what a suprise - "Michael Moore's anti-Bush documentary gets Cannes glory"

The_Lurker · Post by **The_Lurker** » Sun May 23, 2004 7:35 pm

CommanderCody wrote: as we all now know there was no WMD's found.

doesn't mean they didn't exist and still do exist somewhere else now

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Sun May 23, 2004 7:39 pm

[quote="The_Lurker"]doesn't mean they didn't exist and still do exist somewhere else now ]

right,I'm sorry,I forgot how sofisticated S Hussein was when he kept his millions of cash in abandonded shacks and his secret hiding headquarters was a hole in the ground guarded by missle weilding donkey carts.

RoscoPColtrane · Post by **RoscoPColtrane** » Sun May 23, 2004 7:42 pm

some would argue that hussein himself was the weapon of mass destruction...he killed how many people again? Btw didn't they just find serin gas in the last couple of weeks?

The_Lurker · Post by **The_Lurker** » Sun May 23, 2004 7:50 pm

CommanderCody wrote:right,I'm sorry,I forgot how sofisticated S Hussein was when he kept his millions of cash in abandonded shacks and his secret hiding headquarters was a hole in the ground guarded by missle weilding donkey carts.

as the saying goes......."ignorance is bliss"

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Sun May 23, 2004 7:57 pm

The_Lurker wrote:as the saying goes......."ignorance is bliss"

ALRIGHT !!!!!! THATS IT!

I don't want to burn my meat,and I have to get another beer!
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hear is to all of you,I hope you are having as good a sunday as I am!

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Sun May 23, 2004 8:13 pm

stevebakh wrote:Correct me if I am incorrect, but did not Bush use images of 9/11 in his re-election campaign?

of course he did and any president who was president at the time of 9/11 i I would expect the same. 9/11 shaped the next 3 years of his administration and the decisions he made.

There is a huge difference.

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Sun May 23, 2004 8:39 pm

so making a documentary about the events of 9/11 is unpatriotic?
Does that mean it was wrong of the media to play those images non-stop for months after the event?

So if you disagree with and disapprove of the actions being taken by the administration that represents you, it is wrong to voice that opinion? Or is it okay as long as you're not a film-maker or writer?

The_Lurker · Post by **The_Lurker** » Sun May 23, 2004 8:48 pm

Blisster wrote:so making a documentary about the events of 9/11......

oh boy, this is Michael Moore. yes i know they called bowling for columbine a documentary. IMO that was laughable and the winning of the Oscar for best documentary was hilarious. and for me just showed the level of left leaning Hollywood and the movie industry truly is.

i doubt this is a documentory.......more than likely this is a Michael Moore/ Hollywood elitist spin movie....as I'm certain his others are as well(i know BfC was).

as far as his patriotism goes, doesn't matter to me. he doesn't matter to me. and sure he has the right just as anyone to make a movie and distribute it however he can, doesn't mean distributors or fanciers have to finance or distribute it, they have their rights too!.

the only reason i even pay attention to this POS is that the media elite sees fit to promote him..................alll hand in hand they are.

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Sun May 23, 2004 9:02 pm

you really should see Roger and Me or The Big One before judging him.

RoscoPColtrane · Post by **RoscoPColtrane** » Sun May 23, 2004 9:21 pm

Truthfully i can't get past the fact that he is over there winning "french" awards by badmouthing my commander in cheif during a time of war....call me old fashioned but THAT seems unpatriotic to me!

As far as President Bush using 911 footage as part of his campaign, i believe he has the right, he has done somethings wrong, but what other president came into this kinda thing? He was president for under a year when we got attacked...personally i think he handled it pretty darn good...

FunK · Post by **FunK** » Sun May 23, 2004 9:46 pm

I was ashamed and embarrased when they showed that POS on Japanese TV and my wife's family saw part of it. To think that this is the trash we export and people in other countries are subject to.

lonewolfz28 · Post by **lonewolfz28** » Sun May 23, 2004 9:53 pm

Blisster wrote:you really should see Roger and Me or The Big One before judging him.

Couldn't sit through Roger and Me and never heard of The Big One. I'll make my discisions based on the direction that he is going in NOW. I don't care for that direction, I don't care for his attitude and I don't care for his shenanigans in front of the cameras.

The fact that the media like CNN is making a darling out of him to encourage him sickens me. Meanwhile, I get my affairs in order and packing some of my gear to go back to the middle east in Sept. If I watch CNN and listen to Hollywood, I get the impression that I'm walking into a snake pit where everyone hates me. But then I see the pictures from friends in the theater, in emails and around the net that don't get the publicity and I remember, the media and Hollywood are just wh0res looking to keep the money flowing in by showing their azz.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Sun May 23, 2004 9:58 pm

Not having seen it....I'm curious as to why it's even being judged.....Could it be we are already being preprogrammed as to how we should think of it? After all.....Rove is the mastermind behind the unpatriotic thing. Seems laughable now when those who were on the receiving end of that stick, turned out to be right.

The war on terrorism has taken a backseat to the administrations goals of war in Iraq. One they seemed to have had from the first days of the President/Co-President, etc ect....

I'm sure, knowing the material of Moore, that some of it is pure bunk........but if your going so far as to label him unpatriotic on the assumption he's lying for a political end...then you'd also have to lump Coulter, Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Scarborough, Savage, and a bucket full of pundits in the same barrel, eh?

As to the CNN jab....I see them doing plain reporting and not really making him out to be a hero, even though I'd agree that in some fashion he's probably getting too much press for this on any channel. ...Fox on the other hand is making him out to be a villan....while celebrating those already listed above.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Sun May 23, 2004 10:08 pm

downhill wrote: The war on terrorism has taken a backseat to the administrations goals of war in Iraq. One they seemed to have had from the first days of the President/Co-President, etc ect....

you know i find this statement ironic...i mean do you have any secret intelligence contacts that can proove to you that war on terrorism is on the backseat?

Bush has done more for the war on terrorism then any President in the history of the united states...lot more then slick willy ever has.

lonewolfz28 · Post by **lonewolfz28** » Sun May 23, 2004 10:12 pm

downhill wrote:Not having seen it....I'm curious as to why it's even being judged.....Could it be we are already being preprogrammed as to how we should think of it? After all.....Rove is the mastermind behind the unpatriotic thing. Seems laughable now when those who were on the receiving end of that stick, turned out to be right.

The war on terrorism has taken a backseat to the administrations goals of war in Iraq. One they seemed to have had from the first days of the President/Co-President, etc ect....

I'm sure, knowing the material of Moore, that some of it is pure bunk........but if your going so far as to label him unpatriotic on the assumption he's lying for a political end...then you'd also have to lump Coulter, Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Scarborough, Savage, and a bucket full of pundits in the same barrel, eh?

As to the CNN jab....I see them doing plain reporting and not really making him out to be a hero, even though I'd agree that in some fashion he's probably getting too much press for this on any channel. ...Fox on the other hand is making him out to be a villan....while celebrating those already listed above.

It's all about the publicity, baby!

BTW- I don't watch Fox much. I stick to pretty much HLN to get the condensed versions and if something catches my eye, then I do more looking around to get both sides. Even though, HLN gets in their fair share of innuendo and snide comments.

The main CNN, FOX and NBC news channels are nearly unwatchable to me. I really have to want to know about something to sit through all of their crap.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Sun May 23, 2004 10:12 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:you know i find this statement ironic...i mean do you have any secret intelligence contacts that can proove to you that war on terrorism is on the backseat?

Bush has done more for the war on terrorism then any President in the history of the united states...lot more then slick willy ever has.

I do a heck of a lot of reading.......A suggestion...What your lookiing for isn't going to be on the front page of theNY Post...So maybe doing some research is in order....At least as long as it looks like a close race. I'd be willing to bet if the polls start showing a landslide..the Post will change it's tune....After all, like your always implying...it's about money...

Ironic isn't it.

Got a bit of news for you though...there people in the Pentagon who not only have that view point...they suggested this would happen if we didn't take care of Al Qeada first....So it's not just my assumption, my friend..

You know, I'll bet they don't read the NY Post either.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Sun May 23, 2004 10:14 pm

[quote="downhill"]I do a heck of a lot of reading.......A suggestion...What your lookiing for isn't going to be on the front page of the Post...So maybe doing some research is in order....

Ironic isn't it.

Got a bit of news for you though...there people in the Pentagon who not only have that view point...they suggested this would happen if we didn't take care of Al Qeada first....So it's not just my assumption, my friend.. ]

of coures you are talking about Clarke right..the one who is making millions now with his book..or hoping to make millions...

and you also know i dont read just the Post...

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Sun May 23, 2004 10:20 pm

Blisster wrote:so making a documentary about the events of 9/11 is unpatriotic?
Does that mean it was wrong of the media to play those images non-stop for months after the event?

If this was a true documentary..no it aint wrong

but true documentaries dont make millions of dollars..most times they are on the Discover channel or a true authentic channel.

As far as the media...i agree it was wrong..and they evenutally stopped

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Sun May 23, 2004 10:24 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:of coures you are talking about Clarke right..the one who is making millions now with his book..or hoping to make millions...

and you also know i dont read just the Post...

Ok...the Washington Times doesn't count either..

Clarke, Woodward, Krugman, Conason, O"Neill, Dean .......Yep, there in it for the buck...Also, they have plenty of backing for "most" of their accusations...
Before you cry foul...I've also read O'Reilly, Hannity..(lol) Coulter, and maybe 10 or so books put out by right wing pundits....

Also, countless news articles...of which I've posted TONS of links to...that of course, you've never bothered to check out..

Bowing out as I'm just not going to let this turn into another GH and dh thread jack.

You certianly don't have to agree with me.....but try and actually disprove me other than a quick quote with some off the wall comment, please.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Sun May 23, 2004 10:28 pm

[quote="downhill"]Ok...the Washington Times doesn't count either..

Clarke, Woodward, Krugman, Conason, O"Neill, Dean .......Yep, there in it for the buck...Also, they have plenty of backing for "most" of their accusations...
Before you cry foul...I've also read O'Reilly, Hannity..(lol) Coulter, and maybe 10 or so books put out by right wing pundits....

Also, countless news articles...of which I've posted TONS of links to...that of course, you've never bothered to check out..

Bowing out as I'm just not going to let this turn into another GH and dh thread jack.

You certianly don't have to agree with me.....but try and actually disprove me other than a quick quote with some off the wall comment, please. ]

you know you read too many conspiracy authors...=)

I did disprove you aleady countless times..you just dont read my links that I post =)

Led_Zealot · Post by **Led_Zealot** » Sun May 23, 2004 10:38 pm

I think it's interesting how passionate all these experts/insiders become once they begin selling their wares to the public...patroitic and unpatroitic alike.

I don't know alot about MM, but I'm guessing he's never served his country so it's pretty hard for me to place much value on his opnions on the subject.

LZ

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Sun May 23, 2004 10:44 pm

Led_Zealot wrote:I think it's interesting how passionate all these experts/insiders become once they begin selling their wares to the public...patroitic and unpatroitic alike.

I don't know alot about MM, but I'm guessing he's never served his country so it's pretty hard for me to place much value on his opnions on the subject.

LZ

I also bet he did not lose anyone close to him on 9/11

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Sun May 23, 2004 11:44 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:I also bet he did not lose anyone close to him on 9/11

that's a dumb thing to say dude. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't but he happens to be a resident of Manhattan....I'm sure it affected him as much as it affected anyone in NY.

I'm outta this thread.

RoscoPColtrane · Post by **RoscoPColtrane** » Sun May 23, 2004 11:56 pm

Led_Zealot wrote: I don't know alot about MM, but I'm guessing he's never served his country so it's pretty hard for me to place much value on his opnions on the subject.

LZ

Bouncer · Post by **Bouncer** » Mon May 24, 2004 12:21 am

Political criticism is not unpatriotic. It is PRECISELY what so many of our nations men and women have died to defend.

I do not agree with his movie, it's conclusions or it's methods. But he has the right to say it. That's what we have a military for. To guarantee he has a right to say it.

The way you answer his criticisms is not by attacking him as a person or trying to remove that right so many have died for. To take either tack is to fail in your efforts and is, more importantly, to cast aside the ultimate sacrifice so many Americans have made for you.

Instead, the way you answer his criticisms is by refuting him with evidence of your own. That's the American way.

Regards,
-Bouncer-

jayyy · Post by **jayyy** » Mon May 24, 2004 12:27 am

From the news article:

Moore said Tarantino whispered to him on stage, telling him: "We want you to know that the politics of your film had nothing to do with this award, we are not here to give a political award, on this jury we have different politics and some of us have no politics -- you were given this award because you made a great film."

Its supposed to actually be really good...most of the critics say its by far his best movie, even if they don't agree with the position.

jayyy · Post by **jayyy** » Mon May 24, 2004 12:55 am

JBKM wrote:We are at war, people are dieing....

And this piece of crap talks trash on our troops, on our leaders, on our president....

Damn right there's a war on and people are dieing- IT'S BUSH'S WAR!!!

So Bush lies to start a war with people that had nothing to do with 9/11, and lies about WMD that they didn't even use in the invasion of their own country, and that are no-where to be found now that the wars's over. And when someone criticizes Bush for doing that....

They're accused of talking trash about the president in a time of war?!?!

Thats some killer logic. So I guess if Kerry wins, and he lies to start a pointless, endless war, he'll be untouchable to you, too.

No?

CiscoKid · Post by **CiscoKid** » Mon May 24, 2004 2:11 am

jayyy wrote:Damn right there's a war on and people are dieing- IT'S BUSH'S WAR!!!

So Bush lies to start a war with people that had nothing to do with 9/11, and lies about WMD that they didn't even use in the invasion of their own country, and that are no-where to be found now that the wars's over. And when someone criticizes Bush for doing that....

They're accused of talking trash about the president in a time of war?!?!

Thats some killer logic. So I guess if Kerry wins, and he lies to start a pointless, endless war, he'll be untouchable to you, too.

No?

well now with the arrest of the Iraqi front runner, they're saying the Syrians I think it was had agents falsify documents that would make the US oust Saddam...

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Mon May 24, 2004 5:33 am

jayyy wrote:Damn right there's a war on and people are dieing- IT'S BUSH'S WAR!!!

So Bush lies to start a war with people that had nothing to do with 9/11, and lies about WMD that they didn't even use in the invasion of their own country, and that are no-where to be found now that the wars's over. And when someone criticizes Bush for doing that....

They're accused of talking trash about the president in a time of war?!?!

Thats some killer logic. So I guess if Kerry wins, and he lies to start a pointless, endless war, he'll be untouchable to you, too.

No?

people keep saying it Bush war..hmm the congress gave full approval

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Mon May 24, 2004 5:33 am

Blisster wrote:that's a dumb thing to say dude. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't but he happens to be a resident of Manhattan....I'm sure it affected him as much as it affected anyone in NY.

I'm outta this thread.

i seriously doubt it..he seems to be more angry at bush then the terrorists.

RoscoPColtrane · Post by **RoscoPColtrane** » Mon May 24, 2004 9:47 am

jayyy wrote: Thats some killer logic. So I guess if Kerry wins, and he lies to start a pointless, endless war, he'll be untouchable to you, too.

No?

If Kerry wins then i will respect his position and you will not see me talking trash on him in public or on forums.....its called RESPECT...

As for this being President Bush's war, thats insane...im sure he woke up one morning and said lets blow the shiat outta some people....

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon May 24, 2004 9:53 am

Michael Moore does a pretty good job at making someone think. Unfortunately, he has a bit of a proven history of distorting the facts, but he is a pretty good filmmaker nonetheless. That said, if he suggests its totally President Bush's war then he will lose a little bit of credibitility with me.

stevebakh · Post by **stevebakh** » Mon May 24, 2004 1:32 pm

JBKM wrote:If Kerry wins then i will respect his position and you will not see me talking trash on him in public or on forums.....its called RESPECT...

You're saying that you will respect any leaders' position and stand by that stance regardless of the decisions they make (even if you happen to disagree with them), simply because they had been voted into power?

Do you actually have any opinions of your own or do you just go along with the majority around you?

Sorry.

RoscoPColtrane · Post by **RoscoPColtrane** » Mon May 24, 2004 5:53 pm

What are you sorry about? The fact that you are rude or that you read things and then come up with stupidity that you want to hear?

I said i would respect any persons ELECTED possition as "the president of the united states", im simply saying that it doen'st make since to me for people to be dragging down our leaders during a time like this. If you have negative opionions of our president and you are in a possition that many people are going to hear, Both americans, and our enemies then perhaps maybe this MM character should have enough common sense to shut his fat mouth. All he does is fuel the negative opinion of our President, who EVEN if you dont' like it, represents our country......

this POS is dragging the USA threw the dirt to make his wallet fatter, also fueling the hatred in the hearts or our enemies...which makes them want to fight more....which is going to get more of our soldiers killed....yet somehow that is what he is belittling President Bush for.... GO FIGURE!!

jayyy · Post by **jayyy** » Mon May 24, 2004 10:38 pm

JBKM wrote:As for this being President Bush's war, thats insane...im sure he woke up one morning and said lets blow the shiat outta some people....

Rumsfeld did. He told anyone that would listen he wanted Iraq invaded since 91. We know for a fact they were planning invasion before 9/11 happened.

They claimed that they already knew where the WMD was, and congress and everyone else trusted them, thinking they just weren't saying exactly where because they didn't want to compromise security.

Now we know it was all just a load of smoke. But some people just keep their faith in them regardless of what happens.

jayyy · Post by **jayyy** » Mon May 24, 2004 10:45 pm

CiscoKid wrote:well now with the arrest of the Iraqi front runner, they're saying the Syrians I think it was had agents falsify documents that would make the US oust Saddam...

I hadn't heard about that yet. Can you post a news link about it?

The_Lurker · Post by **The_Lurker** » Mon May 24, 2004 10:52 pm

Michael Moore is nothing more than a proven serious liar.

to take anything he says or makes seriously is laughable.

quoted from elsewhere....

"Now we know it was all just a load of smoke. But some people just keep their faith in [him]them regardless of what happens."

boy if that doesn't apply to Moore and his followers!

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/P ... 7ujhuf.asp

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Mon May 24, 2004 11:01 pm

jayyy wrote:Rumsfeld did. He told anyone that would listen he wanted Iraq invaded since 91. We know for a fact they were planning invasion before 9/11 happened.

They claimed that they already knew where the WMD was, and congress and everyone else trusted them, thinking they just weren't saying exactly where because they didn't want to compromise security.

Now we know it was all just a load of smoke. But some people just keep their faith in them regardless of what happens.

you mean intelligence told them...and we still dont know if they are wrong..people are just asuming becuase nothing has been found...but you know something, this is not like we are invading a country with a dictator that has no history whatsoever of using WMD or doing tons of evil things. I can see if we decided to invade Canada all of a sudden one day and people are saying WTF??? Even if intelligence was wrong abot Iraq...big deal some good will still come out of it.

You know that like taking a murderer in this country who lets say committed 15 murderers, cops finally arrest him on 16th but proves that one he truly as innocent, but all other 15 murderers he committed and and is still in jail..so does it really matter? We got him that all that counts

jayyy · Post by **jayyy** » Mon May 24, 2004 11:02 pm

The_Lurker wrote:Michael Moore is nothing more than a proven serious liar.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/P ... 7ujhuf.asp

Thats a serious allegation. But proven? His denial isn't any more provable than the allegation.

Found an interesting article on the same website- according to the weekly standard, american conservatives may be the only people in the world today that disagree with micheal moore's view. To their regret, he even enjoys populartity with british conservatives- http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/P ... 5kixrf.asp

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Tue May 25, 2004 1:43 am

It is pleasing to hear our American patriots suggesting that Mr. Moore should be physically harmed for his dissident views.

sim shalom,
david