Stolen Honor

saved · Post by **saved** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:18 pm

Here is the free video of Stolen Honor
--about 40 minutes long.
Shirley Spellerberg

Hear for yourself the testimony of the veterans who suffered
greatly because of the treasonous statements made by John
Kerry and other American traitors.

To watch the free video, click here:
http://www.buttondepress.com/BostonMani ... nHonor.wmv

Watch it and make your own decision if John Kerry is the right man
to lead this nation.

PASS THE LINK AROUND!!! Everyone should see this.

You can download Windows Media Player for free. (You'll need
speakers to hear the audio.)
To download Windows Media Player, click here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/window ... fault.aspx

golfnintendoboy · Post by **golfnintendoboy** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:21 pm

40 minutes?! who's got that kind of time?!

The_Lurker · Post by **The_Lurker** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:27 pm

golfnintendoboy wrote:40 minutes?! who's got that kind of time?!

why I do!

looky, my e-penis has been lobbed off!

no more e-masturbation for me, so plenty of time!

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:03 pm

The_Lurker wrote:why I do!

looky, my e-penis has been lobbed off!

no more e-masturbation for me, so plenty of time!

Issues?

Saved, the film has ties to the Swift Boat Captians against Kerry thing. All of their allagations have proved false....

What Kerry did after the war was what he felt was right. You can more than likely find MORE vets that agreed with him than you can find that disageed with him. My own opinion is.....If nobody demonstrated against the war, it would have lasted a LOT longer, resulting in even more deaths. No?

The_Lurker · Post by **The_Lurker** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:06 pm

downhill wrote:Issues?

several! WOOT!

Jon · Post by **Jon** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:19 pm

downhill wrote:Issues?

Saved, the film has ties to the Swift Boat Captians against Kerry thing.

on the surface it would appear this way but do you have a factual link?

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:39 pm

The_Lurker wrote:several! WOOT!

We noticed.

DH, if there were no protests, then maybe the military could have exercised it's full capability. We didn't exercise our full capabilities. We flew, but we didn't fight, we fought, but we didn't sail. There was no coordination between air, ground, and naval campaigns. While each separate campaign was successful...the overall objective to dominate the NVA was not....mainly becasue LBJ was plagued with differing objectives....de-escalate the war...but win it.

Once you commit to war...you win at all and any cost. So it really could have gone either way DH imho.....the terrible thing is, 58,000 americans died while our country debated the objective.

The same thing is happening in Iraq....same exact thing.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:47 pm

Jon...I've seen several..I'll see if I can find one for you. Otherwise...google?

UOD...Not quite the same. The VietNam war went on for a couple of years before there was much US resistance to it.

I'd not blame the anti war demonstrators for failed war policy. It wasn't like there was an effort to take over N Viet Nam...A good defense is a good offense..That wasn't the case there.

Other than that, I'm not going to get into a Viet Nam thing here. I was addressing the film.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:55 pm

downhill wrote: UOD...Not quite the same. The VietNam war went on for a couple of years before there was much US resistance to it.

I understand. But the American/protest resistance grew as our forces multiplied. so of course as the war started, the level of resistance to it was minimum.

As for the Swiftvets link....

lol

http://www2.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/index.php

Oh yeah...I'd call that a big BLARING link....

saved · Post by **saved** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 7:16 pm

downhill wrote:Issues?

Saved, the film has ties to the Swift Boat Captians against Kerry thing. All of their allagations have proved false....

What Kerry did after the war was what he felt was right. You can more than likely find MORE vets that agreed with him than you can find that disageed with him. My own opinion is.....If nobody demonstrated against the war, it would have lasted a LOT longer, resulting in even more deaths. No?

First if there was more vets that agreed with him then did not they would be speaking out and they are not. Second the ones that spoke know first hand. I doubt that you have that knowledge, but if you are old enough to remember that time in history you would know that there were those from within who done all they could to bring down this nation and would stop at nothing, even the condemning of our service men. I remember the war,even though I ever had to go, and remember the protests. It is one thing to speak against the war and another to call our service men criminals which he did. Mr. Kerry is a traitor and no traitor is fit for the office of the president.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 7:42 pm

saved wrote:First if there was more vets that agreed with him then did not they would be speaking out and they are not.

They are speaking out. There were quite a few of them on stage with him during the Dem convention, including a Man of God and the man who's life he saved when he got his bronze meddle and third purple heart...from shrapnel he carried for many years...Lots of service men who served with him HAVE been speaking out.

Second the ones that spoke know first hand. I doubt that you have that knowledge, but if you are old enough to remember that time in history you would know that there were those from within who done all they could to bring down this nation and would stop at nothing, even the condemning of our service men.

Sure, whatever you say there...Look, follow the money...I'm not saying that some vets don't hate him, after all..that was one bitter time in our countries history..but bring down this nation? No more so than now or a hundred years ago....There have always been groups who would do so...From the British, to the Civil war to whatever..you'll find groups in every nation...

Nixon probably had more to do with a divided nation than Kerry every would. Even now...

Doubt all you want.......for some reason I'm not surprised you would.

Now let's address comdemming of our service men? Isn't that what your doing to one who's won a Silver Star, a Bronze Star and 3 purple hearts? Yes or no...

I remember the war,even though I ever had to go, and remember the protests. It is one thing to speak against the war and another to call our service men criminals which he did. Mr. Kerry is a traitor and no traitor is fit for the office of the president.

If your talking about Kerry's speech before congress....look it up and SHOW me where he called our service men criminals.....I DO know what your talking about and your twisting things here..

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:22 pm

saved wrote: Mr. Kerry is a traitor and no traitor is fit for the office of the president.

Out of curiousity saved have you served? If so then my hat's off to you sir. If not my view is that Kerry earned the right to speak out against a way he felt was wrong. Did he make some mistakes? Sure, I dont think he would deny that, but calling him a traitor is false and inaccurate IMO.

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:47 pm

saved wrote: Mr. Kerry is a traitor and no traitor is fit for the office of the president.

Traitor.... like someone in league with the bin-Laden family? Traitor... Like the noble president of the Iran-Contra debacle.

Splitting hairs over what qualifies as treason acts is silly, to the point of ad hominem. This is all election mud slinging, of which both sides are guilty. I am fairly certain that the SG members have already decided on their candidate.

david

lonewolfz28 · Post by **lonewolfz28** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:48 pm

Funny story.

We got a call in the flightchief's office on tues. One of our new airmen that aren't allowed to go out and work the jets was answering the phones. She just got here from tech school a couple weeks ago and has been doing the normal office chores. I'm there early doing my usual shift change manning assignments list. I'm only half paying attention as she answers the phone so I don't have to. It's all cool for a couple seconds and then I hear her voice increase in volume.

I'm thinking she's gotten a personal call and is arguing with a boyfriend or something.

I turn around and she's telling someone on the other end that if they really want the ***D*** sign down they need to get someone out there to take it down themselves. I'm like WTF!?! As she slams the receiver down I ask her as much.

Seems it was a lady from the base housing office asking (quite nicely I'm later to understand) that a couple of NCO's from our flight take down some political signs in their front yards in base housing prior to some VIP visits (a couple of NC Congressmen).

After the smoke clears (following a call back from the housing lady which I took) I counsel the airman on proper phone etiquette and ask what the sign said that made it unappropriate. Seems they were only the little "Bush/Cheney '04" signs you see all over this part of NC.

I guess the airman asked the housing lady if it would be ok if it was signs for that traitorous b****** Kerry if it'd be OK. Then the lady asked if she was speaking to SSgt **** and the airman answered, "no it's just someone that can't stand that two faced SOB".

From the mouths of babes, I guess even some of the new airman have a distaste for Kerry.

I had a hard time keeping a straight face while counseling her. I had to stick to the "proper etiquette" theme or I would've burst out laughing.