Solutions to Overpopulation

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 10:33 am

Heres a good solution

Colonize the moon and build a big orbiting space station

yes, we have the technology now to do it

and then we can expand to mars, again, we got the technology to do it

just not the money

money is holding back our space progress

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 10:37 am

LMAO!!

I said it before, give immigrants/illegals a moratorium on becoming US citizens, if they do not comply, then they must go back on their own or suffer deportation. That sound fair? Sounds ridiculously hard to do though.

64bit · Post by **64bit** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 10:41 am

Who is gonna pick who lives where and countless other questions. Countries can't even agree on extradition and trade issues........When the planet reaches critical mass it will let everyone know. **** a meteor could crash into the ocean again and this could be all history fodder in no time flat. There will never be a fix but a solution is inevitable.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 10:43 am

Originally posted by 64bit
There will never be a fix but a solution is inevitable.

And that's the damn truth!

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 10:47 am

Originally posted by 64bit
Who is gonna pick who lives where and countless other questions. Countries can't even agree on extradition and trade issues........When the planet reaches critical mass it will let everyone know. **** a meteor could crash into the ocean again and this could be all history fodder in no time flat. There will never be a fix but a solution is inevitable.

nobody has to pick who's gonna live where, it will be free choice to live on the moon, or a space station, or mars or wherever you want, just like it is now

i just think we should colonize them, we got the technology

its just money holding progress back

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 10:49 am

Talk about yesterdays news....there are many engineers who've been working on this for quite some time...it will get here.

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 10:51 am

Nah, you got it all wrong. Take all new borns to the vet and have them spayed and neutered for the next 50 years. Problem solved!

Post by **Philip** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 11:19 am

Brent

Heres a good solution
Colonize the moon and build a big orbiting space station

It is too expensive to transport there... Maybe after they make an elevator to the International Space Station, one step at a time.

Why not colonize Antarctica and Greenland first ? Even in the US there are probably 80% of undeveloped land... Find an incentive for people to move away from the big cities, problem solved.

Prey521

give immigrants/illegals a moratorium on becoming US citizens, if they do not comply, then they must go back on their own or suffer deportation.

They do have to comply to many rules in order to get a citizenship and it is nearly impossible to get a green card in order to wait 5 years and get citizenship... And if during those 5 years they don't show "Good moral character" and that they can be financially independent, they are out as it is.

in2deep · Post by **in2deep** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 11:33 am

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give immigrants/illegals a moratorium on becoming US citizens, if they do not comply, then they must go back on their own or suffer deportation.
<<<

Simply denying residence in the US does not address the problem of global population, it just moves it.

Zilog B · Post by **Zilog B** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 11:46 am

As stated in the other thread most of the problem lies in the fact that in the poorest countries you have to have lots of kids to support you when you grow old. It is the exact opposite in the US, the less kids you have to support to more $$ you have. The question should be does the world have the resources to bring the 3rd world on par with the standard of living in the US right now. I think not.

in2deep · Post by **in2deep** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 12:08 pm

>>> the less kids you have to support to more $$ you have.

There is a problem with this.

As the population's general health and life expectancy grows longer, and birth rate remains low, the tendency is for an ever increasing number of high demand people, (healthcare costs etc.), in the population supported by a dwindling number of productive people.

This "pensions crisis" is already looming in several countries.

dreww71 · Post by **dreww71** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 12:17 pm

Originally posted by Brent
Heres a good solution

Colonize the moon and build a big orbiting space station

yes, we have the technology now to do it

and then we can expand to mars, again, we got the technology to do it

just not the money money is holding back our space progress

Sure the technology exists, but as the space shuttle accident shows, it sure ain't reliable!!

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 12:21 pm

Originally posted by dreww71
Sure the technology exists, but as the space shuttle accident shows, it sure ain't reliable!!

more progress in better shuttles would be a reality if money wasn't a concern

money is the whole reason the new type of shuttles were scraped, they had an awesome design for em, took off and landed like planes, but it only got into prototype testing when it was scrubbed

BaLa · Post by **BaLa** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 2:37 pm

teh other thread got deleted

Mutch · Post by **Mutch** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 8:36 pm

Why dont we all move to vulcan. Or romulan?

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 8:37 pm

"On a clear day, you can see Tycho City...even Lake Armstrong."

EvilAngel · Post by **EvilAngel** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 8:39 pm

Colonizing the moon is your solution? LMFAO!

Jamie_R · Post by **Jamie_R** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:10 pm

Originally posted by Mutch
Why dont we all move to vulcan. Or romulan?

Brent - you need to get laid ............

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:18 pm

I'm being serious

its not an end all be all solution, but its not a bad thing for sure, it would be neat

starting to populate moons and planets is a good way to spread out and give us more room, if we stick to this one planet we can just get all clogged up with to many people

i would like the option to live on the moon, or mars, or a space station

we got the technology, really

its the money

lance-tek · Post by **lance-tek** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:23 pm

I don't see that there is a solution to overpopulation. Regardless of what steps you take be it to colonize off-world or anything else.

I have heard that in China the govt taxes you less if you only have 2 or 3 children. The more you have the more you are taxed. It is a way to have farmers etc not reporduce so much. As far as sterilizing our children.....get real!!!! That is the most inhumane thing I have ever heard of. Why not just have a no tolerance law and first crime - last time, that is the same concept and equally as inhumane.

I feel that the problem will work itself out. But if not we need to know what is the problem first. To me one of the biggest problems is people whom are not stable enough to have children are doing it. Be it mentally physically, emotionally or financially. Many times they don't just have one, but numerous. Then the children are mis-treated or given up for adoption and grow up in an orphan home. The ones whom are not in an orphan home learn the same concepts of life from their parents that should not have had children and start having sex or what not at ages where they should still be unaware of such acts.

If we wanna talk about overpopulation talk about what is the cause first get that all out on the table.
Diagnose the cause
Find how to fix it
Communicate the info

-lance

Jamie_R · Post by **Jamie_R** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:24 pm

Originally posted by Brent
I'm being serious - I need to get laid ...

its not an end all be all solution, but its not a bad thing for sure, it would be neat

we got the technology, really

its the money

fixed

lance-tek · Post by **lance-tek** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:30 pm

Originally posted by Brent
I'm being serious

its not an end all be all solution, but its not a bad thing for sure, it would be neat

starting to populate moons and planets is a good way to spread out and give us more room, if we stick to this one planet we can just get all clogged up with to many people

i would like the option to live on the moon, or mars, or a space station

we got the technology, really

its the money

Ok what is it that we learned in 3rd grade? For humans as it stands this is the only planet in our solar system that we can naturally survive on. A large factor is temperature. If the earth were any closer to the sun we would be burnt to death. If it were any further then we would freeze to death.

Brent, it's kinda like SG1 they always find humans on planets that are atmospherically equal to earth. There is a reason for that. Our biology does not leave much room for deviation from what we already have. It takes a long time to adjust that is why you can't go to the cold parts of Alaska and wear clothing equal to that of the natives. Nor can they do the same here. They would be too damn hot and you would be too damn cold. In that you are talking about a few hunderd miles other planets puts you thousands of miles further from the sun which everything on earth depends on for survival.

Space station is a possiblility but would take adjustment and as cool as it would be for a vacation I would not like to be confined like that and have everything about my environment being superficial.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:35 pm

Originally posted by lance
Ok what is it that we learned in 3rd grade? For humans as it stands this is the only planet in our solar system that we can naturally survive on. A large factor is temperature. If the earth were any closer to the sun we would be burnt to death. If it were any further then we would freeze to death.

Brent, it's kinda like SG1 they always find humans on planets that are atmospherically equal to earth. There is a reason for that. Our biology does not leave much room for deviation from what we already have. It takes a long time to adjust that is why you can't go to the cold parts of Alaska and wear clothing equal to that of the natives. Nor can they do the same here. They would be too damn hot and you would be too damn cold. In that you are talking about a few hunderd miles other planets puts you thousands of miles further from the sun which everything on earth depends on for survival.

Space station is a possiblility but would take adjustment and as cool as it would be for a vacation I would not like to be confined like that and have everything about my environment being superficial.

well obviously the moon and mars aren't habitabal, neither is space

they would have to build structures on the moon in which to live, also on mars, it is also possible we could terraform mars, and as for living in a superficial environment, just cause you don't like it doesn't mean it won't bother other people, there are a lot of people in this world, and i bet more then a few of them wouldn't mind living in these conditions, all i want is the choice, we have the technology to expand 'out there' but the money is holding us back

lance-tek · Post by **lance-tek** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:41 pm

of course money is holding us back. Your in college right? Why not just quit college and buy your dream home and car and never think about work. For me, because money is holding me back. I don't have the money. Noone will invest the money into my dreams and aspirations because they do not see that they will really make any mentionable profit off of me and if I screw up or something then they loose money and with their money goes status and power.

Now, if you get some rich @$$ to pay for it all and then charge rent then we are in business. Noone will do it for humanity, they only do things for personal gain.

Just like all of the SG members here whom don't fold. I mean that takes no personal effort aside from the 2 minutes or less to set it up and yet they don't do it. Society is all about the individual not the others. Start a club or a company get investors and then we can talk about colonization.

Jstyr · Post by **Jstyr** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:44 pm

The sad thing is that the more educated a society becomes the lower their birthrate goes. It's the poor and ignorant that reproduce like wildfire. Hence the reason why for every intelligent person you meet you come across about 20 others with cranial-rectal inversions.

I think populating the moon would be great. It is a dead planet but maybe it has ores or something of value. More probable would be mining asteroids for ore. Our species needs a new frontier to explore.

lance-tek · Post by **lance-tek** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:46 pm

Space, the final frontier.....................................

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