone who has kids NEEDs to educate them on how to respect guns. Keeping your home defense gun completely locked up and safe kinda makes it hard to access. I really like those safes that have the slots for your finger and you just push the code in that way and the door drops down. They aren't very expensive either. All in all education will keep you in the best position i would htink!

[Debbie]

[quote="Izzo"]naughty girl. ]

[knightmare]

[quote="Izzo"]naughty girl. ]

wow, that one went by me..lol

[Izzo]

wow, that one went by me..lol

It's all good.

[Gixxer]

relocate to a safer nieghbourhood

this IS a safe neighborhood ... it is a midsize upscale town ... i live next to the firechief for fires sake

[Sava700]

this IS a safe neighborhood ... it is a midsize upscale town ... i live next to the firechief for fires sake

get him to stand with his hose to hose the guy down then!

[Gixxer]

for all of the suggestions...i have taken some into consideration and even started to implement others. I have turned to everyone I coudl think of for suggestions, even my friend who was on the Secret Service, and i have to say out of all those people you people have had some of the best ideas.

THANKS AGAIN....


NICOLAI

[knightmare]

for all of the suggestions...i have taken some into consideration and even started to implement others. I have turned to everyone I coudl think of for suggestions, even my friend who was on the Secret Service, and i have to say out of all those people you people have had some of the best ideas.

THANKS AGAIN....


NICOLAI

Best of luck.........

(maybe with a name like Nicolai, possibility of KGB?) j/k.. bro

keep your pimp hand strong.

[Gixxer]

Best of luck.........

(maybe with a name like Nicolai, possibility of KGB?) j/k.. bro

keep your pimp hand strong.

ex-KGB

[wee96]

ex-KGB

[Sava700]

ex-KGB

no wonder you have people jerkin on your door knob LMAO!!!

[cyberskye]

some people are extemely close minded about guns. I find it funny tho that 9 times out of 10 these are the ones asking others to be open minded to gay marriage/ abortion and such.

Wow - you really compare the two? Gay marriage hasn't accidentally killed any innocent bystanders - at least to my knowledge.

I have never seen GM as a potential threat to my personal safety; while my neighbor having a military-grade assault rifle does make me worry about my personal safety - especially when the bullets can pass through walls.

I'd really be interested in hearing the similarities in your mind. Might help me understand why people are so pro-banning-gay-marriage.

[Debbie]

for all of the suggestions...i have taken some into consideration and even started to implement others. I have turned to everyone I coudl think of for suggestions, even my friend who was on the Secret Service, and i have to say out of all those people you people have had some of the best ideas.

THANKS AGAIN....


NICOLAI

Hey Nic, keep us posted!

[SpareX]

Hey Nic, keep us posted!

yes do,

What measures are you going through with?

perhaps once we know what you've done so far we can help sugest further.

[Gixxer]

Hey Nic, keep us posted!

my SS guy said that when he was doing a little surveillance, on Dec 6th that a blue or black truck was backing out of my driveway as he was coming around the corner ... my wifes car was in the drivaeway as well .... a month ago i caught a blue or black truck a block over flashing his headlights and when i started to run after him he started his truck and backed into the nearest driveway and took off .... coincidence ... i doubt it ... ... i hope she is not doing anything because as my friend as told her she better know what will happen if i catch her...i do not and will not descriminate with the ass whippings ... not that i would want to hurt her, but as my friend said you will turn back to who you used to be in the blink of an eye and all hell will break loose ... i am afraid he's right.....

[SpareX]

Then you may have a problem..

All the security in the world is usless if someone on the inside is helping..

[Sava700]

Bond... James Bond

[RoscoPColtrane]

[quote="cyberskye"]Wow - you really compare the two? Gay marriage hasn't accidentally killed any innocent bystanders - at least to my knowledge.

I have never seen GM as a potential threat to my personal safety]


Hey San Fran eh? go figure. I didn't say they are comparable im just talking about peple being close minded to what they feel is right and just. I feel i have a RIGHT to use and own firearms. YOu feel you have a right to have sex with those of the same sex....You think im nuts, i think your nuts....thats the comparision i guess.

[Gixxer]

i am soooooooo stressed out about all of this i started smoking again after a 6 year hiatus ... dammit

[cyberskye]

Hey San Fran eh? go figure. I didn't say they are comparable im just talking about peple being close minded to what they feel is right and just. I feel i have a RIGHT to use and own firearms. YOu feel you have a right to have sex with those of the same sex....You think im nuts, i think your nuts....thats the comparision i guess.

I don't think you're nuts. I just don't want to get shot for sitting in my living room watching TV.

I believe you have the right to have a gun. I believe I have the right to not worry about getting killed by you.

Believe me, I'm not anti-gun per se`(again, I don't see why civilians need military equipment). At the same time, I don't see how gay marriage could possibly pose a danger to others]possibly [/I] could. I therefore was curous as to why you would compare the two. Being open minded and valuing personal security are totally different things.

I'm straight and don't like guns, but for me, it's all about respecting everyone's rights. The right to defend yourself, the right to love and the right to live.

It sometimes seems that liberals are interested in protecting everyone's rights, but many conservatives are interested in only protecting their own - even at the expense of others'. But that's just my observation.

[knightmare]

i am soooooooo stressed out about all of this i started smoking again after a 6 year hiatus ... dammit

eh, paper or plastic?

[RoscoPColtrane]

I don't think you're nuts. I just don't want to get shot for sitting in my living room watching TV.

I believe you have the right to have a gun. I believe I have the right to not worry about getting killed by you.

Believe me, I'm not anti-gun per se`(again, I don't see why civilians need military equipment). At the same time, I don't see how gay marriage could possibly pose a danger to others]possibly [/I] could. I therefore was curous as to why you would compare the two. Being open minded and valuing personal security are totally different things.

I'm straight and don't like guns, but for me, it's all about respecting everyone's rights. The right to defend yourself, the right to love and the right to live.


It sometimes seems that liberals are interested in protecting everyone's rights, but many conservatives are interested in only protecting their own - even at the expense of others'. But that's just my observation.

If you take 'military' equipment off of law abiding citizens you will then have nothing but criminals armed. Then they will be free to do as they please. Considering what San Fran just did about everyones right in that city, i would say there is a good chance you will have a first hand look at this...

Glad that cities/states should have the ability to change amendments to the constitution when they see fit....

[wee96]

Guns arent only used by military, they are hunting tools as well. There are also sports such as skeet shooting, which obviously require a shotgun. I cant stand it when people use the whole military vs. civilian stuff about guns. Everyone has the right to have a gun, thats one of the things made clear in our countries creation.

[cyberskye]

If you take 'military' equipment off of law abiding citizens you will then have nothing but criminals armed. Then they will be free to do as they please. Considering what San Fran just did about everyones right in that city, i would say there is a good chance you will have a first hand look at this...

Glad that cities/states should have the ability to change amendments to the constitution when they see fit....

There is a difference between Assault rifles and what is required for self-defense. I loved the arguement that armor piercing rounds are needed for hunting...

The reason SF passed the referendum is because the number of un-involved innocents (meaning even if they were armed, they wouldn't have been able to defend themselves) being killed was much higher than criminals killed in self defense - at least these were the stats on TV during the campaign. This is also a very small city, very old buildings - they don't stop bullets so well.

Besides - we need to protect our IT indunstry

[cyberskye]

Guns arent only used by military, they are hunting tools as well. There are also sports such as skeet shooting, which obviously require a shotgun. I cant stand it when people use the whole military vs. civilian stuff about guns. Everyone has the right to have a gun, thats one of the things made clear in our countries creation.

A gun can be an M16 or a .38. I don't understand why civilians need an M16. Military weapons (like assault rifles) penetrate walls better than non-military (handguns, shotguns, etc)

[Bastid]

There is a difference between Assault rifles and what is required for self-defense. I loved the arguement that armor piercing rounds are needed for hunting...

are you kidding? deer can be quite wiley...

[wee96]

A gun can be an M16 or a .38. I don't understand why civilians need an M16. Military weapons (like assault rifles) penetrate walls better than non-military (handguns, shotguns, etc)

Because maybe they want one? No reason not to either, its well within our rights.

[Bastid]

A gun can be an M16 or a .38. I don't understand why civilians need an M16. Military weapons (like assault rifles) penetrate walls better than non-military (handguns, shotguns, etc)

actually this point is quite moot... an M16 is just a particular conveyance, i can get the same round in a bolt action rifle, plus i can get much heavy rounds/ammo for bigger rifles... and may need those higher calibers depending on what i might be hunting...

[cyberskye]

Because maybe they want one? No reason not to either, its well within our rights.

It sometimes seems that liberals are interested in protecting everyone's rights, but many conservatives are interested in only protecting their own - even at the expense of others'. But that's just my observation.

Exhibit A.

Your justification for putting your neighbors life at risk - "Because I have the right to." No other reason?

[Bastid]

A gun can be an M16 or a .38. I don't understand why civilians need an M16. Military weapons (like assault rifles) penetrate walls better than non-military (handguns, shotguns, etc)

and besides, we are allowed to have these weapons (of military grade) to be able to take on the military if such need ever arose...read the constitution please

[cyberskye]

actually this point is quite moot... an M16 is just a particular conveyance, i can get the same round in a bolt action rifle, plus i can get much heavy rounds/ammo for bigger rifles... and may need those higher calibers depending on what i might be hunting...

I agree and was possbily over-simplifying - except for hunting deer in flak jackets, any other reason to have the weapon and/or ammo that can pierce it?

[YARDofSTUF]

Yes we have the right to own and use these guns, but using an M16 for self defense isnt the smartest choice as cyberskye has pointed out, for their ability to penetrate walls.

[cyberskye]

and besides, we are allowed to have these weapons (of military grade) to be able to take on the military if such need ever arose...read the constitution please

this IS a safe neighborhood ... it is a midsize upscale town ... i live next to the firechief for fires sake

We are not talking about over-throwing the gov't here, tho - we are talking about discharging a firearm in a residential area. So I guess the assault rifles can stay locked up until the army attacks your town and we can all be happy. Unless they have tanks or APCs or airsupport, in which case this point really is moot.

I really didn't mean to get into gun owners rights. I was just curious as to why someone had compared gun rights and marriage rights. Seemed the two are completely different.

[wee96]

Exhibit A.

Your justification for putting your neighbors life at risk - "Because I have the right to." No other reason?

Im not putting my neighboors life at risk by owning an SKS. When used for home defense, the round could easily become a problem, I wasnt talking about that. We got mixed up here I think.

[Bastid]

yeah we agree that assult weapons are bad for home protection...any high-velocity round is bad for that.