Church of Scientology forces google to remove links to anti-church sites.

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Sat Mar 23, 2002 9:24 pm

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,51233,00.html

The Church of Scientology has managed to yank references to anti-Scientology websites from the Google search engine.

Citing the controversial Digital Millennium Copyright Act, Scientology lawyers are claiming that Google may no longer include anti-Scientology sites that allegedly infringe upon the church's intellectual property.

How clever~!

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Sat Mar 23, 2002 9:38 pm

Originally posted by UOD
So I guess I have to alter my own webpage then????

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/est6661/index.html

SCREW THEM!!!!

Copyright Infringer!

They could sue Speedguide if they ever searched the forum database, at least according to this article and the DMCA.

Indy · Post by **Indy** » Sat Mar 23, 2002 9:48 pm

So, is it a religion, or a business? If it's a business, I can understand the copyright issues, but if it's a religion...how do you copyright a religion?

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Sat Mar 23, 2002 9:57 pm

Originally posted by UOD

straight from the horses mouth..

http://www.whatisscientology.org/

It's a copy protected religion...WTF????

Well, they are tight with Hollywood and the RIAA. Maybe they have their own fine print in the Holling's bill?

Immortal · Post by **Immortal** » Sat Mar 23, 2002 10:01 pm

money talks..

Randy · Post by **Randy** » Sat Mar 23, 2002 10:14 pm

jesus christ is now taking legal action against me for useing his name in vein?

no sandals allowed in court?

poptom · Post by **poptom** » Sat Mar 23, 2002 10:16 pm

It's a business.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Sat Mar 23, 2002 10:20 pm

I copyrighted the capital letter "S".....

pay me.

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Sat Mar 23, 2002 10:27 pm

Well, at least scientologists aren't molesting young boys, so I guess they are even with the Catholics(?)

*zips up flame suit*

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Sat Mar 23, 2002 10:30 pm

No. Because then all the naughty networks reporting on the naughty priests would be sued for copyright infringement, silly.

On a side note, am I the only one here that thinks the reigning Pope looks like an enbalmed corpse in a wheelchair, propped up with sticks?

ExarKun · Post by **ExarKun** » Sat Mar 23, 2002 10:33 pm

Lucky me I Live in the capital of Scientology Clearwater Florida

There building a new hotel downtown and damn building is bigger than the friking White House

Hell you can't get near that place without seeing an armed guard

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Sat Mar 23, 2002 11:17 pm

Time magazine ran a rather heavy handed article on the organization several years ago.

I do not know what to say of a religion developed by a science fiction writer. Hey, if the followers get something out of it, great.

I am certain TonyT will have something to say.

shant,
david

TonyT · Post by **TonyT** » Sat Mar 23, 2002 11:44 pm

I'm a Scientologist, have been since 1972.

No armed guards at the Fort Harrison Hotel. There may be a private security firm hired to look after the construction site. More and more big construction sites hire private security firms to guard teh premesis from druggies who wish to steal equipment & tools or job materials. Clearwater in no different than others cities, criminals & druggies there too. The organisation there has a security team, but they are not armed. They monitor the buildings and properties, parking garage and ensure that criminals do not break in and rob parishoners, just as does the Holiday Inn have a security team. It's a religious retreat and no distractions and/or turmoil is desired.

As for the copyright stuff......certain church materials are copyrighted and or trademarked. The materials are unique to Scientology only. The scriptures (study materials) are unaltered from their originals. This isto ensure that as time passes that the words do not get altered or incorrectly reproduced, thus changing the workability of what is written.

So a church has copyrighted materials. So what! That does not make it a business. Anybody can have a copyright. All one need do is write something and publish it. It is automatically copyrighted. http://www.loc.gov/copyright/circs/circ1.html#hsc

Scientology is an applied religious philosophy, meaning that one uses what one has studied about and applies it to ones life and to the lives of others. It is not a business. We have been given full religious recognition by the IRS. There is not nor will there be any DoJ investigation.

In fact, a few of our groups are very active with, and work with the FBI and DoJ directly in solving investigations and in exposing criminal and fraud groups. Read about that at http://www.cchr.org
Scientology was directly responsible for the exposure and break up of the French Connection in the early '70's. And the Nazi criminals that were a part of Interpol running the heroin trade at the time. They have all been exposed and busted for their war crimes, except a few that are dying in Brazil.

I have met many people over the years that claimed to know all about Scientology and the one common thing I have seen is that these folks who "knew all about it" never really bothered to find out anything about it other than what has been reported by the media and vested interest groups. Find out about it for yourself. make your own decisions about things.

The reason those sites are being stopped at Google is because they are publishing confidential, copyrighted stolen church materials. Keywords: stolen and publishing.

FYI, I will not engage in any argument or further discussion re this. Just pointing out some untruths and misconceptions. If you want to know about Scientology then go to the website and read for yourself and learn about it for yourself. If you see something that is true for you, that you could use in your life then use it. Otherwise, ignore it or put it in the recycle bin. All religions have some truths in them that we can benefit from.

This post is copyrighted and any reproduction of said post, in full or in part, is strictly prohibited. As a matter of fact, all of the posts at SG are copyrighted and the sole property of SG, including the PM's!

cybotron r_9 · Post by **cybotron r_9** » Sat Mar 23, 2002 11:51 pm

Religion is a business silly. ANY RELIGION. It's all about the money u fool. Until u peeps wake up to the fact I'll just sit back and laugh my Arse off. No difference between The Pope and Miss Cleo if u ask me. ROTFLMAO

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Sun Mar 24, 2002 12:40 pm

Temptation to comment held back. Those who are Scientologists consider it their faith. We should respect that.

shant,
david

EvilAngel · Post by **EvilAngel** » Sun Mar 24, 2002 1:24 pm

Originally posted by Deus ex Machina
Temptation to comment held back. Those who are Scientologists consider it their faith. We should respect that.

shant,
david

I learn from everything you say Deus ex Machina....

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Sun Mar 24, 2002 1:52 pm

Isaac Asimov wrote in his first autobiograohy, The Early Asimov, that Hubbard said at a meeting of science fiction authors something to the effect of, "None of us are going to make a lot of money writing stories for one or two or even four cents a word. The way to make a million dollars is to start your own religion." Soon thereafter, he did.

That is all "I" am going to say.

Paft · Post by **Paft** » Sun Mar 24, 2002 1:58 pm

Originally posted by TonyT
Scientology is an applied religious philosophy, meaning that one uses what one has studied about and applies it to ones life and to the lives of others.

This scares me Tony... you're going to try to force something for your religion upon me? I'm sorry, but I don't think you'll be forcing /anything/ on me.. *holds up text to first amendment*.

Aside from that, if it's what you want to do, then all the more power to you!

Edit: You cannot technically claim copyright on a religous text, by law. If that is what you have done, then there /will/ be a DoJ case made against you. That, and you can't state that anti-you sites are illegal.. 'freedom of expression and press'

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Sun Mar 24, 2002 2:26 pm

Perhaps the copyright people treated the Scientologist Bible as a science fiction novel. *snicker*

cybotron r_9 · Post by **cybotron r_9** » Sun Mar 24, 2002 3:01 pm

ahahahaha people actuallly arguing about religion. who is to say what is and what is not a religion? What is it that the Scientologists are doing that is different from any other religion? Hmmmm can't remember the last time a Scientologist came knocking on my door begging for money nor do I see them on the Tele begging for money.

//dial this toll free number and I will pray for your sins ... oh and by the way when your done think about sending a check\\

Originally posted by TonyT
Scientology is an applied religious philosophy, meaning that one uses what one has studied about and applies it to ones life and to the lives of others. ----------------------------------

This scares me Tony... you're going to try to force something for your religion upon me? I'm sorry, but I don't think you'll be forcing /anything/ on me.. *holds up text to first amendment*.

where in the world do u see anything about forcing Scientology upon u.

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Sun Mar 24, 2002 3:40 pm

"Hubbard's secret scriptures teach that 75 million years ago, an evil galactic overlord named Xenu solved the galaxy's overpopulation problem by freezing excess people and transporting the bodies to Teegeeack, now called Earth. After the hapless travelers were defrosted, they were chained to volcanoes that were blown up by hydrogen bombs -- and their disembodied spirits continue to haunt mankind today."

C'mon people. This is good chit.

PRAISE XENU!!!!!

Ohhhhhhhm, ohhhhhhhhhm, ohhhhhhhhhm!!!

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sun Mar 24, 2002 3:49 pm

I copyright emptiness.

so now everythign that is empty is mine.

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Sun Mar 24, 2002 3:53 pm

This post has substance, in the loosest meaning of the word. Therefore I am above you suing me.

On a side note, have you made peace with the Neptunian God Soopursokar?

You had better recant your dry ways, heathen.

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:02 pm

http://www.clambake.org/archive/so/index.html

L. Ron Hubbard had his own navy???

cybotron r_9 · Post by **cybotron r_9** » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:15 pm

Originally posted by Macho-Module
"Hubbard's secret scriptures teach that 75 million years ago, an evil galactic overlord named Xenu solved the galaxy's overpopulation problem by freezing excess people and transporting the bodies to Teegeeack, now called Earth. After the hapless travelers were defrosted, they were chained to volcanoes that were blown up by hydrogen bombs -- and their disembodied spirits continue to haunt mankind today."

C'mon people. This is good chit.

PRAISE XENU!!!!!

Ohhhhhhhm, ohhhhhhhhhm, ohhhhhhhhhm!!!

that's almost as funny as some guy walking on water
or some guy loading 2 of everything onto a wooden boat

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Sun Mar 24, 2002 6:03 pm

Originally posted by cybotron r_9

that's almost as funny as some guy walking on water
or some guy loading 2 of everything onto a wooden boat

I never said I believed in that either.

TonyT · Post by **TonyT** » Sun Mar 24, 2002 6:19 pm

Isaac Asimov wrote in his first autobiograohy, The Early Asimov, that Hubbard said at a meeting of science fiction authors something to the effect of, "None of us are going to make a lot of money writing stories for one or two or even four cents a word. The way to make a million dollars is to start your own religion." Soon thereafter, he did.

That's a misquote, George Orwell said that about "starting your own religion", not Hubbard.

Scientology is an applied religious philosophy, meaning that one uses what one has studied about and applies it to ones life and to the lives of others.

No one is forcing anything. Here's an example of the above statement: A basic tenet of Scientology is that communication is the key to understanding. Thus, when I do not understand something I know that more communication is required such as two-way communication between 2 people or by one-way communication as in reading. If I am talking w/ someone and they do not understand what I am saying then I know that continued communication will bring about understanding. Thus, if an argument ensues, the solution is to continue to communicate and eventually arrive at some level of understanding, rather than throw up my arms in disgust and upset. I teach my children this as well. I also apply this with my dealings with people. The result? I do not have enemies and I have many dear friends.

Edit: You cannot technically claim copyright on a religous text, by law. If that is what you have done, then there /will/ be a DoJ case made against you. That, and you can't state that anti-you sites are illegal.. 'freedom of expression and press'

Any literary work can be copyrighted. http://www.loc.gov/copyright/circs/circ1.html#wwp All the copyrighted works in question owned by the Religious Technology Center are original literary publications written by Hubbard. It is illegal to reproduce ANYONE's copyrighted materials in part or in full without permission. Anti-Scientology websites are not illegal. They are free to voice their opinions just like anyone here is free to voice his or her opinion about anything. However, they may not, per the law, publish any copyrighted works. It is just as illegal for anyone here to put up a website that duplicates/mirrors SG without permission of the owners.

The media also may not publish copyrighted works without permission. Most papers and mags have a staff of legal aids and attorneys that must be consulted prior to publishing certain materials. For instance, it may be legal to publish a quote from an author's book, but illegal to reproduce an entire page or chapter without the author's/owner's permission.

If a website reproduced a Steven King novel, and altered it's context to suit the theme and intent of the website, and that intent was to degrade the novel or author, then that website would be breaking the law. The law exists to protect the copyright owners and to ensure that creativity remains original, among other reasons. It does not matter if the copyright owner is connected to a religion or to a business. One characteristic of those without creative abilities is to state such nonsense as "nobody ever creates anything original anymore, it's all been done or said already". Tell that to an artist, a musician or a writer! Many teachings in Scientology are based on some older religions and philosophies. And it picked up where these others left off. This is acknowledged in many of Hubbard's books and lectures by him.

As for the stuff at the xenu site: Realize that what is posted there is altered and printed out of context. I have been in Scientology since 1972 and I have never come across such nonsense in any texts, coursepacks, taped lectures or anywhere else. The ploy of any supermarket rag is to print stuff that seems utterly unbelievable so as to grab one's attention. xenu should work for the natl enquirer!

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Sun Mar 24, 2002 6:26 pm

MM
I met Isaac Asimov at a Science Fiction convention in Philadelphia. He was quite the curmudgeon, but friendly in his own odd way. He signed a couple of books which I gave to my stepfather.

L. Ron Hubbard created a philosophy that many folk are comfortable following. Like any good religion it has its fantastic tales, some of it for fancy, some of it a moral. I may not agree with the ways of the church, but then again I am not making this world any better with my teachings..... save the brushing after meals part.

shant,
david

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Sun Mar 24, 2002 6:29 pm

Originally posted by Deus ex Machina
MM
I met Isaac Asimov at a Science Fiction convention in Philadelphia. He was quite the curmudgeon, but friendly in his own odd way. He signed a couple of books which I gave to my stepfather.

L. Ron Hubbard created a philosophy that many folk are comfortable following. Like any good religion it has its fantastic tales, some of it for fancy, some of it a moral. I may not agree with the ways of the church, but then again I am not making this world any better with my teachings..... save the brushing after meals part.

shant,
david

You should start the Dentalarian religion. Your followers could walk around with long white molar shaped uniforms and praise the One God, Toof.

"And we were plucked from the rank gums of oblivion by His magnificence, like a decaying canine from the maw of sugar eating doom. And so the Earth was born!"

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Sun Mar 24, 2002 6:30 pm

The Mormon have some novel tales of the supernatural hierarchy.

As interesting a read as the Masons.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Sun Mar 24, 2002 6:32 pm

Originally posted by Macho-Module

You should start the Dentalarian religion. Your followers could walk around with long white molar shaped uniforms and praise the One God, Toof.

"And we were plucked from the rank gums of oblivion by His magnificence, like a decaying canine from the maw of sugar eating doom. And so the Earth was born!"

You need to floss, everyday. -Timmy the Tooth epi 2:23

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Sun Mar 24, 2002 6:32 pm

Originally posted by Deus ex Machina
The Mormon have some novel tales of the supernatural hierarchy.

As interesting a read as the Masons.

At least the Mormons keep their space opera scripture confined to Mars.

The Masons are actually very interesting as opposed to just being rediculous.

You need to floss, everyday. -Timmy the Tooth epi 2:23

Hail Colgate!

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Sun Mar 24, 2002 6:40 pm

Originally posted by Macho-Module

At least the Mormons keep their space opera scripture confined to Mars.

The Masons are actually very interesting as opposed to just being ridiculous.

Hail Colgate!

And both faithes have avid followers who are for the most part decent and vaguely stable citizens. MM, we do what makes us comfortable. Call religion a crutch or a set of ground rules with silly tales, it has helped many people who have turned to it in earnest.

Yea, after the lovemaking had ended. The dental lord rinsed and spat.

cybotron r_9 · Post by **cybotron r_9** » Sun Mar 24, 2002 6:45 pm

Originally posted by Macho-Module

I never said I believed in that either.

I never for a second thought u did

it's so funny how people like to pick on Scientology yet they believe there own religion is so sacred. That's what is so f@#ed up about this world.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Sun Mar 24, 2002 6:49 pm

Originally posted by cybotron r_9

I never for a second thought u did

it's so funny how people like to pick on Scientology yet they believe there own religion is so sacred. That's what is so f@#ed up about this world.

Heaven for fend..... Opposing religions taunting one another... I will be damned.

shant,
david

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Sun Mar 24, 2002 6:52 pm

Yeah, that's pretty much standard religious behavior. That is one of the qualities of religion that contributes to the crap that is happening in the middle east, although greed and xenophobia are playing bigger parts in that conflict these days.

Meh. And another day goes by that someone hates someone else for what they believe.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Sun Mar 24, 2002 7:01 pm

Originally posted by Macho-Module
Yeah, that's pretty much standard religious behavior. That is one of the qualities of religion that contributes to the crap that is happening in the middle east, although greed and xenophobia are playing bigger parts in that conflict these days.

Meh. And another day goes by that someone hates someone else for what they believe.

Religion, race, ethnicity or nationality are but the "teams". The game is for the "prize", land. money or power. Mommy always told me to play nice and share....

shant,
david

TonyT · Post by **TonyT** » Sun Mar 24, 2002 7:11 pm

Mommy always told me to play nice and share....

And right she was too!

But.....I believe Lenin also said the same thing. And looked what happenedd over there.

Gimme back that tooth, it's MINE!

cybotron r_9 · Post by **cybotron r_9** » Sun Mar 24, 2002 7:15 pm

Originally posted by Macho-Module
Yeah, that's pretty much standard religious behavior. That is one of the qualities of religion that contributes to the crap that is happening in the middle east, although greed and xenophobia are playing bigger parts in that conflict these days.

Meh. And another day goes by that someone hates someone else for what they believe.

exactly what i was thinkin

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Sun Mar 24, 2002 7:16 pm

Gimme back that tooth, it's MINE!

Your tooth has been deemed a Holy relic. It is being held in underground Dentalarian complex Oral-B.