Cops taze 16yr old 12 times while he's having a seizure

He lived...."like wasp stings".

If they didn't have a taser...lets see..choice of a gun (12x shots..me MIGHT not have lived)...or a baton/pr-24...which..well, he'd probably have plaster on some parts of his body holding bones together.

Overzealous cop...but again...police are people. You'll have your mixture of personalities...just like anywhere. There are bound to be idiots or those who can't handle situations and make bad calls...it will happen. I say..be lucky there are tools such as tasers which are non lethal.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue May 20, 2008 7:58 am

YeOldeStonecat wrote:

He lived...."like wasp stings".

If they didn't have a taser...lets see..choice of a gun (12x shots..me MIGHT not have lived)...or a baton/pr-24...which..well, he'd probably have plaster on some parts of his body holding bones together.

Overzealous cop...but again...police are people. You'll have your mixture of personalities...just like anywhere. There are bound to be idiots or those who can't handle situations and make bad calls...it will happen. I say..be lucky there are tools such as tasers which are non lethal.

Good grief. You're actually suggesting he be thankful he was tazed? Wow.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Tue May 20, 2008 8:42 am

Izzo wrote:Good grief. You're actually suggesting he be thankful he was tazed? Wow.

Nope...the point, not surprisingly, is zooming over your head.

I'm saying it's good that there are alternative "non lethal" tools that law enforcement have at their disposal.

Years ago, before these non lethal tools were available...mistakes happened..with much worse consequences. Without todays "stick their nose in everything" media to overhype things, and todays lawsuit crazed society which turns to sue someone for sneezing on a fellow person or dropping a paperclip on someones toe...mistakes happened..and back then...mistakes had higher costs.

Luckily today you're more likely to live from such a mistake.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue May 20, 2008 8:47 am

I thought when a person starts having seizures that you're suppose to hold them down and make sure they dont bite their tongue? How does tazering help?

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue May 20, 2008 8:52 am

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Nope...the point, not surprisingly, is zooming over your head.

I'm saying it's good that there are alternative "non lethal" tools that law enforcement have at their disposal.

Years ago, before these non lethal tools were available...mistakes happened..with much worse consequences. Without todays "stick their nose in everything" media to overhype things, and todays lawsuit crazed society which turns to sue someone for sneezing on a fellow person or dropping a paperclip on someones toe...mistakes happened..and back then...mistakes had higher costs.

Luckily today you're more likely to live from such a mistake.

Just wow.

edit > Sorry, I have to laugh at that ^^

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue May 20, 2008 8:53 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:I thought when a person starts having seizures that you're suppose to hold them down and make sure they dont bite their tongue? How does tazering help?

It's explained in the story. In a nutshell.....he's not that type of epileptic.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Tue May 20, 2008 9:00 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:I thought when a person starts having seizures that you're suppose to hold them down and make sure they dont bite their tongue? How does tazering help?

Tink he was joking. But yeah...you should do what you can to help make sure they don't hurt themselves..depending on how drastic the seizure is. It's not easy...holding someone down if they're going through a big seizure..and they're a big person. Some can thrash about quite a bit. Not easy sticking a towel or some cloth in their mouth...nobody wants to get their fingers near that. Not much else you can do except get a tall glass of water to rinse out the bloody mouth...and if they have a history of seizures...they'll travel with something like anbesol to treat their tongue with afterwards.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue May 20, 2008 9:00 am

Izzo wrote:It's explained in the story. In a nutshell.....he's not that type of epileptic.

My bad, I get them mixed up but still using the taser in that pain shocking way does nothing to help or control the situation.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue May 20, 2008 9:03 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:My bad, I get them mixed up but still using the taser in that pain shocking way does nothing to help or control the situation.

The kid was floppin' around ....EMT tried to restrain him and one of them got hit in the face while this kid is seizing ...naturally the next thing to do is taze him ......12 effing times.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Tue May 20, 2008 9:05 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:My bad, I get them mixed up but still using the taser in that pain shocking way does nothing to help or control the situation.

Not being able to witness the entire event or see a video of it from start to finish..my hunch is..the police officer came into the situation...not knowing what was going on. The story states that the kid was fighting hard to keep from being tied to the stretcher..and swung and (and hit) the paramedics). A cop runs into this scene...sees a kid swinging at paramedics...you can see how he drew his own conclusion quickly (right or wrong).

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue May 20, 2008 9:09 am

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Not being able to witness the entire event or see a video of it from start to finish..my hunch is..the police officer came into the situation...not knowing what was going on. The story states that the kid was fighting hard to keep from being tied to the stretcher..and swung and (and hit) the paramedics). A cop runs into this scene...sees a kid swinging at paramedics...you can see how he drew his own conclusion quickly (right or wrong).

Except for the fact his bro was right there trying to explain but was told to get out of the way so those 'trained professionals' could 'handle' the situation. So....no... that's not what happened.

edit> I swear ....most of you guys never read anything anymore.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue May 20, 2008 9:11 am

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Not being able to witness the entire event or see a video of it from start to finish..my hunch is..the police officer came into the situation...not knowing what was going on. The story states that the kid was fighting hard to keep from being tied to the stretcher..and swung and (and hit) the paramedics). A cop runs into this scene...sees a kid swinging at paramedics...you can see how he drew his own conclusion quickly (right or wrong).

All while the brother was right there telling them he was having seizures, the paramedics should have listened and maybe then been able to have the cops use the taser with the cartridge to help subdue him and get him restrained.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Tue May 20, 2008 9:21 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:All while the brother was right there telling them he was having seizures, the paramedics should have listened

I don't know how many people can be sure of what exactly happened when it all went down. Was the kid being clear when he claimed he told the paramedics his brother was epileptic? Did the kid even actually state that? Or did his parents tell him to tell the media this story..after the fact..to line up a juicy law suit? Or was the kid just screaming obscenities at the paramedics? Were these kids in trouble with the law before..did the office already recognize him/them from prior incidents?

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue May 20, 2008 9:26 am

YeOldeStonecat wrote:I don't know how many people can be sure of what exactly happened when it all went down. Was the kid being clear when he claimed he told the paramedics his brother was epileptic? Did the kid even actually state that? Or did his parents tell him to tell the media this story..after the fact..to line up a juicy law suit? Or was the kid just screaming obscenities at the paramedics? Were these kids in trouble with the law before..did the office already recognize him/them from prior incidents?

A conspiracy to file suit, eh?

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Tue May 20, 2008 9:29 am

Izzo wrote:A conspiracy to file suit, eh?

Yeah..because frivolous lawsuits are NEVER seen or heard of. They never happen..nope...

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue May 20, 2008 9:35 am

YeOldeStonecat wrote:I don't know how many people can be sure of what exactly happened when it all went down. Was the kid being clear when he claimed he told the paramedics his brother was epileptic? Did the kid even actually state that? Or did his parents tell him to tell the media this story..after the fact..to line up a juicy law suit? Or was the kid just screaming obscenities at the paramedics? Were these kids in trouble with the law before..did the office already recognize him/them from prior incidents?

Well, you've already made an assumption based on the info, yet if thsoe details aren't all clear how can you be sure the officers were in the right then?

No lawsuit has been filed so far , doesn't sound like the family is trying to make a quick buck and run.

Seems like the department is trying to keep this quiet and has no explanation for the discrepancy of the other 10 sets of burn marks.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue May 20, 2008 9:38 am

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Yeah..because frivolous lawsuits are NEVER seen or heard of. They never happen..nope...

I've not seen you completely ignore the facts of a story more than this one.....It's a shame. So, the journalist and the family are in cahoots to get money out of the city despite the fact it's been almost a year since the incident and no suit has been filed.....is that about right, Mr Conspiracy Theorist?

I mean with all those damn people standing around it's easy to see how none of them could actually see what happened.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Tue May 20, 2008 9:53 am

Izzo wrote: I mean with all those damn people standing around it's easy to see how none of them could actually see what happened.

Yeah each one's story is dead on. A paramedic says the officer only fired twice...yet someone examined the tazer afterwards and found it had been fired 15 or 16 times within a 5-6 minute period that very day?

And we all know..hmmm...lemme rephrase that...some of us know..the media can put a twist on things..for the sake of sensationalism.

It's nothing to do with "conspiracy theorist"...some people just manage to wake up and smell the coffee after a number of years. There's the dreamy "ideal world"...and there's "real life..what really happens..like it or not". I chose the latter after growing up past my 20's.

One of the many things I learned in life..."people are people"..no matter what job field or environment one looks at..there's always a small percentage of people who just shouldn't be doing what they do..but yet...it happens..and it will happen. I got in trouble enough times when I was a kid...yet...I'm not ignorant enough to blanket all law enforcement as bad guys. The world can't be perfect...it's technically...literally..humanly..not possible. And that doesn't scare me..it doesn't cause me to hide under my blankets biting my fingernails pretending to be Captain Perfect from behind the anonymity of my keyboard. Things happen in life...life isn't always perfect..but it's not a reason for me not to keep trying to live it and enjoy it.

Now..it's a bummer for this to happen to this kid..but hopefully, for his sake, he'll choose to not play the victim for the rest of his life...hopefully he can stand up..wipe the dust off of his pants..and move forward in life again. I mean, really, yeah the barbs hurt for a while after he came to...but in reality...since he has had seizures in his past..he's already done through much worse. He's already endured pain...bruises from having seizures...probably chomped on his lip, tongue, cheeks before..quite possibly biting through. He's probably dealt with the huge embarrassment of soiling his pants during a seizure in front of people he knows..even in class..yes...people can urinate and soil themselves during a seizure). So hopefully..the kid is strong enough...to not play the victim for the rest of his life.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue May 20, 2008 10:01 am

YeOldeStonecat wrote:yet someone examined the tazer afterwards and found it had been fired 15 or 16 times within a 5-6 minute period that very day?

They examined the kid and he had 12 sets of taser marks on him.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue May 20, 2008 10:16 am

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Yeah each one's story is dead on. A paramedic says the officer only fired twice...yet someone examined the tazer afterwards and found it had been fired 15 or 16 times within a 5-6 minute period that very day?

And we all know..hmmm...lemme rephrase that...some of us know..the media can put a twist on things..for the sake of sensationalism.

It's nothing to do with "conspiracy theorist"...some people just manage to wake up and smell the coffee after a number of years. There's the dreamy "ideal world"...and there's "real life..what really happens..like it or not". I chose the latter after growing up past my 20's.

One of the many things I learned in life..."people are people"..no matter what job field or environment one looks at..there's always a small percentage of people who just shouldn't be doing what they do..but yet...it happens..and it will happen. I got in trouble enough times when I was a kid...yet...I'm not ignorant enough to blanket all law enforcement as bad guys. The world can't be perfect...it's technically...literally..humanly..not possible. And that doesn't scare me..it doesn't cause me to hide under my blankets biting my fingernails pretending to be Captain Perfect from behind the anonymity of my keyboard. Things happen in life...life isn't always perfect..but it's not a reason for me not to keep trying to live it and enjoy it.

Now..it's a bummer for this to happen to this kid..but hopefully, for his sake, he'll choose to not play the victim for the rest of his life...hopefully he can stand up..wipe the dust off of his pants..and move forward in life again. I mean, really, yeah the barbs hurt for a while after he came to...but in reality...since he has had seizures in his past..he's already done through much worse. He's already endured pain...bruises from having seizures...probably chomped on his lip, tongue, cheeks before..quite possibly biting through. He's probably dealt with the huge embarrassment of soiling his pants during a seizure in front of people he knows..even in class..yes...people can urinate and soil themselves during a seizure). So hopefully..the kid is strong enough...to not play the victim for the rest of his life.

Choose not to play the victim?....play? ...He is a victim.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Tue May 20, 2008 10:23 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:They examined the kid and he had 12 sets of taser marks on him.

Correct....I read that too. I'm guessing the officer missed a few times...assuming 15x shots...yet they counted 12 pair of marks...who knows. He may have actually hit the kid even less times...if the kid was having a seizure..and on the board...his potentially violent thrashing about could have caused the barbs to stick/unstick/restick/unstick/etc etc..into his skin many times.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue May 20, 2008 10:27 am

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Correct....I read that too. I'm guessing the officer missed a few times...assuming 15x shots...yet they counted 12 pair of marks...who knows. He may have actually hit the kid even less times...if the kid was having a seizure..and on the board...his potentially violent thrashing about could have caused the barbs to stick/unstick/restick/unstick/etc etc..into his skin many times.

but it wouldn't have caused the 12 sets of burns...

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Tue May 20, 2008 10:31 am

Izzo wrote:Choose not to play the victim?....play? ...He is a victim.

*sigh*..I'll try to keep things basic in the future.

It's a commonly used term....describing potentially how a person deals with a wrong done upon them. Relating to the long term behavior after the incident...how they move on with their life. It doesn't mean "imitate" or "pretend" or "fake" something happened to them.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Tue May 20, 2008 10:35 am

Izzo wrote:but it wouldn't have caused the 12 sets of burns...

Depending on the model of stun gun...the last stats I knew about them..some models would maintain the discharge for up to 5 to 6 seconds. So...in that case..over the period of time, "yes it could". In 5-6 seconds..the kid could have thrashed against the board at least as many times...while having a seizure. Actually in 5-6 seconds...a person having a seizure could thrash against the floor easily 10 times or more.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Tue May 20, 2008 10:39 am

Looks to me it was one of those milliwatt jobs....they sting yes and leave a burn mark but hardly anything like those that shot the wires out of them with the constant shock.. Hell I shocked myself a few times with a friends the other night... its nothing. After reading how he views the situation its clear he's only after money..for that I'd shock him a few more times just for the hell of it.

But I'm going with Stone cat here... so please carry on!

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue May 20, 2008 10:42 am

YeOldeStonecat wrote:*sigh*..I'll try to keep things basic in the future.

It's a commonly used term....describing potentially how a person deals with a wrong done upon them. Relating to the long term behavior after the incident...how they move on with their life. It doesn't mean "imitate" or "pretend" or "fake" something happened to them.

*sigh* *ugh* *pshaww*

I understand what it means, sir. Hopefully the pussification of their local PD won't continue or they may just call out the National Guard for the next guy with Tourrette's or Parkinson's they run into.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue May 20, 2008 10:43 am

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Depending on the model of stun gun...the last stats I knew about them..some models would maintain the discharge for up to 5 to 6 seconds. So...in that case..over the period of time, "yes it could". In 5-6 seconds..the kid could have thrashed against the board at least as many times...while having a seizure. Actually in 5-6 seconds...a person having a seizure could thrash against the floor easily 10 times or more.

Nah, he was shot 12 times.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue May 20, 2008 10:44 am

Sava700 wrote:Looks to me it was one of those milliwatt jobs....they sting yes and leave a burn mark but hardly anything like those that shot the wires out of them with the constant shock...

Ya but using teh cartridge would have allowed the paramedics to get him fully restrained instead of just shocking him to try and subdue a "druggie"

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Tue May 20, 2008 10:53 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:Ya but using teh cartridge would have allowed the paramedics to get him fully restrained instead of just shocking him to try and subdue a "druggie"

but the point I made was the shocks were nothing...may as well touched him with a hot lighter.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Tue May 20, 2008 10:55 am

Izzo wrote: despite the fact it's been almost a year since the incident and no suit has been filed.....

Because they're working on "out of court settlement"...if you read the story further. You see...sometimes things get settled financially before having to go to before a court and judge.

"Deana Dwyer sought the advice of Denton lawyer Rocky Haire, who said he has been trying to work with Corinth police for an out-of-court resolution with no luck so far."

“There’s not a lot of money to be made by suing a city,” Haire said. “The law is designed to make it not worth it. But we're not just going to quit on this.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue May 20, 2008 10:56 am

Sava700 wrote:but the point I made was the shocks were nothing...may as well touched him with a hot lighter.

The shocks are more than nothing, if they were nothing they wouldnt be used by police and they wouldn't leave marks.