U.S. Calls Muhammad Drawings 'Offensive'
By QASSIM ABDEL-ZAHRA, Associated Press Writer
25 minutes ago
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Tens of thousands of angry Muslims marched through Palestinian cities, burning the Danish flag and calling for vengeance Friday against European countries where caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad were published. In Washington, the State Department criticized the drawings, calling them "offensive to the beliefs of Muslims."
While recognizing the importance of freedom of the press and expression, State Department press officer Janelle Hironimus said these rights must be coupled with press responsibility.
"Inciting religious or ethnic hatred in this manner is not acceptable," Hironimus said. "We call for tolerance and respect for all communities and for their religious beliefs and practices."
Angry protests against the drawings spread in the Muslim world.
In Iraq, thousands demonstrated after mosque services, and the country's leading Shiite cleric denounced the drawings. About 4,500 people rallied in Basra and hundreds at a Baghdad mosque. Danish flags were burned at both demonstrations.
Muslims in Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia and Malaysia demonstrated against the European nations whose papers published them.
The caricatures, including one depicting the Muslim prophet wearing a turban fashioned into a bomb, were reprinted in papers in Norwegian, French, German and even Jordanian after first appearing in a Danish paper in September. The drawings were republished after Muslims decried the images as insulting to their prophet. Dutch-language newspapers in Belgium and two Italian right-wing papers reprinted the drawings Friday.
Islamic law, based on clerics' interpretation of the Quran and the sayings of the prophet, forbids depiction's of the Prophet Muhammad and other major religious figures — even positive ones — to prevent idolatry. Shiite Muslim clerics differ in that they allow images of their greatest saint, Ali, the prophet's son-in-law, though not Muhammad.
Danish Prime Minister Fogh Rasmussen, in a meeting with the Egyptian ambassador, reiterated his stance that the government cannot interfere with issues concerning the press. On Monday, he said his government could not apologize on behalf of a newspaper, but that he personally "never would have depicted Muhammad, Jesus or any other religious character in a way that could offend other people."
Early Friday, Palestinian militants threw a bomb at a French cultural center in Gaza City, and many Palestinians began boycotting European goods, especially those from Denmark.
"Whoever defames our prophet should be executed," said Ismail Hassan, 37, a tailor who marched through the pouring rain along with hundreds of others in the West Bank city of Ramallah.
"Bin Laden our beloved, Denmark must be blown up," protesters in Ramallah chanted.
In mosques throughout Palestinian cities, clerics condemned the cartoons. An imam at the Omari Mosque in Gaza City told 9,000 worshippers that those behind the drawings should have their heads cut off.
"If they want a war of religions, we are ready," Hassan Sharaf, an imam in Nablus, said in his sermon.
About 10,000 demonstrators, including gunmen from the Islamic militant group Hamas firing in the air, marched through Gaza City to the Palestinian legislature, where they climbed on the roof, waving green Hamas banners.
"We are ready to redeem you with our souls and our blood our beloved prophet," they chanted. "Down, Down Denmark."
Thousands of protesters in the center of Nablus burned at least 10 Danish flags. In Jenin, about 1,500 people demonstrated, burning Danish dairy products. Hundreds protested in Jericho, and protests were held in towns throughout Gaza.
Fearing an outbreak of violence, Israel barred all Palestinians under age 45 from praying at Jerusalem's Al Aqsa Mosque compound, Islam's third holiest site.
Nevertheless, about 100 men chanting Islamic slogans and carrying a green Hamas flag demonstrated outside Jerusalem's Old City on Friday afternoon. The crowd scattered when police on horseback arrived, and some of the protesters threw rocks. Police broke up a second demonstration at Damascus Gate with tear gas and stun grenades.
In Iraq, the country's top Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, decried the drawings but did not call for protests.
"We strongly denounce and condemn this horrific action," he said in a statement posted on his Web site and dated Tuesday.
Al-Sistani, who wields enormous influence over Iraq's majority Shiites, made no call for protests and suggested that militant Muslims were partly to blame for distorting Islam's image.
He referred to "misguided and oppressive" segments of the Muslim community and said their actions "projected a distorted and dark image of the faith of justice, love and brotherhood."
"Enemies have exploited this ... to spread their poison and revive their old hatreds with new methods and mechanisms," he said.
The drawings were first published in September in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten. The issue reignited last week after Saudi Arabia recalled its ambassador to Denmark and many European newspapers reprinted them this week.
The Jyllands-Posten had asked 40 cartoonists to draw images of the prophet. The purpose, its chief editor said, was "to examine whether people would succumb to self-censorship, as we have seen in other cases when it comes to Muslim issues."
The 12 caricatures have prompted boycotts of Danish goods, bomb threats and demonstrations in front of Danish embassies across the Islamic world. Muslims have also directed their anger at other European countries, with Palestinian gunmen briefly kidnapping a German citizen Thursday and surrounding European Union headquarters in Gaza.
Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan was quoted as saying the caricatures are an attack on "our spiritual values" which have damaged efforts to establish an alliance between the Muslim world and Europe.
Hundreds of Turks emerging from mosques following Friday prayers staged demonstrations, including one in front of the Danish consulate in Istanbul.
"Hands that reach Islam must be broken," chanted a group of extremists outside the Merkez Mosque in Istanbul.
In Jakarta, Indonesia, more than 150 hardline Muslims stormed a high-rise building housing the Danish Embassy on Friday and tore down and burned the country's flag.
Pakistan's parliament unanimously voted to condemn the drawings as a "vicious, outrageous and provocative campaign" that has "hurt the faith and feelings of Muslims all over the world." About 800 people protested in Pakistan's capital, Islamabad, chanting "Death to Denmark" and "Death to France." Another rally in the southern city of Karachi drew 1,200 people.
Fundamentalist Muslims protested outside the Danish Embassy in Malaysia, chanting "Long live Islam, destroy our enemies."
British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw criticized European media outlets for republishing the caricatures as demonstrators prepared to take to the streets of London.
Damn, people going crazy over a cartoon. Im just glad it wasnt us this time.
Damn, people going crazy over a cartoon. Im just glad it wasnt us this time.
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the smallest thing sets them off... i mean if they made a comic of jesus with a bomb on his head, people would get mad, but i doubt u would see this kinda of crazyness.Brent wrote:those muslims are crazy people
They remind me of the lady in ur AV. Nuts.
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brembo wrote:"This is a stick-up...I have an armadillo in my pants"
In all fairness...Christians go around murdering abortionists and picketing/protesting abortion clinics, if a movie or show comes out that depicts gays in it they will protest. If someone were to make a caricature of Jesus I'm sure all kinds of whack jobs would come out of the woodwork making threats of all kinds. If someone puts a toon of Jesus here people freak out.Prey521 wrote:Yeah, we'll strap women and children with bombs to blow up other women and children, but don't you dare make drawings of our God
In their religion it is forbidden for any images of Mohamet to be made or shown, much less caricaturized. They are no more crazier then any other religious fanatic thats out there.
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To say "those muslims are crazy people" is like saying "every pit bull is a killer"
Inams can and should lead in this instance...
As reported in the article: "In Iraq, the country's top Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, decried the drawings but did not call for protests.
'We strongly denounce and condemn this horrific action,' he said in a statement posted on his Web site and dated Tuesday.
Al-Sistani, who wields enormous influence over Iraq's majority Shiites, made no call for protests and suggested that militant Muslims were partly to blame for distorting Islam's image.
He referred to 'misguided and oppressive' segments of the Muslim community and said their actions 'projected a distorted and dark image of the faith of justice, love and brotherhood.'
'Enemies have exploited this ... to spread their poison and revive their old hatreds with new methods and mechanisms,' he said. "
Islam in its truest form is submission, peace, and salvation. For us to judge all muslims based on the actions of a few would be like them to judge all Americans based on the actions of street gangs or racist organizations like the KKK. Would a monolithic judgement like that be appropriate or justified?
Will
Inams can and should lead in this instance...
As reported in the article: "In Iraq, the country's top Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, decried the drawings but did not call for protests.
'We strongly denounce and condemn this horrific action,' he said in a statement posted on his Web site and dated Tuesday.
Al-Sistani, who wields enormous influence over Iraq's majority Shiites, made no call for protests and suggested that militant Muslims were partly to blame for distorting Islam's image.
He referred to 'misguided and oppressive' segments of the Muslim community and said their actions 'projected a distorted and dark image of the faith of justice, love and brotherhood.'
'Enemies have exploited this ... to spread their poison and revive their old hatreds with new methods and mechanisms,' he said. "
Islam in its truest form is submission, peace, and salvation. For us to judge all muslims based on the actions of a few would be like them to judge all Americans based on the actions of street gangs or racist organizations like the KKK. Would a monolithic judgement like that be appropriate or justified?
Will
thepieman wrote:In all fairness...Christians go around murdering abortionists and picketing/protesting abortion clinics, if a movie or show comes out that depicts gays in it they will protest. If someone were to make a caricature of Jesus I'm sure all kinds of whack jobs would come out of the woodwork making threats of all kinds. If someone puts a toon of Jesus here people freak out.
In their religion it is forbidden for any images of Mohamet to be made or shown, much less caricaturized. They are no more crazier then any other religious fanatic thats out there.
Yes, I can see how that justifies wanting a whole country blown up...
Big difference between a Christian radical protesting a clinic, or killing an abortion doctor, than taking out an entire city block with a bomb by some loony extremist muslim.thepieman wrote:In all fairness...Christians go around murdering abortionists and picketing/protesting abortion clinics, if a movie or show comes out that depicts gays in it they will protest. If someone were to make a caricature of Jesus I'm sure all kinds of whack jobs would come out of the woodwork making threats of all kinds. If someone puts a toon of Jesus here people freak out.
In their religion it is forbidden for any images of Mohamet to be made or shown, much less caricaturized. They are no more crazier then any other religious fanatic thats out there.
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willfillmore wrote:To say "those muslims are crazy people" is like saying "every pit bull is a killer"
Islam in its truest form is submission, peace, and salvation. For us to judge all muslims based on the actions of a few would be like them to judge all Americans based on the actions of street gangs or racist organizations like the KKK. Would a monolithic judgement like that be appropriate or justified?
Will
You are talking about a guy who sneezes and ****s his pants at the same time and then posts a thread about it...just ignore it. I was going to say something about it, but it doesn't pay believe me. To wallow in ignorance for some is the epitomy of bliss.
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ahahaha Why is that? Because its your religion thats being discussed now? Theres no difference between the murder of 1 or 3000 in the name of religion my friend. Murder is murder. In Jesus's name or Allahs name makes no difference.Prey521 wrote:Big difference between a Christian radical protesting a clinic, or killing an abortion doctor, than taking out an entire city block with a bomb by some loony extremist muslim.
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Yes, killing 1 person, and killing 3000 people is the same exact thing, I am sorry. /sarcasmthepieman wrote:ahahaha Why is that? Because its your religion thats being discussed now? Theres no difference between the murder of 1 or 3000 in the name of religion my friend. Murder is murder. In Jesus's name or Allahs name makes no difference.
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No no no I am the one thats sorry...you are right 100%! Killing 3000 is much different. How silly of me..killing 1 is much more acceptable /more sarcasmPrey521 wrote:Yes, killing 1 person, and killing 3000 people is the same exact thing, I am sorry. /sarcasm
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"Yes, killing 1 person, and killing 3000 people is the same exact thing, I am sorry. "
Yes, and they both bear the same penalty as hatred, self-righteousness, and name-calling.
Battles of Brotherhood
He stood on the mount and saw us as sand,
Whether eyes were averted or fast affixed.
He cared so deeply that we all understand;
We need not to get the metaphors mixed.
The history of brotherhood was already written,
But there was so much more to bear.
History repeats if our hearts won’t be smitten!
Wasn’t this His main reason to share?
Murder brings judgement as we already know -
Beloved Abel was slain by Cain.
Contemptuous anger has the same seed to sew.
And Ishmael and Isaac have felt the pain.
And to judge one’s worth as less than another
May bring you before His council.
As Israel tricked his blind aging father,
Esau’s people have hence sought to fulfill.
But more important is that you not break the rules!
Despite the foolish act of Israel’s tribal fathers,
That Joseph not call his own brothers fools,
Not risking hell fire for himself or any others.
You see, Moses needed Aaron to give the light
As brothers they could speak as one –
To make understood their people’s plight
And make way for the lawgiving to be done.
So beyond loving the Father with all mind and heart,
Also as ourselves we must completely love one another.
So that even when we have been set far apart,
Love your enemy for he is truly your brother.
inspired by Matthew 5:21-22;43-48
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Yes, and they both bear the same penalty as hatred, self-righteousness, and name-calling.
Battles of Brotherhood
He stood on the mount and saw us as sand,
Whether eyes were averted or fast affixed.
He cared so deeply that we all understand;
We need not to get the metaphors mixed.
The history of brotherhood was already written,
But there was so much more to bear.
History repeats if our hearts won’t be smitten!
Wasn’t this His main reason to share?
Murder brings judgement as we already know -
Beloved Abel was slain by Cain.
Contemptuous anger has the same seed to sew.
And Ishmael and Isaac have felt the pain.
And to judge one’s worth as less than another
May bring you before His council.
As Israel tricked his blind aging father,
Esau’s people have hence sought to fulfill.
But more important is that you not break the rules!
Despite the foolish act of Israel’s tribal fathers,
That Joseph not call his own brothers fools,
Not risking hell fire for himself or any others.
You see, Moses needed Aaron to give the light
As brothers they could speak as one –
To make understood their people’s plight
And make way for the lawgiving to be done.
So beyond loving the Father with all mind and heart,
Also as ourselves we must completely love one another.
So that even when we have been set far apart,
Love your enemy for he is truly your brother.
inspired by Matthew 5:21-22;43-48
W
Fanatics are Fanatics. Their methods may vary but none should be tolerated. Killing 1 person is wrong, Killing 3000 is wrong, Killing everyone who isn't a part of your faith is wrong. Doesn't matter who you pray too. You don't need to bitch and complain about degrees of evil, evil is evil.
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"On the street everything is legal! I don't believe in an eye for an eye, I believe in 2 eyes for an eye." -- Bas Rutten
"On the street everything is legal! I don't believe in an eye for an eye, I believe in 2 eyes for an eye." -- Bas Rutten
I woud never say its justified. I was comparing fanatic to fanatic. All the same to me. All nuts.Ken wrote:Yes, I can see how that justifies wanting a whole country blown up...
Not one of them are going to be saved or salvaged when it all comes down to it. If there is a God or there is an Allah, the whole lot of them will be judged accordingly.
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You too?? 2 People ****ting their pants when they sneeze is too much for this forum to handle!Ken wrote:How did you know...Have you been following me around...again?
You know I luv ya Pie!
Well at least you had the courtesy not to post a message about it.Aww I love you too!
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thepieman wrote:You too?? 2 People chiting their pants when they sneeze is too much for this forum to handle!
Aww I love you too!
Pie
Well, ...coughing can trigger it as well, if that counts... as can laughing hard, or merely letting my guard down for a second... I don't even bother having my undies cleaned, I just buy new ones weekly...
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and what about you, will you be judged?thepieman wrote:I woud never say its justified. I was comparing fanatic to fanatic. All the same to me. All nuts.
Not one of them are going to be saved or salvaged when it all comes down to it. If there is a God or there is an Allah, the whole lot of them will be judged accordingly.
Its not something I worry about.Brent wrote:and what about you, will you be judged?
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...or blowing up a city building in OK - knowing full well that a daycare would be taken out too...Prey521 wrote:Big difference between a Christian radical protesting a clinic, or killing an abortion doctor, than taking out an entire city block with a bomb by some loony extremist muslim.
...or sending soldiers to reclaim the holy land from the evil moslems...
Completely different
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anything is possible - nothing is free
Blisster wrote:It *would* be brokeback bay if I in fact went and hung out with Skye and co (did I mention he is teh hotness?)