Sys admins - who is rolling out Windows 7?

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:24 pm

Like prior new OSs...not til SP1.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:07 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Like prior new OSs...not til SP1.

I don't think waiting for SP1 will need to be the norm unlike the start of XP days and Win2k.... not in the case of Win7 as I've not heard of many issues if any to cause a SP1 delay.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:32 am

Sava700 wrote:I don't think waiting for SP1 will need to be the norm unlike the start of XP days and Win2k.... not in the case of Win7 as I've not heard of many issues if any to cause a SP1 delay.

I don't think the business software developers will change just due to one OS, it'll be the same. The SMB/Enterprise world will wait.

tHE_0ne · Post by **tHE_0ne** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:21 am

I am waiting untill this xmas to install it. Just like every OS its going to have some bugs in it

Rainbow · Post by **Rainbow** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:10 am

I have already started installing it on some various machines at work.

TonyT · Post by **TonyT** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:17 am

Win7 has far far less bugs than other MS operating systems' first launch. The majority of Win7 bugs have been solved during Vista. It's not that much different than Vista anyway, in essence, it's what Vista "should have been" to begin with.

However, bad practice to roll out a new OS in a network environment when it's first released. It destabilizes the workplace.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:15 am

I think I'll install it on my Xp machine cause its just that darn good.... I don't foresee any issues right now even with running the 7127 build for this long and testing it with anything I can and so far so good with the Punkbuster exception which was corrected by Evanbalance finally.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:02 am

Sava700 wrote:I think I'll install it on my Xp machine cause its just that darn good.

Oh it's definitely good, no question about that. I'm not saying it's not good. I love it, it's my main OS on my primary laptop. We have it on several rigs at the office. Matter of fact..Daves World installed it on an old Dell Optiplex GX280 he uses as his primary rig on his desk. It's an old Pentium 4 HT 2.8 with 1 gig of RAM. Yes...an original P4 Hyperthread CPU, not a dual core, not a core 2 duo..but an old Northwood. It runs smoother and snappier than XP Pro did on that rig. Yeah, just 1 gig of RAM too.

But when you talk about "sys admins"...you're talking about business/enterprise networks. When you talk about business/enterprise networks, you talk about line of business applications. This means running that application in an environment supported by that software. When you spend several hundred thousand dollars on some LOB app, and you pay thousands or tens of thousands of dollars per year on annual support, you run their software on a network that they support. You wait until they've patched their software and give their official statement to say "OK, we are now compliant with Windows 7".

Same thing with other hardware devices on networks, when a business has spend tens of thousands or more on a bunch of Canon iR series units around the office, and they use those machines heavily...you wait until they have software/drivers that support Windows 7. Etc etc.

Or some edge VPN appliance whos little Java based SSL VPN applet doesn't support Windows 7 yet...while the business is dependent on all of their remote users having to VPN in each day for production.

The IT guy who is in charge of 500 workstations 'n laptops...and willy nilly purchases and spends company time to deploy 50x more workstations and laptops with Windows 7 because he feels it's good...only to find out there is some "issue"...well, he's looking for another job soon.

It's not about keeping up with the joneses in the business IT world, it's usually about sitting back for a while and resting on proven standards, because you're depending on support in sooooo many different areas all working.

Then there is the training. Lets not forget, most of the business/enterprise world is still purchasing new PCs with XPp downgrades. Hardly any of them have taken on Vista. So the jump for them will be from XPp to Windows 7. So even though Windows 7 is sorta like Vista SE...the corporate environment doesn't know about Vista yet..so it's really a jump from XPp to Windows 7.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:03 am

I understand the willingness to wait but I don't think waiting for a Sp1 on Win7 will really matter and I'm sure people will figure this out quickly.

Rainbow · Post by **Rainbow** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:20 am

I only have it installed on a few. We have a lot of java based apps that have to be tested first. Some of our apps don't even work with java 6. I have to use an older version and turn off the updates. So we will see. Right now I only have it on 3 machines and it seems to be doing fine so far.

TonyT · Post by **TonyT** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:10 am

Sava700 wrote:I understand the willingness to wait but I don't think waiting for a Sp1 on Win7 will really matter and I'm sure people will figure this out quickly.

As was stated above, wait till SP1 because:
1. service packs include newer drivers for hardware that may noy have been supported by the original Op Sys release.
2. sp1 usually is released within 6 months to a year for an op sys, thus that's a "rule of thumb" timeframe for hardware & software vendors to release their updates.
Immediately migrating to a new op sys for a business is not a good idea for obvious reasons, mentioned above as well.

Faust · Post by **Faust** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:35 am

TonyT wrote:The majority of Win7 bugs have been solved during Vista.

frustratingly true, imo.

CableDude · Post by **CableDude** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:04 pm

I was working on a room of computers that I maintain (doing windows updates) and some dumb co-worker asked me if I was installing Windows 7.

Seriously.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:04 pm

CableDude wrote:I was working on a room of computers that I maintain (doing windows updates) and some dumb co-worker asked me if I was installing Windows 7.

Seriously.

why not? Even now I've not seen or heard of anything on the scope of issues XP or Vista had when launched....

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:20 pm

We will wait at my job. Still I am impressed with it, but we will take our time rolling it out.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:24 pm

Sava700 wrote:why not? Even now I've not seen or heard of anything on the scope of issues XP or Vista had when launched....

Because businesses don't do it that way.

Plus you are comparing XP and Vista which were all new when they came out to 7 which is a better version of vista really.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:42 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:
which is a better version of vista really.

All the more reason to not worry about it at this point... its pretty much a fully redux of Vista or Vista SUPER SP3.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:54 pm

YoSC hit the nail on the head. As good as 7 is it's crazy to implement fully across a network right away.

loop2kil · Post by **loop2kil** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:18 pm

TonyT wrote:Win7 has far far less bugs than other MS operating systems' first launch. The majority of Win7 bugs have been solved during Vista. It's not that much different than Vista anyway, in essence, it's what Vista "should have been" to begin with.....

basically, this is Vista SP3 but you will have to pay for it

CableDude · Post by **CableDude** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:32 pm

Sava700 wrote:why not? Even now I've not seen or heard of anything on the scope of issues XP or Vista had when launched....

The dumb****er thought I was installing it right then and there.

I need to learn more about it before anything gets deployed.

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:13 pm

we're targeting July 2010 to start rolling it out.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:57 pm

loop2kil wrote:basically, this is Vista SP3 but you will have to pay for it

I prefer to call is Vista Second Edition...similar to how Windows 98 was glitchy on its first release, but SE was pretty good.

Except Windows 7 is quite a bit more different than Vista, underlying code is changed much more than just a service pack change like the name Vista SP3 implies.

For people coming from XP who didn't really experience Vista in depth yet, Windows 7 is a big change and it gets lumped up with Vista. For people who dealt with Vista in depth, the differences in Windows 7 will stand out.

Shinobi · Post by **Shinobi** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:54 pm

Still using Windows XP pro... Windows 7 still needs a lot of testing in our environment before it gets implemented.

Even though we are upgrading from SMS 2003 to SCCM, probably going to wait a while before pushing Windows 7 images across the enterprise. (got to love those remote PXE installs)

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:44 pm

I would if I had an "IT budget" to buy it.

CableDude · Post by **CableDude** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:19 pm

Just placed my order for an upgrade CD... for home.

CableDude · Post by **CableDude** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:12 pm

Just got my upgrade DVD... for home.

nightowl · Post by **nightowl** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:53 pm

got it installed on my main desktop rig and my sony vaio. Biggest speed improvement was on mu sony vaio laptop. Runs so much smoother. So far I am very impressed with this OS!