Upgrade questions

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Tue Jul 30, 2002 10:29 am

I have a amd-k7 should i upgrade it?? IF so to what? I was thinking about buying a new motherboard and a pentium 4 2.2 ghz what should i do should i upgrade to a pentium or upgrade to a better amd?

SICMF · Post by **SICMF** » Tue Jul 30, 2002 10:35 am

Yep, but in here i'm probally the only one that will say that. Lot of AMD fans. Do some research and the better shall appear. Can't OC but then again you don't have OC a P4

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Tue Jul 30, 2002 10:38 am

The answer on wether to upgrade or not is up to you and your budget, and your computing needs.

Many of us hardcore gaming enthusiasts ///have/// to have the latest and greatest every year, or more. But others who just have basic computing needs, word processing, light gaming, internet, etc....there is no need to upgrade.

If your system cannot do, or does it poorly, whatever you do, and if you have the budget, then yes, I'd say upgrade.

Or does it do it "OK", but you'd like just a bit more...perhaps just stuffing more RAM in there will perk up your system. Or if you're into gaming, but not the latest, most system intensive games, then just upgrading your old video card may be enough.

As to the AMD XP vs the latest P4's, pretty close performance wise, again, up to your budget. If you upgrade CPU, then you'll need a new mobo, and most likely need new RAM also, and a new HSF, and most likely a new power supply...so there's 4/5 things that will be mandatory to upgrade if you select that path.

SICMF · Post by **SICMF** » Tue Jul 30, 2002 10:43 am

Originally posted by YeOldeStonecat
The answer on wether to upgrade or not is up to you and your budget, and your computing needs.

Many of us hardcore gaming enthusiasts ///have/// to have the latest and greatest every year, or more. But others who just have basic computing needs, word processing, light gaming, internet, etc....there is no need to upgrade.

If your system cannot do, or does it poorly, whatever you do, and if you have the budget, then yes, I'd say upgrade.

Or does it do it "OK", but you'd like just a bit more...perhaps just stuffing more RAM in there will perk up your system. Or if you're into gaming, but not the latest, most system intensive games, then just upgrading your old video card may be enough.

As to the AMD XP vs the latest P4's, pretty close performance wise, again, up to your budget. If you upgrade CPU, then you'll need a new mobo, and most likely need new RAM also, and a new HSF, and most likely a new power supply...so there's 4/5 things that will be mandatory to upgrade if you select that path.

Well Put!

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Tue Jul 30, 2002 7:26 pm

thanks yeh i just put in a all in wonder radeon 8500 yeh im gonna upgrade cause my computer freezes all the time and doesnt have good performance and im getting into gaming and im into trading movies and stuff and im rebuilding my computer and i am gonna most likely upgrade but i dont know what to i like the new p4s and i dont know much about them but i just wanted to know should i spend all that money to put in a p4 is it worth it? is it a great cpu? or should i just upgrade to a better amd?

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Tue Jul 30, 2002 7:26 pm

I need to get a better motherboard anyways so im gonna get another motherboard no matter what happens

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Wed Jul 31, 2002 8:53 am

Originally posted by Chillinhh
i like the new p4s and i dont know much about them but i just wanted to know should i spend all that money to put in a p4 is it worth it? is it a great cpu? or should i just upgrade to a better amd?

Yeah the later P4's (northwoods) are great, and their price has come down a lot. Cool running, lots of overclocking potential, and great chipsets to support it. Best bang for the buck chipset in my opinion is the 845-E (DDR based RAM, so affordable). The 850 is RDRAM (RIMM RAM...LOL)...so expensive to stuff RAM in there.

If I were to build a rig today, I'd choose the Asus P4B533 i845-E

http://www.gamepc.com/shop/product.asp? ... S%5FP4B533

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Wed Jul 31, 2002 8:53 am

Originally posted by Chillinhh
i like the new p4s and i dont know much about them but i just wanted to know should i spend all that money to put in a p4 is it worth it? is it a great cpu? or should i just upgrade to a better amd?

Yeah the later P4's (northwoods) are great, and their price has come down a lot. Cool running, lots of overclocking potential, and great chipsets to support it. Best bang for the buck chipset in my opinion is the 845-E (DDR based RAM, so affordable). The 850 is RDRAM (RIMM RAM...LOL)...so expensive to stuff RAM in there.

If I were to build a rig today, I'd choose the Asus P4B533 i845-E

http://www.gamepc.com/shop/product.asp? ... S%5FP4B533

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Wed Jul 31, 2002 8:53 am

Originally posted by Chillinhh
i like the new p4s and i dont know much about them but i just wanted to know should i spend all that money to put in a p4 is it worth it? is it a great cpu? or should i just upgrade to a better amd?

Yeah the later P4's (northwoods) are great, and their price has come down a lot. Cool running, lots of overclocking potential, and great chipsets to support it. Best bang for the buck chipset in my opinion is the 845-E (DDR based RAM, so affordable). The 850 is RDRAM (RIMM RAM...LOL)...so expensive to stuff RAM in there.

If I were to build a rig today, I'd choose the Asus P4B533 i845-E

http://www.gamepc.com/shop/product.asp? ... S%5FP4B533

Docsta · Post by **Docsta** » Wed Jul 31, 2002 11:29 am

good call yeolde

amd is a very stable processor...theyre not expensive at all...go with a P4 if you got some money to blow though

--Docsta :2cool:

Mantle67 · Post by **Mantle67** » Wed Jul 31, 2002 12:37 pm

very well put above, i like amds better, mainly for gaming purposes, but if u have the money go for a p4, id get it with ddr though not rdram.

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Sat Aug 03, 2002 1:29 pm

Im probley gonna get a p4

aagiants · Post by **aagiants** » Sat Aug 03, 2002 4:22 pm

Originally posted by Chillinhh
Im probley gonna get a p4

get a 1.6a or a 1.8a. For the price you cant go wrong since they OC to 2.2/2.4 very very veyr easily. I have my 1.6a at 2.2 at default voltage, stock cooling.. I just bumped the FSB to 133 then thats it

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Sat Aug 03, 2002 5:01 pm

Is it better to have an amd for gaming?

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Sun Aug 04, 2002 3:03 pm

Have any of yall overclocked a p4 2.0?

loop2kil · Post by **loop2kil** » Sun Aug 04, 2002 4:27 pm

I would go with a 1.8a. it costs about $170 and will run stable at 2.4 ghz with no extra cooling needs or special knowledge of overclocking. Dont get sucked into the high cost of the p4b's that come default with the 533 fsb. the 400 fsb p4a's will o/c to those speeds and well beyond for a fraction of the cost.

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Mon Aug 05, 2002 8:37 pm

sweet man!! I think ill get that. I think ill get an ABIT IT7 MAX Intel 845E chipset ATX motherboard. Is that a good motherboard. What would u recommend?

SICMF · Post by **SICMF** » Mon Aug 05, 2002 9:02 pm

Originally posted by Chillinhh
sweet man!! I think ill get that. I think ill get an ABIT IT7 MAX Intel 845E chipset ATX motherboard. Is that a good motherboard. What would u recommend?

For sure that is a sweet board. I'm going to pick the same one up. Very nice.

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Mon Aug 05, 2002 9:28 pm

is that all im gonna need. Im changing from a amd. Im getting a new case and i new mobo and proccesser what else do i need for a p4?

SICMF · Post by **SICMF** » Mon Aug 05, 2002 9:33 pm

Ram , Do you have DDR ram?

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Mon Aug 05, 2002 11:22 pm

I dont know.

SICMF · Post by **SICMF** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 12:18 am

Is it 184 pin or 168 pin? Does it have 1 split in the pins at the bottom, or does it have 2. If it has one its DDR.

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 1:08 am

well if i overclock most likely ill frie my proccessor or motherboard or both. I think i might go the amd xp 1900+ route with a ABIT KG7 AMD761 ATX MOTHERBOARD. And not overclock or unlock it. Anyone out there have a amd xp 1900 if so how do you like it?

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 3:45 pm

Im not going to go out and buy something and frie it then replace it i cant hang with all you big shots that go out buy something run it like H*** then go out and buy another one then run it all the way. I dont think im gonna overclock.

SICMF · Post by **SICMF** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 3:58 pm

Originally posted by Chillinhh
Im not going to go out and buy something and frie it then replace it i cant hang with all you big shots that go out buy something run it like H*** then go out and buy another one then run it all the way. I dont think im gonna overclock.

No need to on a P4

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 5:07 pm

And i would buy a p4 and just not overclock it but there too high $.

SICMF · Post by **SICMF** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 5:12 pm

Originally posted by Chillinhh
And i would buy a p4 and just not overclock it but there too high $.

Intel Pentium4 1.8A GHz 512K Socket 478 Processor 400MHz Processor Bus Retail = 166 Shipped

Intel Pentium 4 2.0AGHz 512K Socket 478 Processor 400MHz Processor Bus = 194 shipped

Then are both with 512 cache. http://www.newegg.com

And as for a Mobo ASUS P4S533 Motherboard for Intel P4 478 DDR Retail = 116 shipped

Total= 282.00 or 311.00

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 5:18 pm

"Does it have 1 split in the pins at the bottom"? what do u mean do u mean at the very bottom of the ram stick if you are holding it vertically?

SICMF · Post by **SICMF** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 5:23 pm

Originally posted by Chillinhh
"Does it have 1 split in the pins at the bottom"? what do u mean do u mean at the very bottom of the ram stick if you are holding it vertically?

At the bottom where you would put it into the mobo.
Does it like

Or like this

The top pic is DDRam and the bottom is SDRam

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 5:55 pm

Ok then i have sdram

SICMF · Post by **SICMF** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 5:57 pm

Originally posted by Chillinhh
Ok then i have sdram

Well for a upgrade your gonna need DDR . Almost all newer mobo's worth a sh*t are DDR. It is much better though.

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 6:07 pm

I wish newegg had in the abit kg7

when im bout to buy it they go out of stock.

SICMF · Post by **SICMF** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 6:14 pm

Originally posted by Chillinhh
I wish newegg had in the abit kg7 when im bout to buy it they go out of stock.

It only supports up to 1.33mhz though. they have it at http://www.pcparts.com for 69.00 but i won't suggest that.

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 6:30 pm

what would you suggest for a amd xp 1900

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 6:32 pm

Because thats what i think im gonna buy.

SICMF · Post by **SICMF** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 6:38 pm

Asus A7N266 with AMD Athlon XP 2000+ (1.67Ghz) 266FSB CPU & Fan = 265.00
This nice and it comes with the Athlon 2000+
http://www.partspc.com

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 6:38 pm

the mobo at that site you gave me that was 69 dollars is not the one im talkin about. this is the one http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&catalog=22&manufactory=1283&DEPA=1 and its the very last one at the bottom.

SICMF · Post by **SICMF** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 6:42 pm

I don't really think those AMD chipsets are that good.

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 6:43 pm

why not Have you had a bad experience with them?

SICMF · Post by **SICMF** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 6:46 pm

No, i've read alot and they don't take full advantage of what the ram can do. And ram can make a huge difference in how your system performs.