cd copying

monkeyhead · Post by **monkeyhead** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 12:08 am

how do you copy a disc with safedisc...... uhhh need to make backups... not good at keeping my discs in good shape

m4a2t0t · Post by **m4a2t0t** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 12:20 am

whats safedisk?

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 12:30 am

I would suggest you try Clone CD, try and get an older version if you can along with a key.

http://www.elby.org

monkeyhead · Post by **monkeyhead** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 1:45 am

i used blindread/write and its pw codes..... and it let me install the game but not run..... when i just did a regular copy, it copied fine but didnt let me install....

does clonecd do the pw subs thingy? or something different?

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 10:09 am

It does a whole intelligent bad sectory copy of the game.
Which means, that when you copy a game, it may take "hours" just to read it so that you get ALL the bad sectors and gaps in on the CD, like the original.

monkeyhead · Post by **monkeyhead** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 10:36 am

so the best way to try and copy it would be to make an image on the hard drive? and not directly cd copy

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 11:02 am

But the CD- to CD actually does the CD to HD first unless you change it in the settings.

The reason for CD to HD first is to capture everything, but beware, I know that the latest Clone CD has some wierd anti weaksector code for those of us living in Canada and the US, meaning you can't backup certain cds unless "You live in another country."

monkeyhead · Post by **monkeyhead** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 11:05 am

so if i install it and tell it i live in uhhh germany it wont have that thing u mentioned?

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 12:00 pm

but one thing, I've been having trouble finding a reader that does raw+95 reading for my back-ups. So far the Pioneer 16X drive doesn't support it either.

monkeyhead · Post by **monkeyhead** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 12:03 pm

what about plextor?

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 12:21 pm

should work fine for raw-96 reading. might take a while, but it pays to have a plextor.

aagiants · Post by **aagiants** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 4:07 pm

just use clonecd.. Period... It works for all games i have copied.. No need to do nething but copy it normally and it will work. It writes in RAW mode which makes it ignore safedisk...

monkeyhead · Post by **monkeyhead** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 4:50 pm

the copy cd did not work and did not ignore the safedisc, im going to try the write image tonite since it takes like 5 hours

Phantom-Vortex · Post by **Phantom-Vortex** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 5:22 pm

Ok people ......coming from a software pirate (ok ok im bad whatever) I own a plexter 24X ,but really dont need one, but if have download latest firmware for it, now all you will need is clone cd software latest version ,its free on the net just look for it

Advice! read at 1-4X burn it at 1-4X keep it slow so it can break the safedisc Encryption your probably trying to copy a safedisc 2 game if you read\write to fast will not emulate the safedisc onto blank cd.

Safedisc is a digital "wrapper"or "signature" on the original cd that the programmers designed specially to verify its the original,the way it does that is the game is programmed with instructions to look for this signature on the cd every so often (depending on the program) and allways at exe. (startup) to make sure its not pirated.Clone cd will copy these digital signatures and write them onto a cd useing different cd writers.

Make sure you use good quality media (different media for different games\protection)

um.........nuff said...... I may get in some sort of b.s discussing this on here at sg.

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 6:01 pm

Certain CD I find, using Clone CD (I use an older version to avoid another problem), works well with certain games and not others due to the fact that some Readers cannot read the sub-data and sub audio channels of the CD (This from what I know, affects the gaps and the bad sector stuff, which is usually checked for on a cd).

Some games have taken me little over 50 mins to read to an image file and then burn. However, somethings to note, with Clone CD for the best results, you need to get a burn that can do the RAW + 96byte read. Currently I find the newer the game, the harder it is to back up unless you have the RAW+96 capable reader.

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 6:12 pm

Upgrade to the latest firmware for the best results, check out:
http://www.elby.org/CloneCD/english/cdr_p.htm
To see if a firmware update will help you!

monkeyhead · Post by **monkeyhead** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 6:37 pm

what media type would you use... right now im using compusa and sony

monkeyhead · Post by **monkeyhead** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 6:51 pm

it says i cant read subchannel data but can on audio.... so whats that mean.... only RAW

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 8:44 pm

for the media is they type, your either using gold or silver disks (Mitsui technology,one of the two best) or Kodak (Greenish, as good as Mitsui) or Cyanide (Purple Blue, cheapest and worst media)

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 8:47 pm

is that like me, you won't be able to back up certain games using the CD-RW drive as your main reader. You might need to get another reader (I.E a Toshiba DVD-ROM) for you to copy certain games.

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 11:31 pm

from reading what the administration has to say about "illegal warez" other such illegal activities, I'd just like to point out that this is an educational thread for those users who's software agreements allows for them to actually create duplicates so that they don't damager their originals. Please keep that in mind when reading this thread and please do support the good gaming companies out there.

monty · Post by **monty** » Fri Nov 30, 2001 12:50 am

Just a little tip: The latest versions of CloneCD support CD-to-CD copying, though the drives must be on separate IDE channels.

monkeyhead · Post by **monkeyhead** » Fri Nov 30, 2001 9:42 am

really.... can you give any detail on that? why it works on separate ide channels

Phantom-Vortex · Post by **Phantom-Vortex** » Fri Nov 30, 2001 11:27 am

Originally posted by terrancelam
Certain CD I find, using Clone CD (I use an older version to avoid another problem), works well with certain games and not others due to the fact that some Readers cannot read the sub-data and sub audio channels of the CD (This from what I know, affects the gaps and the bad sector stuff, which is usually checked for on a cd).

Some games have taken me little over 50 mins to read to an image file and then burn. However, somethings to note, with Clone CD for the best results, you need to get a burn that can do the RAW + 96byte read. Currently I find the newer the game, the harder it is to back up unless you have the RAW+96 capable reader.

Very true, I have had no problems with the Plexter besides the firmware out the box had issues ,I use Imations silver,sometimes samsung and read and write at slowest speeds.Newest clone cd software has a feature you click on for to make copies of safedisc cds.Keep in mind sometimes when you burn copy protected software it will only be able to read in the same drive you made it from (like I said sometimes)

What cd are you trying to make a backup of (game)?I have done just about all of them.Look up updated firmwares for your cd drive it mmmm may help but i doubt it.

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Fri Nov 30, 2001 11:59 am

cd of Diablo 2: LOD is getting scratched up like a momo because stupid sis once used the data side for a coaster!

I've done some checking, it's got securomV2 on it...some crazy shiznah boys..

monkeyhead · Post by **monkeyhead** » Fri Nov 30, 2001 1:47 pm

nhl 2002

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Fri Nov 30, 2001 5:38 pm

It might have safedisk2, which means you have to try this setting:

Device Capabilities:
Note: This information is provided by the unit, it might be inaccurate. CloneCD does not use this information!
Manufacturer: HL-DT-ST
Product: CD-RW GCE-8160B
Revision: 1.02
Can read CD-R Discs: Yes
Can read CD-RW Discs: Yes
Can read DVD Discs: No
Can read MultiSession Discs: Yes
Can read Digital Audio Discs: Yes
Digital Audio Data is accurate: Yes
Can write CD-R Discs: Yes
Can write CD-RW Discs: Yes
Compatible with CloneCD RAW-DAO: Yes
Compatible with CloneCD RAW-DAO Write Simulation: Yes
Supports writing of CD+G RAW-DAO: Yes
Compatible with CloneCD RAW-SAO: Yes
Compatible with CloneCD RAW-SAO Write Simulation: Yes
Supports Burn Proof / Just Link: Yes

CloneCD Read settings used:
Read Speed: Max
Don't report read errors: NO
Read SubChannel Data from Data Tracks: NO
Read SubChannel Data from Audio Tracks: NO
Abort on Read Error: NO
Fast Error Skip: YES
Intelligent Bad Sector Scanner: NO

Fast Skip Error Settings: 5 , Hardware (none worked too)

CloneCD Write settings used:
Write Speed: Max
Write Mode: RAW DAO
Simulate Writing: NO
BurnProof/JustLink: YES
Perform Laser Power Calibration: NO
Amplify Weak Sectors: NO
Don't Repair SubChannel Data: NO
Always Close Last Session: YES

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Fri Nov 30, 2001 6:11 pm

I'm trying Padus Disc Juggler to see if that's any good or if it'll work at all.

monkeyhead · Post by **monkeyhead** » Fri Nov 30, 2001 7:21 pm

Will this work?

Device Capabilities:
Note: This information is provided by the unit, it might be inaccurate. CloneCD does not use this information!
Manufacturer: PLEXTOR
Product: CD-R PX-W1610A
Revision: 1.03
Can read CD-R Discs: Yes
Can read CD-RW Discs: Yes
Can read DVD Discs: No
Can read MultiSession Discs: Yes
Can read Digital Audio Discs: Yes
Digital Audio Data is accurate: Yes
Can write CD-R Discs: Yes
Can write CD-RW Discs: Yes
Compatible with CloneCD RAW-DAO: Yes
Compatible with CloneCD RAW-DAO Write Simulation: No
Supports writing of CD+G RAW-DAO: Yes
Compatible with CloneCD RAW-SAO: No
Supports Burn Proof / Just Link: Yes

Device Capabilities:
Note: This information is provided by the unit, it might be inaccurate. CloneCD does not use this information!
Manufacturer: PLEXTOR
Product: CD-R PX-W1610A
Revision: 1.03
Can read CD-R Discs: Yes
Can read CD-RW Discs: Yes
Can read DVD Discs: No
Can read MultiSession Discs: Yes
Can read Digital Audio Discs: Yes
Digital Audio Data is accurate: Yes
Can write CD-R Discs: Yes
Can write CD-RW Discs: Yes
Compatible with CloneCD RAW-DAO: Yes
Compatible with CloneCD RAW-DAO Write Simulation: No
Supports writing of CD+G RAW-DAO: Yes
Compatible with CloneCD RAW-SAO: No
Supports Burn Proof / Just Link: Yes

Info on inserted Disc:
Number of sessions: 1
Size used on Disc: 747031 kBytes
Sectors: 325238
Time: 72:16:38 (Min:Sec:Fra)

Info on Session 1:
Size used in Session: 747031 kBytes
Number of Tracks: 1
Track 1: Data Mode 1, Size: 747031 kBytes

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Fri Nov 30, 2001 7:28 pm

Be sure to try the settings I have already posted earlier. A note on the reading of a CD: if the cd readers faster then 4 minutes (And it definately has protection on it) then the img your making doesn't contain the protection and will not work if you burn it. The average time for a safedisk 2 reading is anywhere from 35 minutes to a 1 and a 1/2 hours. It all depends on the reader.

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Sat Dec 01, 2001 3:18 am

Originally posted by terrancelam
cd of Diablo 2: LOD is getting scratched up like a momo because stupid sis once used the data side for a coaster!

I've done some checking, it's got securomV2 on it...some crazy shiznah boys..

You got an answer for this question yet? having problems still with this cd.

On a brigher note, I finally beat the Civilizations 3 protec.

Phantom-Vortex · Post by **Phantom-Vortex** » Sat Dec 01, 2001 2:12 pm

D2 lod uses SecuROM - DADC like ver 7or8 some pretty hefty protection, never tried to copy D2, but I promise it can be done

just mess with different media and speeds settings , also click load then select ProtCD.ccp and give it a shot, later I may try doing that title on my plexy let ya know if I made a perfect 1:1 copy.

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Sat Dec 01, 2001 2:15 pm

I don't know why, but For some strange reason I can get everything but D2 to work..which is irking me.

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Sat Dec 01, 2001 11:07 pm

did it work?

monty · Post by **monty** » Sun Dec 02, 2001 1:13 am

Go here to find the correct settings.

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Sun Dec 02, 2001 11:24 am

I think it's time I RMA the LG GCE-8160B for a Liteon 24X drive. Why? It's sooo fricken wierd, it does Safedisk/SafediskV2 disk but not SecuRom? And even wierder, it writes RAW+96byte, but it doesn't read it?...Ahh sigh, it has great over burn potential and seems to be one hell of a drive compared to the plexies, but I think the Liteon will be a better match up for my purposes.

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