When Alito Gets Confirmed......

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:22 am

Do you think that he will be the final swing vote that will overturn Roe v. Wade?

I think so................

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:23 am

What are we talking about?

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:26 am

Oh, LOL, Judge Alito! He's Bush's nomination to replace 'O Connor as Supreme Court Justice.

zooner · Post by **zooner** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:10 am

yeah.

let's see...

that means 20-30 years from now we'll see the increased violence that abortion had put on the decline come back.

I'll be 60, yeah.

Mactron · Post by **Mactron** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:38 am

Prey521 wrote:Do you think that he will be the final swing vote that will overturn Roe v. Wade?

That does seem to be the concern. If so. it will be a huge step backwards for Women.

Lefty · Post by **Lefty** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:45 am

My feeling on abortion is I am not a woman so I shouldn't be making calls on thier bodies. I would not want folks voting on what I should do with mine. That said I dont think it will change anytime soon.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:43 am

i dont think it will and even if it happens it will just go underground.

tao_jones · Post by **tao_jones** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:25 am

Lefty wrote:My feeling on abortion is I am not a woman so I shouldn't be making calls on thier bodies. I would not want folks voting on what I should do with mine. That said I dont think it will change anytime soon.

tao_jones · Post by **tao_jones** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:26 am

Augustus wrote:i dont think it will and even if it happens it will just go underground.

Exactley just because it wasnt legal before doesnt it mean it wasnt happening.

Bouncer · Post by **Bouncer** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:35 am

Prey521 wrote:Do you think that he will be the final swing vote that will overturn Roe v. Wade?

I think so................

[sarcasm] I hope so! And then we'll enjoy democratic dominance of the Congress and Presidency for at least the next 40 years or so! As the kids say... w00t!

GoGo..Infuriate-ALL-The-Female-Voters-Power!! [/sarcasm]

In other words, no. The republicans have no intention of actually overturning Roe V Wade. They just want to have the same rhetorical fight around the time of elections over and over so they can fire up their base who will get out their checkbooks. If they do overturn Roe v Wade, how many of the holler-roller base are going to cut them a check to "fight the fight" they've already won? Not many.

And it's not like they haven't had the chance. They have had the WH and the Congress for 6 years now. And they've been UNable to craft ANY restriction on abortion that passes Constitutional muster?

Yeah right.

It's NOT a coincidence the President signed into law a federal bill that had been ruled UNconstitutional when it was enacted as a state law. There was no provision for the health of the mother. This federal law was then immediately blocked by a federal court before it left the signing desk. They're not so stupid that they didn't know that this was going to happen. They planned for it by SPECIFICALLY leaving in the part that the SCOTUS found unconstitutional the first time. The ONLY way that decision makes sense is if they INTENDED for it to be suspended and never enforced. So either they are so stupid you wouldn't trust them to park your car, OR they are slicker than all the oil in Texas.

Consider this though: It let them claim to be doing something but allowed them to blame "Activist Judges!" (the latest bad guy for them to fingerpoint at) for doing EXACTLY what they knew they would do. Namely, not allow women to die. And at the end of the day, despite all the smoke and thunder and flashy effects... despite having complete control of the congress and the WH and a conservative leaning SCOTUS.. in spite of ALL of that... Roe v Wade is STILL the law of the land. That simply cannot be the case unless they intend for it to be the case.

Simply put, Roe v Wade is likely to remain the law so as long as the Republicans or Democrats are in power. For different reasons, yes. But it's not going anywhere in our lifetimes. In fact, if you think the republicans WILL EVER actiually do anything about it you've been completely had. The republican party is about pork barrel and politics as usual and staying in power. A 400Bn dollar deficit is all the proof you need of that.

Regards,
-Bouncer-

BroncoSport · Post by **BroncoSport** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:41 am

You know, although I find it morally wrong (abortion that is) I find it awfully strange that the biggest pro abortion crowd seems to be composed of men. Weird. As far as an overturn.... I dunno if it will happen. I would be infavor of some middle ground like no 3rd term abortions unless the mothers life is in danger and anyone seeking their second abortion can have it as long as they undergo having thier tubes tied, cause they are not worth the title of mother.

Too many women use abortion as birth control, imo. But again I am a man, so unless it was my girlfriend or wife where the life in her stomach was 1/2 from me..... my opinion really doesn't matter.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:07 am

Personally no I don't think he will change it although it's always possible.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:24 am

BroncoSport wrote:You know, although I find it morally wrong (abortion that is) I find it awfully strange that the biggest pro abortion crowd seems to be composed of men. Weird. As far as an overturn.... I dunno if it will happen. I would be infavor of some middle ground like no 3rd term abortions unless the mothers life is in danger and anyone seeking their second abortion can have it as long as they undergo having thier tubes tied, cause they are not worth the title of mother.

Too many women use abortion as birth control, imo. But again I am a man, so unless it was my girlfriend or wife where the life in her stomach was 1/2 from me..... my opinion really doesn't matter.

I wouldn't quite say pro-abortion ...rather than it's none of my ****ing business what a woman, or anybody else, does with their body.

Lefty · Post by **Lefty** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:28 am

Izzo wrote:I wouldn't quite say pro-abortion ...rather than it's none of my ****ing business what a woman, or anybody else, does with their body.

Different words but very similar to what I said.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:30 am

Lefty wrote:Different words but very similar to what I said.

Right, but no matter how many times you say it the Pro-lifers seem to take something else out of it.

Zilog B · Post by **Zilog B** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:30 am

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:32 am

Zilog B wrote:ibtl

Ye have little faith

Zilog B · Post by **Zilog B** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:34 am

Izzo wrote:Ye have little faith

The vocal crowd hasn't logged in yet

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:22 am

[quote="Zilog B"]The vocal crowd hasn't logged in yet ]

you mean Brent? LOL

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:29 am

I do agree with Bouncer that I don't think the powerbase of the neo cons, really want it changed.

I do however disagee that it will come up before the Supreme Court. It's only a matter of time.

I wonder about Alito, through. After several days of listening to the hearings on NPR, I'm coming away with the feeling that he's not as right wing as the neo con powerbase thinks.

Roberts is one thing. I think he'd jump at the chance for a reversal of Roe vs Wade.. as well as Scalia and his monkey...

Then again, I could be very wrong about Alito...

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:12 am

ITB--

then its a non-issue!

CiscoKid · Post by **CiscoKid** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:44 pm

Roe V. Wade will NOT go away anytime soon. It's almost like takeing away a womans right to vote, think THAT would ever fly?

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:52 pm

Hello Thread, How are you

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:53 pm

anyone ever seen an abortion performed? Form an opinion on them after you have seen one done.....

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:14 pm

The only reason men support a "woman's right to choose" is so in case they get a chick pregnant, they can point to the fact that they were vocally pro-choice from the beginning and would never do anything to prevent the woman from getting an abortion...all while dabbing their own, guiltless brow. Otherwise, it makes no sense for a man to give a ****.

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:29 pm

yeah because giving a **** about issues that don't nescessarily affect me directly is all just bull**** and a waste of time right? **** the ******s and civil liberties, am i white? me me me

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:30 pm

i'm white

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:33 pm

me too, so I guess that means that we shouldn't be concerned with black americans rights, or mexican americans rights, or them damn oriental americans rights either.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:34 pm

screw them all, white power

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:35 pm

Brent wrote:screw them all, white power

FTW!

Lefty · Post by **Lefty** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:42 pm

Brent wrote:i'm white

I'm not

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:43 pm

Latino power! You with me Lefty?

REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:45 pm

Prey521 wrote:Latino power! You with me Lefty?

REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's taking a siesta

Lefty · Post by **Lefty** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:46 pm

Prey521 wrote:Latino power! You with me Lefty?

REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Set my people free.

Zilog B · Post by **Zilog B** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:23 pm

I just hid my hubcaps and my sister.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:24 pm

Zilog B wrote:I just hid my hubcaps and my sister.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:25 pm

Zilog B wrote:I just hid my hubcaps and my sister.

Damn, hubcaps AND sister? What happened, bad experience with a Mexican?

Lefty · Post by **Lefty** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:25 pm

Zilog B wrote:I just hid my hubcaps and my sister.

don makeme cut shu focker

Zilog B · Post by **Zilog B** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:29 pm

Prey521 wrote:Damn, hubcaps AND sister? What happened, bad experience with a Mexican?

I've been to Juarez Mexico hundreds of times. I know what goes down mang!

zooner · Post by **zooner** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:13 pm

Bouncer wrote:[sarcasm] I hope so! And then we'll enjoy democratic dominance of the Congress and Presidency for at least the next 40 years or so! As the kids say... w00t!

GoGo..Infuriate-ALL-The-Female-Voters-Power!! [/sarcasm]

In other words, no. The republicans have no intention of actually overturning Roe V Wade. They just want to have the same rhetorical fight around the time of elections over and over so they can fire up their base who will get out their checkbooks. If they do overturn Roe v Wade, how many of the holler-roller base are going to cut them a check to "fight the fight" they've already won? Not many.

And it's not like they haven't had the chance. They have had the WH and the Congress for 6 years now. And they've been UNable to craft ANY restriction on abortion that passes Constitutional muster?

Yeah right.

It's NOT a coincidence the President signed into law a federal bill that had been ruled UNconstitutional when it was enacted as a state law. There was no provision for the health of the mother. This federal law was then immediately blocked by a federal court before it left the signing desk. They're not so stupid that they didn't know that this was going to happen. They planned for it by SPECIFICALLY leaving in the part that the SCOTUS found unconstitutional the first time. The ONLY way that decision makes sense is if they INTENDED for it to be suspended and never enforced. So either they are so stupid you wouldn't trust them to park your car, OR they are slicker than all the oil in Texas.

Consider this though: It let them claim to be doing something but allowed them to blame "Activist Judges!" (the latest bad guy for them to fingerpoint at) for doing EXACTLY what they knew they would do. Namely, not allow women to die. And at the end of the day, despite all the smoke and thunder and flashy effects... despite having complete control of the congress and the WH and a conservative leaning SCOTUS.. in spite of ALL of that... Roe v Wade is STILL the law of the land. That simply cannot be the case unless they intend for it to be the case.

Simply put, Roe v Wade is likely to remain the law so as long as the Republicans or Democrats are in power. For different reasons, yes. But it's not going anywhere in our lifetimes. In fact, if you think the republicans WILL EVER actiually do anything about it you've been completely had. The republican party is about pork barrel and politics as usual and staying in power. A 400Bn dollar deficit is all the proof you need of that.

Regards,
-Bouncer-

you need to start a blog.