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Originally posted by downhill
torston...about apologies....I'd done it quite a few times here. Let me ask you something. You accuse a race of being inferior....... All right that's it. I've absolutely had it. No matter what I explicitly state, You continue to LIE about what I've said. Until I get ...

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Originally posted by downhill
torsten, your twisting words....You know full well my stand on this as I put it in black and white at the beginning of this thread. For one...I don't believe for a second that people of Middle Eastern decent are inferior...
Nor do I.
You have a lot of nerve saying ...

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Originally posted by SeedOfChaos
I'm not even sure you could call the conflict in Israel a war. Police action doesn't really seem to apply either. I don't know, someone with English as a native language should suggest a more appropriate term.
At first, you did say you saw it as war, but I see ...

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Originally posted by downhill
Yep..agrees with UOD...and one other thing your forgetting and a main reason for the bloodshed....there isn't a Palestinian state...only a group of people who call themselves Palestinians. So I'm curious just how anyone without a homeland can actually hold a real ...

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Originally posted by UOD
Great solution and I agree 100% but it will never work because the Palestinian people aren't empowered to do so. You keep forgetting that there is a struggle between the PLO and Hamas. So there are polarized factions within the Palestinian culture. The same can be said ...

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Deliberately twisting someone's words to the point that they're unrecognizable so that you can claim they hold positions they don't is outrageous and should be labeled as such. For jayyy this seems to have changed from a debate about facts and ideas to an attempt to smear the character of the ...

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Originally posted by UOD
Torsten,
All I can add to this is that the situation in the region is now out of control. There is no end in sight. The Palestinians can't give up because they have nothing left to give other than an olive branch. Actually the thing they could give is a renunciation of ...

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Originally posted by UOD
Torsten,

The problem is that American military actions (recent) don't take years to accomplish. Israel has been going at it for how long? That is why I view their actions as inhumane. While they may get their target, they incur civilian casulties....they know this fact ...

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Originally posted by SeedOfChaos
I see it as a war, although a very unbalanced one. High tech on one side, ultra-low tech on the other. Do the Israelis owe it to Palestinians to subject their soldiers to greater danger in order to reduce "collateral damage"? IMO as long as the dangers are ...

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Just another example of how contemptible these people are.

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Originally posted by SeedOfChaos
I am acknowledging a distinction between blowing up a bus and going after the masterminds. However, leveling city blocks with people still in the houses is not much different. These kind of actions was what I was talking about.

I never meant that you shouldn't ...

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Originally posted by jayyy
Bull****. Israel is a hunk of rock that exists only through the military power of the united states. They forced their way onto the land, slaughtered thousands to clear the way, and routinely slaughter palestinian women and children in the gaza strip. I've met israeli ...

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Originally posted by UOD
When the Israeli government plans a "response to terrorism", they know for a fact that the operation will incur civilian casulties. As is the case with most military actions. Although we have the capacity to make war cleaner than it used to be, we're still not at the ...

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Arrrrgh !!!
I can certainly see the reasons behind the point Prey521 made earlier. When it's 3 against 1, it's just too much work for the 1. I like to respond thorougly to anyone who addresses me, but my time is limited. Unfortunately some of the contentions around here may have to go unchallenged ...

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Originally posted by SeedOfChaos
(the following is aimed more towards Torsten) I am not defending terror, merely stating that both sides do it. And the "reaction" argument is REALLY a moot point, as both sides do it on a constant basis and both claim the "reaction" bit. It is, because it's all ...

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Originally posted by jayyy
Inferior society? Thats deeply, deeply racist. To say that is just lying. A society is not about skin color or dna. Societies are differentiated by their cultures... that is, by the way people live -- their habits, belief systems and actions. Artificially injecting race ...

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Originally posted by nepenthe
Might I suggest you reread your chauvinistic posts. It is painfully obvious that you have made little consideration as to sentiments of the Palestinians or the rest of the Middle East for that matter. There is a reason why they are attacking, torsten. You may twist ...

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Originally posted by jayyy
Don't really know what to say about that, other than it makes me sad and sick. Israel has slaughtered an uncountable number of palestinians. Far more than palestine has israelis. They've never been offered a reasonable offer of peace. Why do you say "they've never been ...

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Originally posted by nepenthe
By native perspective, I meant for you to consider life in the shoes of a Palestinian rather than a student in a Florida college (or a bald headed dentist :) ). Accuse them of barbarism, then remember the massacres commited by Americans and Europeans. Weapons from ...

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Originally posted by downhill
What I don't understand is..........
How can anyone be sure, it's in the shape of a womans mouth?

Yep, a mouth is pretty much a mouth.
Once again, the loud few who cried offense have changed it for the rest of us. They always seem to get their way.

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Originally posted by Prey521
GH, you're wasting your time in this thread defending Israel, I'll support them, but not on SG anymore, it's pointless here. Unfortunately it can seem that way with the number of people pushing a certain view, but I hope you don't give up on it. You seem to have a ...

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Originally posted by nepenthe
Naive? If you believe that the sentiment is irrational then perhaps you should reexamine the history of the greater region utilizing a native perspective. Lieberman had suggested a Marshall like plan for the whole of the Middle East to quell resentments and create ...

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I think it's naive to believe that appeasing the Palestinians will create a peaceful situation. The anti-Israeli sentiment in the Middleast is irrational. The people who advocate not aggressively fighting terrorists don't seem to appreciate what the end game of that strategy is. It's like being in a ...

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No it won't teach immediate tolerence but it may be one of many little things that sets a tone.... a start on the road to accepting the reality that people are who they are -- as opposed to their existence being something so shameful it's cleansed from approved reading lists. At first it always ...

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That is their plan. Unfortunately, it'll probably happen before some people take it seriously enough. :(

I heard a recent poll that found 2/3 of Pakistanis look upon bin Laden favorably. Would people like that not bear any responsibility in an eventual nuclear disaster? At what point does support ...

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Originally posted by nepenthe
The nature of homosexuality is not the issue. If this is a question of morality, then it should reflect in the explicitness of the material. Is the tale Bert and Ernie, Queer Eye or Gay porn. Is this argument even comparable to Timmy and Lassie....

With all due ...

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It's probably true that people are more honest online. I don't necessarily agree with all the above reasoning though. It depends on the situation. If you're talking about chat, forums, or IM, people feel more free to be themselves. In face-to-face life there are a lot of penalties for telling the ...

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Originally posted by The_Lurker
the reality is that there is a agenda at work here, being pushed by these so called Uber "hollyweird" elitist, (who think they know better) that is contrary to the general publics ideas and beliefs. The "agenda" is being pushed by people like you. You're trying to ...

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Originally posted by Brandon_k_W
The real question is: Why does a children's book about gay Princes have to be published? If the book were about a straight prince would you be asking the same question?
No book HAS to be published. People write books for various reasons. People buy/check out books ...

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Originally posted by UOD
I feel a smarter choice is to limit the powers granted to the government (federal) rather than to define a set of limitations imposed upon society at large. I'm a huge fan of local choice and support states rights as well. I think many problems are localized and need ...

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UOD,

What kind of limits do you have in mind? Legal ones?

Beyond limits for direct harm, I think thoroughly educating people about odds and consequences is the only realistic answer. That goes for drugs, driving, skydiving or anything that can be potentially dangerous. Of course even with that ...

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Originally posted by UOD
Well then I think you should acknowledge that fact when you post instead of ONLY presenting your viewpoint. The problem here is this: you support sexual freedom but with what limitations? There are limits to everything bro. So where are your limits as it relates to sex ...

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Originally posted by UOD
I gotta admit....while I know you are exaggerating to make your point...I agree with you. You made your point perfcectly. Your post shows what the other side doesn't want to expose...that there are in fact dangers to their line of thinking if taken to extremes. What line ...

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I watched most of the UNC / Air Force game.

Seems if you wear dark blue and reach for the ball it's a foul, but if you wear light blue and reach for it, it's not......

On offense, if you're under the goal with the ball wearing light blue and elbow a defender, flattening him on the court, it's not ...

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Even I laughed at that one.

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"My child is not old enough to understand something like that, especially when it is not in our beliefs." Can you believe that statement? That just about sums up the mentality of people like that. I take it they hadn't been chaining her up in her room so she wouldn't have to see all the ...

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have a good one.

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UOD,
I don't disagree that Dean would be a good president in many ways. He's not an insider who's been shaped by the system. One of the most refreshing things about his campaign were his supposed mistakes. He'd often say what he thought rather than what was politically prudent. I got used to that ...

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Originally posted by UOD
I am just astonished by all of this. I just can not even put words to my thoughts.

Torsten....270 million Americans. As intelligent as you are, I cannot believe in my heart that you are endorsing ANOTHER career politician. 270 Million Americans and we can't find 1...just ...

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Thcranky1,

I guess Bush didn't bring us out of a recession did he No he didn't. He dragged us into one by hiking up deficits. The "recovery" is still pretty jobless.

I guess he didn't do anything with the perscription drugs issue either. Oh.... did he advocate a single payer system? Silly me. I ...

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